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[ShawnAntoski]

49 minutes ago, stawns said:

Players don't follow players like miller.  He might drag them into the fight, but they don't follow willingly.  He's not a leader you win with

We don't know that; and what kind of leader do you win with ?

[JayDangles]

Yeah but... A lot of people on cdc have being supportive for 5 years... 15 years... 30 years... 50 years!!! 

 

Sometimes it's ok to push back and say no... As a fan I'm pissed at what I'm seeing on the ice, behind the bench, in the balcony and from ownership.

I love this team, but I'm tired of giving it unconditional support.

 

Tough love! One win won't just win me back!

[JustABandwagoner]

I support the TANK 

[IBatch]

50 minutes ago, stawns said:

Players don't follow players like miller.  He might drag them into the fight, but they don't follow willingly.  He's not a leader you win with

Not sure how you have that sort of insight.   Sure loved found his bubble lineup speech inspiring.   Would have put on my flak jacket and gone to war or be happy to share a foxhole with someone like that anytime.   Who would you rather share a foxhole with?  Naslund?   Meh.   No thanks.   Don't care what anyone says about Miller, he's one of the few guys on the team that inspires me at least.   If someone can "drag" anyone into anything that's something.   

[Coconuts]

24 minutes ago, cuporbust said:

Well, sometimes it only takes a few to combat that. I've been negative as hell before as well, so ya , I agree. 

 

Of coarse there is truth in the saying  " if it isn't me , it will be somebody else" . I'm just saying , at least that somebody else doesn't have to be me . Lol. 

I dunno if that's true anymore, given the nature of how news spreads and is shared. But yes, there are things to be positive about. The thing that springs to mind of Podkolzin and Hoglander, despite the mess this season has been they both continue to look promising. 

 

 

[Alflives]

7 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Not sure how you have that sort of insight.   Sure loved found his bubble lineup speech inspiring.   Would have put on my flak jacket and gone to war or be happy to share a foxhole with someone like that anytime.   Who would you rather share a foxhole with?  Naslund?   Meh.   No thanks.   Don't care what anyone says about Miller, he's one of the few guys on the team that inspires me at least.   If someone can "drag" anyone into anything that's something.   

Yup.  If I’m going into battle I want a guy like Miller at my side.  He might be prickly, but you know he’s got your back.  It would be a HUGE mistake to trade him.

[stawns]

9 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Not sure how you have that sort of insight.   Sure loved found his bubble lineup speech inspiring.   Would have put on my flak jacket and gone to war or be happy to share a foxhole with someone like that anytime.   Who would you rather share a foxhole with?  Naslund?   Meh.   No thanks.   Don't care what anyone says about Miller, he's one of the few guys on the team that inspires me at least.   If someone can "drag" anyone into anything that's something.   

43 years of being in dressing rooms, 15 years of being an educator.  Managing personalities is what I do and what I've always done.  You don't follow guys who scream obscenities on the ice and slam their sticks and doors in frustration.  That's not leading.........not saying it doesn't have it's place and can't inspire on occasion, but those types of personalities become tiresome and usually toxic after awhile 

[JM_]

48 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

100%.

I played sports since a young kid. Softball, baseball, tennis, rugby, lacrosse, volleyball, boxing, basketball...completed in Karate till I was 35. Also was a pro drummer. I have had to get along with team and band mates and am proud to have had some solid success. 

Team sports or martial arts, I was always motivated by those that gave their all and lead by example. the more communicative and passionate the better.

 

yup. And some guys gravitate to the quiet Tanev types. Lots of room for both if there's no asshole.

[stawns]

16 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

We don't know that; and what kind of leader do you win with ?

You win with a leader who has self control.  Guys like Miller are good, but they have a pretty short shelf life 

[bishopshodan]

22 minutes ago, stawns said:

You win with a leader who has self control.  Guys like Miller are good, but they have a pretty short shelf life 

I know Messier is hated around here. By me too for his time with the Nucks.

However, he is know as one of the best leaders ever. 

He was know as an emotional leader. Miller is not at his level obviously but it is similar. 

[stawns]

Just now, bishopshodan said:

I know Messier is hated around here. By me too for his time with the Nucks.

However, he is know as one of the best leaders ever. 

He was know as an emotional leader. Miller is not at his level obviously but it is similar. 

Messier was even keeled on the ice and kept his emotions in check, that's what made him a great leader.  When did anyone say you shouldn't be emotional.........good leaders control those emotions and know how to harness and use that energy.

[bishopshodan]

Just now, stawns said:

Messier was even keeled on the ice and kept his emotions in check, that's what made him a great leader.  When did anyone say you shouldn't be emotional.........good leaders control those emotions and know how to harness and use that energy.

