aliboy Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 If he does want to stay then $8.5 x 6 should get it done, is my thinking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BPA said: After the Huberdeau signing, what is the contract ($ x yrs) the Miller fan boys expecting him to re-sign with the Canucks? Easy to say…pay the man. But what is your suggested price and term??? I expect 9-10 per for 7 or 8 years. I hope it’s 9 but 10 is ok. He is our best player, he is better than anyone else on this team. He deserves what he gets. Also, wanting Miller to stay is not a “Miller fan boy”. It’s called being a Canuck fan. Get over your LE PTSD. He is nothing like that. He has the heart of a lion and lions in this game age well. Edited August 6, 2022 by grandmaster 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: So what? good chance that never becomes anything. Look at what we gave up to get Miller, which is probably in the range of what we'd be getting at the TDL. Guess how many NHL games the picks we gave up have played since that deal? I'll give you a hint, its between 0 and 2. Maybe someday they will, but any deal at the TDL likely means a player we won't see make an impact for 4-5 years. Lets not pretend its going to matter at all to the current group because better odds it won't. I'm not sure I'd look at it that way. Look at all the "assets" the Panther got for Keith Ballard. None of them really amounted to anything more than a cup of coffee for Florida. Even Grabner who turned in a ok NHL career so far, didn't do it for Florida (who effectively lost him on waivers the first year they got him). Still doesn't lessen just how horrible that Gillis trade was. TB got cap room in that trade which I assume they took full advantage of (and won two cups in a row after that trade). Only reason Jim Benning lasted as long as he did despite the team been HORRIBLE for much of his tenure was his drafting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 24K PureCool Posted August 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, grandmaster said: I expect 9-10 per for 7 or 8 years. I hope it’s 9 but 10 is ok. He is our best player, he is better than anyone else on this team. He deserves what he gets. Also, wanting Miller to stay is not a “Miller fan boy”. It’s called being a Canuck fan. Get over your LE PTSD. He is nothing like that. He has the heart of a lion and lions in this game age well. It is not LE PTSD. It is reality of our cap space. Remeber we have Petey to sign in 2 years and Horvat's extension to think about. We don’t have the cap to sign Miller to a monstrous contract and improve the team especially on the D. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: It is not LE PTSD. It is reality of our cap space. Remeber we have Petey to sign in 2 years and Horvat's extension to think about. We don’t have the cap to sign Miller to a monstrous contract and improve the team especially on the D. This might just trigger you but: Miller > Petey and Bo If we were to lose one of the 2 above then so be it. Edited August 6, 2022 by grandmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MeanSeanBean Posted August 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, grandmaster said: This might just trigger you but: Miller > Petey This was true last year, but if this continues to be true the Canucks have much bigger problems. If Petey can't level up to become better then Miller, then this team is in no position at all to be pushing for a cup and that would make signing Miller a terrible call. With such a poor defense the Canucks can not afford to have our young forwards peak where they are now. This team at its peak last year was still only a top 10ish team in the league. That is simply no where close enough to winning a cup. In my opinion, this team stands zero chance to win a cup with Miller as our best player. Plain and simple. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: So what? good chance that never becomes anything. Look at what we gave up to get Miller, which is probably in the range of what we'd be getting at the TDL. Guess how many NHL games the picks we gave up have played since that deal? I'll give you a hint, its between 0 and 2. Maybe someday they will, but any deal at the TDL likely means a player we won't see make an impact for 4-5 years. Lets not pretend its going to matter at all to the current group because better odds it won't. https://www.capfriendly.com/trades/players/jt-miller good players are a nice problem to have. So we shouldn't trade Miller at the deadline because the draft picks we get for him may turn out to be nothing? Jim Benning is that you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, grandmaster said: This might just trigger you but: Miller > Petey and Bo If we were to lose one of the 2 above then so be it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: That’s a possibility yes. Like someone else pointed out the risk is still higher for him. He’s risking losing 50+ million guaranteed. The Canucks are only risking future assets. Gaudreau took the risk, had his best year ever, and then got the heck out of Calgary and got his money anyways. Miller can do the same thing. Sure, it's risky for him but lots of guys ride out the last year of their contracts looking for a payday. It's best for both sides to figure this out before the season starts. Neither side wins by letting this ride out until the trade deadline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 1 hour ago, gurn said: No need to have a amateur scouting department, might as well just trade all our draft picks. And yet teams draft people all the time; seems like a waste of time, given what you are saying. no, thats not what I'm saying at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 6, 2022 Share Posted August 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: So we shouldn't trade Miller at the deadline because the draft picks we get for him may turn out to be nothing? Jim Benning is that you? hey keep freaking out if it makes you feel better, the reality is a late pick has a low chance of being an impact player. Others think the playoff experience is