If this season bombs, do you support a rebuild ?

[MaxVerstappen33]

Rebuild meaning keep Petey and Hughs mainly. But that could include Boeser, Pods Hog, Rathbone and Demko.

 

We only need to do a 1/2 rebuild because we already have 2 pieces in Petey and Hughs. That wasn't the case just a few years ago. We have already endured some of the rebuild pain. In 2014/15 a rebuild would have taken 4-6 years minimum. But now it would only take 1-3 years.

 

There will be somebody who says a rebuild means Petey should be traded too. That's wrong. The only reason you are rebuilding is to get players like Petey and Hughs so its insane to start trading them. Trading them is how you become the Oilers.

 

 

[rawkdrummer]

No but a good draft position would be nice.

 

[Chickenspear]

If this season bombs, I'd rather give an experienced head coach and new assistants a season with the roster before deciding to blow it up.

[-AJ-]

I think it would be foolish to give up on our core just yet. They're still quite young and have potential (as we saw in the 2020 playoffs). A retool is what we'd need.

[on the cycle]

This team can be turned around just not with Benning. He should be fired immediately, why should he get anymore opportunities after coming up on 8 years?

 

Gillis was fired less than 3 years after making the cup final (not saying it was completely unjustified) shouldn't Benning be held to the same standard?

[Coconuts]

19 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:

If this season bombs, I'd rather give an experienced head coach and new assistants a season with the roster before deciding to blow it up.

This. Though I'm not opposed to exploring the market for Boeser and Miller, if a top end RD can be had you take it and run. Hughes, Pettersson, Horvat, and Demko shouldn't be moved though. Horvat because top end center's who can reliably win faceoffs aren't something we don't exactly have a glut of. He's closer to the age of the rest of our core than Miller. 

 

But if we tread water over the next few years I think it'd be worth exploring. Hopefully with a different GM in charge. 

Edited November 21, 2021 by Coconuts

[hammertime]

Yes 100%. 

 

Trade Bo Boeser and Miller return three 1sts ++ fully tank this year and next. 

 

Build around

 

Nils Pete Pod

Garland XXX  Klimovich

Motte Dickinson Pearson

XXX Focht Lockwood 

 

Hughes Myers

OEL XXX

Bone Woo 

 

Stock the cupboards in the next 2 drafts and come back stronger. 

 

[khay]

This is one instance where retool actually makes sense.

 

It didn't make sense in 2013 because the core players, Sedins, Bieksa, and Luongo were on the wrong side of 30. 

 

But it has to be done by someone other than JB.

 

JB blew his chance after 2019-2020 season. Instead of tinkering, he made far too many changes thereby destroying any progression that he was able to build up to that point.

[Twilight Sparkle]

we've been in a rebuild for 8 years

[Crabcakes]

1 hour ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

Rebuild meaning keep Petey and Hughs mainly. But that could include Boeser, Pods Hog, Rathbone and Demko.

 

We only need to do a 1/2 rebuild because we already have 2 pieces in Petey and Hughs. That wasn't the case just a few years ago. We have already endured some of the rebuild pain. In 2014/15 a rebuild would have taken 4-6 years minimum. But now it would only take 1-3 years.

 

There will be somebody who says a rebuild means Petey should be traded too. That's wrong. The only reason you are rebuilding is to get players like Petey and Hughs so its insane to start trading them. Trading them is how you become the Oilers.

 

 

So you mean a re-tool.

 

Tell me, what's wrong with a core who was so good 2 years ago who has had 2 years (sort of) development time.  Are the players trash?

 

I think we've got a few slumps going on and a lack of leadership and identity because there has been too much turnover.

 

Is having more turnover going to help?

 

This is essentially a decent team who needs time to gel and become a team.

 

 

[nuckin_futz]

41 minutes ago, hammertime said:

Yes 100%. 

 

Trade Bo Boeser and Miller return three 1sts ++ fully tank this year and next. 

 

Stock the cupboards in the next 2 drafts and come back stronger. 

 

 

23 minutes ago, khay said:

This is one instance where retool actually makes sense.

 

It didn't make sense in 2013 because the core players, Sedins, Bieksa, and Luongo were on the wrong side of 30. 

 

But it has to be done by someone other than JB.

 

JB blew his chance after 2019-2020 season. Instead of tinkering, he made far too many changes thereby destroying any progression that he was able to build up to that point.

If you're going to blow it up for picks don't you kind of need JB seeing as the only thing he's done particularly well is draft?

[Kevin Biestra]

No, I would keep a bunch of the young players you named - provided they want to stay long term - but anyone Horvat and older I would start thinking about trading for value.  Jim gave up several first rounders to be winning right now and if that's not going to happen, I guess we ought to start getting some back.