Lots of dodgy stories about Mess but that was a different time. 

We can agree to disagree.

 

You bring up Miller a lot and i think you are wrong. I find it a bit strange because he has been a bright spot in a stint of tough times. He's producing and passionate. He's they type of guy that the Nucks have needed for years. Guy is a god damn warrior.

 

[ShawnAntoski]

40 minutes ago, stawns said:

You win with a leader who has self control.  Guys like Miller are good, but they have a pretty short shelf life 

Everyone is different; and he seems to have a good repoire with.some of the teams playmakers.  I guess, if the rumours are true about Miller being shopped, we will find out the ramifications of such a move ? Personally, Millers (shown) intensity & emotion (mainly, on the ice), is a much addition  - imo - cause the gentleman's or passive aggressive type hockey that has been nurtured as a Canuck culture, has not won the team a cup - especially, when the douchery is amped up in the playoffs.

 

 

Edited November 20, 2021 by ShawnAntoski

[Alflives]

6 minutes ago, stawns said:

Messier was even keeled on the ice and kept his emotions in check, that's what made him a great leader.  When did anyone say you shouldn't be emotional.........good leaders control those emotions and know how to harness and use that energy.

Correct.  What Messier showed others was the team always comes first.  And that personal play was selfish, and hurt the team, like retaliating and taking a penalty.  Selfish.  Not team first.  

[IBatch]

43 minutes ago, stawns said:

43 years of being in dressing rooms, 15 years of being an educator.  Managing personalities is what I do and what I've always done.  You don't follow guys who scream obscenities on the ice and slam their sticks and doors in frustration.  That's not leading.........not saying it doesn't have it's place and can't inspire on occasion, but those types of personalities become tiresome and usually toxic after awhile 

Sure have fun with that.   As a leader in my industry, i would welcome Miller into my dressing room anytime, but again it's not a school - it's a construction site.   Seen a lot of "leaders" in hockey break their sticks over the years or get frustrated.   Demko recently does he lose "marks" for that?   You don't like Miller, fine.   Based on what exactly?  Top performer since he arrived?   Getting  mad! Lol.  This isn't a girl scout janboree, it's the top league in the world.   Can't say how many players i've watched slam their sticks over the years.   Guys trying to get the other guys going.   Last year i was hard on Miller because felt he was trying to get the coach fired with his lazy cross ice passes.   Apathy is a lot lower then anger.   It has its place in the real world.   But i suppose you wouldn't know much about that. 

[King Heffy]

22 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I know Messier is hated around here. By me too for his time with the Nucks.

However, he is know as one of the best leaders ever. 

He was know as an emotional leader. Miller is not at his level obviously but it is similar. 

Locker room cancers are not "the best leaders ever".  He was an absolute fraud and Miller is in no way comparable to that lazy floater.

[ShawnAntoski]

15 minutes ago, stawns said:

Messier was even keeled on the ice and kept his emotions in check, that's what made him a great leader.  When did anyone say you shouldn't be emotional.........good leaders control those emotions and know how to harness and use that energy.

With the Canucks, he didn't seem invested and came here for the $; but based on his overall body of work, he seems to had understood the make up of the group he was the captain off and took from there - basically, he had a good repoire with his teammates  and coaches.  As a Canuck fan, the 94 team he lead, seems to had been a fragile group cause they obviously needed the refs to close that deal.   

[bishopshodan]

1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Correct.  What Messier showed others was the team always comes first.  And that personal play was selfish, and hurt the team, like retaliating and taking a penalty.  Selfish.  Not team first.  

You're on the anti- Miller team Alf?

 

 

[bishopshodan]

2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Locker room cancers are not "the best leaders ever".  He was an absolute fraud and Miller is in no way comparable to that lazy floater.

Haha, I meant before he got here.

 

You might be right too, I remember some off ice stories in the 90's that paint Mess in an ugly light but this thread is about positive supporting the team, shouldn't have brought that dude up

[ilduce39]

It’s a random thought I’ve had but maybe Miller’s constantly pissy attitude is dragging Pettersson down. 
 

As a player / coach I can’t stand that outward body language. I don’t see it as tough or inspiring - instead I take it as rather sulky and pathetic. 
 

There’s a difference between Markstrom breaking his stick after a tough loss and the way Miller mopes around when he’s off. 
 

With all that said, Miller is one of the only stars who is actually producing at his level.. so wearing his emotions out there like that is obviously working for him.  Green is also giving him all the ice he can handle, too so there’s that.  I can’t see it helping team morale though.