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2 minutes ago, butters said:

there were people complaining during the team's best years. Vancouver sports fandom comes with a guaranteed minimum level of toxicity

we suffer from having a lot of fans who have 2nd teams. There's a lot of people that are just as happy to see MTL win as us. I think thats a big contributor to the quick anger we see here.

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I agree with this. Even if management is wiped clean and we get new staff. That doesn’t mean we are going to win a Stanley Cup either. In fact it could go either way really. So at the end of the day we should be at least supporting the players cause we have no control over the rest and even if we get angry and run people outta town it guarantees nothing. Hell it could completely back fire and Aqua sells the team to someone that wants to move it. 

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40 minutes ago, butters said:

there were people complaining during the team's best years. Vancouver sports fandom comes with a guaranteed minimum level of toxicity

A lot of it has to do with our media.  Guys like JD Burke and Thomas Drance are flat out cancerous and a menace to Canucks hockey coverage.  And then of course, you have the toxic Canucks hockey community over at the HFboards.  

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35 minutes ago, MikeyD said:

I support the things that deserve support. Good, consistent efforts will always get my support. 

It's why I rarely talk negatively of guys like Hoglander or Motte or Garland or OEL. It's not because they're otherworldly players, but they put in the effort to help drive the bus. They all have extended leashes. 

 

I cannot support the coaching staff. It's honestly just such low IQ coaching that I couldn't be bothered. I've been saying it way before this team sucked that the coaching was very poor and that this team was always better than what they have showcased. When it takes you 18 games (nearly a quarter of the season) to make an adjustment to a powerplay that deserves to get crapped on repeatedly. When you constantly see the same mistakes over and over and over again with no desire to change, that deserves booing. 

 

I don't even crap on Petey because you can see he's trying to put the pieces back together. His execution is absolutely horrific but the kid is still trying at least. Meanwhile you have plenty of other guys taking nights off or a captain of the team that never pulls the team into a fight or the top talent not trying to drive the bus when they have shown in previous seasons they easily can, it's mind-boggling and in my opinion doesn't deserve praise. 

 

The Canucks have always had the identity of being the hard-working team and the fans have always rewarded the hard workers, despite their talent level. Tossing that away to make these millionaires feel better about themselves for putting in a lackluster effort doesn't jive with me. Why don't we ever hear on the radio about guys spending extra time at the end of practices to hone in on their games? Is that covid? I've heard it about the rookies on the team, why aren't the vets doing it? 

Ditto: the on ice product speaks for itself; and there is a difference between delusional & holding the team leadership accountable.  Your take on Bo, I really agree on; and it shows on the ice: that this is Millers' team - imo. 

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1 minute ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Ditto: the on ice product speaks for itself; and there is a difference between delusional & holding the team leadership accountable. 

but those aren't our only choices as fans.

 

1 minute ago, ShawnAntoski said:

 

Your take on Bo, I really agree on; and it shows on the ice: that this is Millers' team - imo. 

this as well is based on one particular idea of leadership.

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2 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Ditto: the on ice product speaks for itself; and there is a difference between delusional & holding the team leadership accountable.  Your take on Bo, I really agree on; and it shows on the ice: that this is Millers' team - imo. 

Bo the guy traded?  Who replaces his minutes?  He’s a big, heavy minute, player who plays with skill.  

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3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Bo the guy traded?  Who replaces his minutes?  He’s a big, heavy minute, player who plays with skill.  

I'm sure Bo would love to take some cheap retaliation from time to time, but he's leading by trying to win. Some people would prefer the "drag into the fight" thing but thats not going to work for this team, not the way its constructed. We do need some bigger bodies tho.

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48 minutes ago, Patel Bure said:

A lot of it has to do with our media.  Guys like JD Burke and Thomas Drance are flat out cancerous and a menace to Canucks hockey coverage.  And then of course, you have the toxic Canucks hockey community over at the HFboards.  

To a large degree, the media schills know this market well but they are also taking the fans for granted, on how passionate & knowledgeable it is.   Imo, there are two annoying extremes that all sports fans tends to exhibit: the combative trolling and the wishful, passive aggressive, and LECTURY groupy takes.   Anyways and eventhough, there are some annoyance, there are still alot of posters that offer up some well taught out & balance POV, of the team - which fosters discussion about our favorite but dysfunctionally run team.

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12 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Bo the guy traded?  Who replaces his minutes?  He’s a big, heavy minute, player who plays with skill.  

Just my take on the locker room or captaincy, from an outsiders POV.  Iam not questioning, his ability or what he offers as a player.

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When it's game time I will always cheer on the Canucks.

 

Other than that I think it is fair to express my concerns in the appropriate forum, albeit I agree there should be boundaries against personal attacks on staff and players.

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9 minutes ago, JM_ said:

I'm sure Bo would love to take some cheap retaliation from time to time, but he's leading by trying to win. Some people would prefer the "drag into the fight" thing but thats not going to work for this team, not the way its constructed. We do need some bigger bodies tho.

Imo, it is all about sending a message - more so for the next meeting (especially, in the playoffs).  One of the things, I've noticed about the competitive teams are they stick up for each and it doesn't matter who; but it would be nice for Bo to send some message to his teammates (when he is on the ice) that he has there back.

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