Distribution of the blame - who is at fault?

[Dazzle]

In summary, everyone, minus Ian Clark.

 

Let's start with Aquilini ownership:

 

- accused of being meddling - but it's their team.

- problem is that they hired the wrong people, in hindsight. Benning is undeniably a problem, but not nearly as big of a problem as the other ones.

- not making the right decisions when they needed to. (Extending Green, not firing Green when they could've done it.)

- insisting on his mistakes without an apparent plan to fix it.

- not adding enough support for his GMs, via assistant GMs. Team President role is obviously very demanding and not all people can thrive in that.

 

Benning

 

- there is no other way around this, but he is a mistake. Perhaps he's a victim of Aquilini and how he deals with this team.

- Benning did a good job this offseason, but the team is so unbelievably toxic, and he's been at the controls, from start to finish. Wasn't able to find the source of the problem. Player Name, Roussel, Beagle weren't the problems, clearly. Neither was Newell Brown.

- spent a lot of money on 'established' players. Contrary to how Gillis did it, he spent little on his supplementary players (but had a core gifted by previous GMs)

- pro scouting - minus Garland, Miller - has been suspect. No concept of team chemistry.

- Keeping Green. This is a coach that has been mediocre from start to finish. Minus the bubble, Green is comparable to Willie Desjardins.

- Perhaps trusting Green too much. Green hasn't proven to be a good manager of players, so his input on the roster shouldn't be considered.

- poor communication of ideas to the public. Making big promises without the ability to follow through.

 

Green

- mediocre coach at best. No record to show that he is capable beyond 50 percent, despite huge roster overhaul, and multiple chances to lift team up.

- poor coaching tactics. No matching up game (unlike AV), and no adaptation. We are still playing like we had the same team in the bubble. Insistence on using bag skates as an evaluation tool. Playing favourites, without any accountability.

- poor assistant coaches - Baumgartner is a nice guy, but shouldn't be coaching at the NHL level. Jason King is extremely unproven.

 

Everyone should be cleaned house, except Aquilini since he's the owner. Maybe this is a huge wakeup call that the way Aqua runs his team is garbage.

 

Green is not a good coach. Stop the excuses. Shouldn't even be in the NHL, tbh.

 

Benning is not a good GM, even if he has a track record as a scout. The fact that Aquilini is dragging his feet on both these issues demonstrates that he is unable to make the moves that he needed to.

 

Finally the fans, the people who complain about Aquilini. A bunch of fans say he meddles too much, while others say he doesn't help the team when it needs leadership. The coach obviously is not good, so fire him early. Instead, this toxicity is allowed to build up.

 

Solutions

 

- trade Horvat at the trade deadline. He is due for a contract and there is no sense in keeping him. Time for a new era. Horvat doesn't stand up for his teammates

- trade Miller - 29 and UFA coming up. A first round pick was used to obtain him, so we can get someone/picks decent back. Miller is a good leader.

- if leadership is a question mark, this will spark a reset

 

These two trades alone will benefit the Canucks long term, in addition to a high draft pick.

 

Replacements

- need to get a proven leader in the room, someone with a lot of experience. Age shouldn't be a factor. I don't think we have this in the room, except Miller

- Bruce Boudreau for exciting season success, or Guy Boucher for painful, but stable defense. Not Green, not WD, not this AHL calibre staff.

[Dazzle]

I forgot to mention in the above, not pulling the trigger when it needed to be done

 

- holding assets for too long (tanev, Markstrom, etc).

 

This is on Benning as much as it is on Aquilini.

A team doesn't get better by being static. A team should learn to sell high when there is an opportunity. Selling Horvat and Miller now will definitely benefit the Canucks.

 

And for the love of God, get rid of Green. Hire someone with a lot of hockey experience.

[CanuckinEdm]

whoever is the special teams coaches now PP and PK they are to blame 5 on 5 we are middle of the pack. 

[BCNate]

Green is 100% to blame.  

 

Our roster is fine.  Our deployment is ass backward. Our forwards who are actually competing get less than 15 mins per night, while EP and BB float around, not doing $hit for 20+ mins per night.

 

Our PP an PK are combined -14 in 17 games.  We are essentially spotting the other team 1 goal per game with our special teams.  That is historically bad.  But, have you seen any changes?? 