valuable. But if you want to turn the missed pick into the next Cam Neeley fill your boots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: no, thats not what I'm saying at all. If they can't sign him to a reasonable deal, they have to trade him; so we better hope the picks and or players back work out. I'm also ok with trading any picks we get from dealing Miller, or whoever else; to a different team for their further along prospects/budding stars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, gurn said: If they can't sign him to a reasonable deal, they have to trade him; so we better hope the picks and or players back work out. I'm also ok with trading any picks we get from dealing Miller, or whoever else; to a different team for their further along prospects/budding stars. no, they don't. If we're doing really well we can go to the playoffs with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 24K PureCool Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, grandmaster said: This might just trigger you but: Miller > Petey and Bo If we were to lose one of the 2 above then so be it. If Petey ain't gonna be our best player this team is going no where so signing Miller or not ain't even gonna matter either way if going by that assumption. If it is between Miller and Horvat then I am all ears all else being equal, but the fact of the matter is, Horvat ain't gonna cost something that is gonna cripple the team unlike Miller. Edited August 7, 2022 by 24K PureCool 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, JM_ said: hey keep freaking out if it makes you feel better, the reality is a late pick has a low chance of being an impact player. Others think the playoff experience is valuable. But if you want to turn the missed pick into the next Cam Neeley fill your boots. Again that is a weak argument for keeping Miller and letting him walk for nothing. I am sure every GM in the league would agree, especially the amateur scouting department of the Vancouver Canucks. I am sure if Benning had given our amateur scouts more opportunity to draft more players we would be in a much better situation today in regards to our young players and prospects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, JM_ said: no, they don't. If we're doing really well we can go to the playoffs with him. And have him walk for nothing? No thanks. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JM_ said: no, they don't. If we're doing really well we can go to the playoffs with him. Exactly. Everyone crapping on Treliving for getting nothing for Johnny. Whatever. If you think you are making playoffs you do everything in your power to go in guns blazing. You can't wait till you think the team is perfect. Look at 2011, 2012. Both President Trophy teams with no cup. I'm fine either way with JT now. He obviously isn't worth the franchise altering haul, so if it isn't there, keep him and go for it. Of course, if a team makes a legit offer, go for that. I'm fine either way. Edited August 7, 2022 by rekker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, rekker said: Exactly. Everyone crapping on Treliving for getting nothing for Johnny. Whatever. If you think you are making playoffs you do everything in your power to go in guns blazing. You can't wait till you think the team is perfect. Look at 2011, 2012. Both President Trophy teams with no cup. I'm fine either way with JT now. He obviously isn't worth the franchise altering haul, so if it isn't there, keep him and go for it. Of course, if a team makes a legit offer, go for that. I'm fine either way. This is why I agree with Drance's main argument: Just getting in is not enough to do damage, as only elite teams win cups. Moral: Build an elite team. Letting Miller go for nothing will not get you to elite status therefore no cup(s). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Shayster007 said: This was true last year, but if this continues to be true the Canucks have much bigger problems. If Petey can't level up to become better then Miller, then this team is in no position at all to be pushing for a cup and that would make signing Miller a terrible call. With such a poor defense the Canucks can not afford to have our young forwards peak where they are now. This team at its peak last year was still only a top 10ish team in the league. That is simply no where close enough to winning a cup. In my opinion, this team stands zero chance to win a cup with Miller as our best player. Plain and simple. Team defence is better than defencemen. Our team has proper coaching and was 11th in the league for points when BB took over. It was a good sample size too. We have since had some good additions to the coaching staff and the players will play to their full potential. When it comes to Petey versus Miller, that will remain the same. Miller will continue to be the best player on this team. Last year was not a fluke for Miller. He has been excellent since he got here and continues to get better every year. He has unofficially taken over as captain of this team and has grown as a result. Edited August 7, 2022 by grandmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 49 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Gaudreau took the risk, had his best year ever, and then got the heck out of Calgary and got his money anyways. Miller can do the same thing. Sure, it's risky for him but lots of guys ride out the last year of their contracts looking for a payday. It's best for both sides to figure this out before the season starts. Neither side wins by letting this ride out until the trade deadline. For sure players do it. Not many 30 year olds are in a position to turn down a 6 or 7 year deal though. Especially ones who most likely just hit their career high. He could take that risk but I’m not sure what he’s really holding out for because I don’t think the offers are gonna go up. It’s most likely that the Canucks offer is close to what he’ll be offered next summer. Why not lock in a contract now and not risk an injured season or a huge drop in production. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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