[eeeeergh]

Really think we can get it done with this Roster if we make 2 additions on defense, and 1 bottom 6 addition:

- Move out Hamonic, bring in an elite shutdown defenseman (cant believe we gave up Tanev....)
- Bring in another defensively responsible LHD so we have some depth, and Burroughs/Schenn can both be #7 and #8 options respectively
- Move Motte or someone else valuable enough to get us a 3 or 4 C that is defensively responsible and wins faceoffs. Once we have sutter back, we'll have 3 face off specialists over 50% (new guy, sutter, horvat) that can handle the PK. 

Oh and get rid of nolan baumgartner and whoever else is responsible for creating the absolute worst penalty kill strategy in the entire league. 


 

[MaxVerstappen33]

15 minutes ago, Crabcakes said:

So you mean a re-tool.

 

Tell me, what's wrong with a core who was so good 2 years ago who has had 2 years (sort of) development time.  Are the players trash?

 

I think we've got a few slumps going on and a lack of leadership and identity because there has been too much turnover.

 

Is having more turnover going to help?

 

This is essentially a decent team who needs time to gel and become a team.

 

 

There's nothing wrong with it per se. I actually kinda like it. Other than the fact that we don't have a Kane/Teows Perry/Getzlaf Malkin/Crosby duo. We are tanking just to get Petey a linemate and maybe Hughs too.

Edited November 21, 2021 by MaxVerstappen33

[hammertime]

15 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said:

 

If you're going to blow it up for picks don't you kind of need JB seeing as the only thing he's done particularly well is draft?

I dunno I think it's a bit of a misconception. Expectations are so low that when he doesn't completely suck at something we're calling it a strength.  

Edited November 21, 2021 by hammertime

[Drakrami]

1 hour ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

Rebuild meaning keep Petey and Hughs mainly. But that could include Boeser, Pods Hog, Rathbone and Demko.

 

We only need to do a 1/2 rebuild because we already have 2 pieces in Petey and Hughs. That wasn't the case just a few years ago. We have already endured some of the rebuild pain. In 2014/15 a rebuild would have taken 4-6 years minimum. But now it would only take 1-3 years.

 

There will be somebody who says a rebuild means Petey should be traded too. That's wrong. The only reason you are rebuilding is to get players like Petey and Hughs so its insane to start trading them. Trading them is how you become the Oilers.

 

 

The reason you need a rebuild is because Pettersson/Hughes are not performing/their skillset does not translate to a contending team. And then you make the main point of your rebuild Pettersson/Hughes... 

 

I tend to think a support class of Miller/Boeser/Horvat/Demko/OEL/Garland/Hoglander/Myers is pretty decent. Never think about that it is the main pieces that are not working? 

[Patel Bure]

1 hour ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

Rebuild meaning keep Petey and Hughs mainly. But that could include Boeser, Pods Hog, Rathbone and Demko.

 

We only need to do a 1/2 rebuild because we already have 2 pieces in Petey and Hughs. That wasn't the case just a few years ago. We have already endured some of the rebuild pain. In 2014/15 a rebuild would have taken 4-6 years minimum. But now it would only take 1-3 years.

 

There will be somebody who says a rebuild means Petey should be traded too. That's wrong. The only reason you are rebuilding is to get players like Petey and Hughs so its insane to start trading them. Trading them is how you become the Oilers.

 

 

Yes, I would support a rebuild.  

 

Miller, Horvat, and Boeser all moved at the trade deadline for 1st's and prospects.   

 

Having said that, I think the above (and this thread in general) is garbage because the Canucks are going to be a playoff team at the trade deadline (or within striking distance). 

[ABNuck]

We're only a couple of pieces away from being a top 16 (Playoff) team...we need a higher end RD and a solid 2nd/3rd line sniper (one that can slide up/down as needed / PP sniper)...therefore no need for a rebuild, just a quick retool.

 

It's the player systems that need tweaking (especially our special teams). Not ready to give up on this core. If there's a new coaching team soon, new systems that play to our team's strengths, improved special teams play, then I would say the core is A-OK. If they still can't get it together then blow it up and try again.

[khay]

1 hour ago, nuckin_futz said:

 

If you're going to blow it up for picks don't you kind of need JB seeing as the only thing he's done particularly well is draft?

True there is some good in having continuity.

 

But we need someone that can come in and make an objective assessment on the organization and the type of players/coaching personnel we need to become a playoff team and a cup contender at the earliest possible date. I don't you can expect objectivity from JB because almost everyone in the organization was acquired/drafted by him.

 

For example, if the right move is to trade EP or Hughes, can JB ever reach that conclusion? He can't even fire Green or any of the coaching staff for their inability to ice an NHL level PK.

[Canuck Luck]

I said Yes....but sell Petey also.