 

This dump and chase style does not work.  We struggle to get the puck , then when we do, we dump it in from the blue line to give it back.  Rinse and repeat 20x's a game. 

 

Some may disagree with the above, cool.  Here is something that I don't think can be argued.....Green may or not be the problem, but he is absolutely not the solution.

 

This will be unpopular, but Mike Babcock is the perfect coach for this team.  His systems were second to none.  His treatment of players can be questioned, but I trust that he will have learned for past mistakes.  His resume is worthy of a second chance.

 

 

 

 

[Devron]

1 minute ago, CanuckinEdm said:

whoever is the special teams coaches now PP and PK they are to blame 5 on 5 we are middle of the pack. 

It really does boil down to special teams. Even if we were just average we’d be right there 

[khay]

24 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

In summary, everyone, minus Ian Clark.

 

Let's start with Aquilini ownership:

 

- accused of being meddling - but it's their team.

- problem is that they hired the wrong people, in hindsight. Benning is undeniably a problem, but not nearly as big of a problem as the other ones.

- not making the right decisions when they needed to. (Extending Green, not firing Green when they could've done it.)

- insisting on his mistakes without an apparent plan to fix it.

- not adding enough support for his GMs, via assistant GMs. Team President role is obviously very demanding and not all people can thrive in that.

 

Benning

 

- there is no other way around this, but he is a mistake. Perhaps he's a victim of Aquilini and how he deals with this team.

- Benning did a good job this offseason, but the team is so unbelievably toxic, and he's been at the controls, from start to finish. Wasn't able to find the source of the problem. Player Name, Roussel, Beagle weren't the problems, clearly. Neither was Newell Brown.

- spent a lot of money on 'established' players. Contrary to how Gillis did it, he spent little on his supplementary players (but had a core gifted by previous GMs)

- pro scouting - minus Garland, Miller - has been suspect. No concept of team chemistry.

- Keeping Green. This is a coach that has been mediocre from start to finish. Minus the bubble, Green is comparable to Willie Desjardins.

- Perhaps trusting Green too much. Green hasn't proven to be a good manager of players, so his input on the roster shouldn't be considered.

- poor communication of ideas to the public. Making big promises without the ability to follow through.

 

Green

- mediocre coach at best. No record to show that he is capable beyond 50 percent, despite huge roster overhaul, and multiple chances to lift team up.

- poor coaching tactics. No matching up game (unlike AV), and no adaptation. We are still playing like we had the same team in the bubble. Insistence on using bag skates as an evaluation tool. Playing favourites, without any accountability.

- poor assistant coaches - Baumgartner is a nice guy, but shouldn't be coaching at the NHL level. Jason King is extremely unproven.

 

Everyone should be cleaned house, except Aquilini since he's the owner. Maybe this is a huge wakeup call that the way Aqua runs his team is garbage.

 

Green is not a good coach. Stop the excuses. Shouldn't even be in the NHL, tbh.

 

Benning is not a good GM, even if he has a track record as a scout. The fact that Aquilini is dragging his feet on both these issues demonstrates that he is unable to make the moves that he needed to.

 

Finally the fans, the people who complain about Aquilini. A bunch of fans say he meddles too much, while others say he doesn't help the team when it needs leadership. The coach obviously is not good, so fire him early. Instead, this toxicity is allowed to build up.

 

Solutions

 

- trade Horvat at the trade deadline. He is due for a contract and there is no sense in keeping him. Time for a new era. Horvat doesn't stand up for his teammates

- trade Miller - 29 and UFA coming up. A first round pick was used to obtain him, so we can get someone/picks decent back. Miller is a good leader.

- if leadership is a question mark, this will spark a reset

 

These two trades alone will benefit the Canucks long term, in addition to a high draft pick.

 

Replacements

- need to get a proven leader in the room, someone with a lot of experience. Age shouldn't be a factor. I don't think we have this in the room, except Miller

- Bruce Boudreau for exciting season success, or Guy Boucher for painful, but stable defense. Not Green, not WD, not this AHL calibre staff.

Solution 1:

 

1. Fire Benning. Hire a smart GM and give him the full authority to assess and make changes. Owner stays out.

2. New GM fires Green after finding out that he is a problem.

3. Then we look at trades to address needs.

 

Solution 2:

1. Fire Green. Shaw as interim coach.

2. Make trades to address needs.

3. Fire Benning near the end of the season if no playoffs.

 

 

[VegasCanuck]

You know where this all went wrong?

 

66 Million years ago, a giant space rock, came down and wiped out the DINOSAURS.

 

If they had still been here to eat the Monkeys, we never would have run Amok, and NONE OF THIS WOULD BE HAPPENING!

 

This planet has been a TOTAL Sh!t show, and going downhill, ever since.

 

 

 

[nuck1031]

This fiasco has the potential to become a reality TV series. You can each go and meet the Aquaweenies in the board room, pitch your plan of how to fix the canucks to them and if they like it, they will say "You are fired!" to the GM, and hire you as GM. You get to do your GM job until the next guy comes along and gets you fired. This will be gold so keep it up guys.

[VegasCanuck]

4 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

You know where this all went wrong?

 

66 Million years ago, a giant space rock, came down and wiped out the DINOSAURS.

 

If they had still been here to eat the Monkeys, we never would have run Amok, and NONE OF THIS WOULD BE HAPPENING!

 

This planet has been a TOTAL Sh!t show, and going downhill, ever since.

 

 

 

It should be noted, this is why I'm NOT a Vegetarian. There will be no Cow or Chicken Overlord on MY watch! I will continue to eat through them and keep them oppressed!

 

You're welcome, by the way!

Edited November 18, 2021 by VegasCanuck

[EmilyM]

Aquillini needs to do one thing and one thing only. Hire an experienced candidate for President of Hockey Ops.

Let the President manage the vision of the team, not you.

Let the President pick the GM to suit that vision, not you.

Just keep signing the cheques and let the President do what he's trained to do. 

[Zhukini]

Benning 100%

[Johnny Torts]

Ownership, for allowing Benning to allow Green to remain in the head coaching position. 

 

&^@#ing irritating. They are just waiting for the Canucks to win 2 straight and the heat to die down before eventually finishing dead last in the division and picking 9th OA.

 

 

[tas]

placing blame and pointing fingers is a pointless, counter-productive, toxic behaviour. it's a team. they win as a group and lose as a group. 

[Hairy Kneel]

Green 

And not getting toughness added to the line up. 

UFA menu was there he could have asked for toughness on D

Or forward but didn't ask. 

[combover]

1 Starts with owners for leaving an incompetent fool running the team 

 

2 then the incompetent fool of a gm for build a “ fun to play against” small ineffective team 

and resigning a failure of a coach.

 

3 a failure of a coach who proven he can’t coach at the nhl level 

 

4 players for lack of effort and preparedness 

 

5 fans for still spending on a team - see number 1 

 

[NUCKER67]

Owners 

[Dazzle]

37 minutes ago, tas said:

placing blame and pointing fingers is a pointless, counter-productive, toxic behaviour. it's a team. they win as a group and lose as a group. 

This is also a useless reaction. What are the solutions?

 

Canucks should just scrap the playoff dream this season. Sell high on Horvat and Miller.

[DSVII]

1 hour ago, nuck1031 said:

This fiasco has the potential to become a reality TV series. You can each go and meet the Aquaweenies in the board room, pitch your plan of how to fix the canucks to them and if they like it, they will say "You are fired!" to the GM, and hire you as GM. You get to do your GM job until the next guy comes along and gets you fired. This will be gold so keep it up guys.

They should sell this to Netflix  I'd binge every season. 

[Harold Drunken]

1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

I forgot to mention in the above, not pulling the trigger when it needed to be done

 

- holding assets for too long (tanev, Markstrom, etc).

 

This is on Benning as much as it is on Aquilini.

A team doesn't get better by being static. A team should learn to sell high when there is an opportunity. Selling Horvat and Miller now will definitely benefit the Canucks.

 

And for the love of God, get rid of Green. Hire someone with a lot of hockey experience.

That fact that players like Markstrom and Tanev walked out of here without anything in return should have cost JB his job, or close to it. The Toffoli trade was the last straw for me, absolutely needless to trade for him, give up what we did then let him walk for nothing after a partial season.

Edited November 18, 2021 by CJ44

[Harold Drunken]

43 minutes ago, tas said:

placing blame and pointing fingers is a pointless, counter-productive, toxic behaviour. it's a team. they win as a group and lose as a group. 

Oh good god, really?