JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 59 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Again that is a weak argument for keeping Miller and letting him walk for nothing. I am sure every GM in the league would agree, especially the amateur scouting department of the Vancouver Canucks. I am sure if Benning had given our amateur scouts more opportunity to draft more players we would be in a much better situation today in regards to our young players and prospects. go put on some weight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 59 minutes ago, rekker said: Exactly. Everyone crapping on Treliving for getting nothing for Johnny. Whatever. If you think you are making playoffs you do everything in your power to go in guns blazing. You can't wait till you think the team is perfect. Look at 2011, 2012. Both President Trophy teams with no cup. I'm fine either way with JT now. He obviously isn't worth the franchise altering haul, so if it isn't there, keep him and go for it. Of course, if a team makes a legit offer, go for that. I'm fine either way. thats it really, if the offer is good (i.e. young roster player that can contribute now) then its hard to say no. If the best piece in the deal is a 25-32 pick then I'd rather see a playoff run. The chance of that player being "elite" is very low. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, gurn said: And have him walk for nothing? No thanks. would you prefer a KHL player that never makes it or a playoff run? Had we not traded for Miller and kept the pick, made the same decision NJ did we'd all be talking about another Benning draft bust. I just can't get excited about a late 1st being the best return for Miller. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 The amount of posters that are okay with Miller walking for nothing - especially when it's been proven time and time again that the "anything can happen in the playoffs" angle is not true - is troubling. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, JM_ said: yep. It is very risky for Miller to go in to the season without a deal. Much more risky than us losing a late 1st missing out on a TDL deal. Calgary was desperate but we don't need to be. Unless Allvin is okay with losing him for nothing (which I doubt he is, because that would make him bad at his job), eventually time will become a factor other teams will use as a variable to pull down the value of assets coming back in a potential trade. Time is of course a factor for Miller, but let's not pretend like it isn't an important factor for us too. Edited August 7, 2022 by guntrix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coconuts Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) We've come a long way, he'll sign for less than 7 or 8 to being okay with 9 or 10.. Edited August 7, 2022 by Coconuts 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MeanSeanBean Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 56 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Team defence is better than defencemen. Our team has proper coaching and was 11th in the league for points when BB took over. It was a good sample size too. We have since had some good additions to the coaching staff and the players will play to their full potential. When it comes to Petey versus Miller, that will remain the same. Miller will continue to be the best player on this team. Last year was not a fluke for Miller. He has been excellent since he got here and continues to get better every year. He has unofficially taken over as captain of this team and has grown as a result. Based off his career thus far it's more likely last year was the outlier not the norm. 11th is exactly what I said, which isn't good enough. The captain thing is just your opinion, which is fine. But you also said you would be fine with signing Miller for 10 million over 8 years.. so you and I have VERY different opinions on this team. @Coconutshaha I'm glad someone else caught this. It went from "Miller loves this city and will sign a team friendly deal" to being completely content with signing him to a contract that would likely handcuff us within 50 pages. Edited August 7, 2022 by Shayster007 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coconuts Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: Based off his career thus far it's more likely last year was the outlier not the norm. 11th is exactly what I said, which isn't good enough. The captain thing is just your opinion, which is fine. But you also said you would be fine with signing Miller for 10 million over 8 years.. so you and I have VERY different opinions on this team. @Coconutshaha I'm glad someone else caught this. It went from "Miller loves this city and will sign a team friendly deal" to being completely content with signing him to a contract that would likely handcuff us within 50 pages. It's hilarious, a few of us were arguing how he could easily ask for 9M+ and the pushback was real, now here we are and the line has shifted Hometown discount, he loves it here, blah blah blah 9M+ was never okay with term Edited August 7, 2022 by Coconuts 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Coconuts said: It's hilarious, a few of us were arguing how he could easily ask for 9M+ and the pushback was real, now here we are and the line has shifted Hometown discount, he loves it here, blah blah blah 9M+ was never okay with term No one really knows. Also, market dictates value. Last I checked you had no choice but to fill your gas tank at these prices. Miller is not a luxury. He is the gas that this team needs to win. Edited August 7, 2022 by grandmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, grandmaster said: No one really knows. Also, market dictates value. Last I checked you had no choice but to fill your gas tank at these prices. Miller is not a luxury. He is the gas that this team needs to win. We're never gonna agree on that. We're on opposite sides of the spectrum, you see him as a player worth keeping at all costs and I view him as a piece we'd do just fine without long term. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Coconuts said: We're never gonna agree on that. We're on opposite sides of the spectrum, you see him as a player worth keeping at all costs and I view him as a piece we'd do just fine without long term. True enough. We’ve been going at this for a while now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: go put on some weight 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 8 hours ago, DeNiro said: If Miller goes into next season without a contract and only puts up 75 points, nobodies giving him anything close to 9 million. He’ll never get more than he’ll get this offseason when he still has the illusion that he’s a 90+ point player. Im glad management is calling their bluff. Miller and his agent both know it’s a huge risk to not get a contract done now. You always take guaranteed money over hoping to get money later, there’s too many variables A fair deal & comp is Mika Z in NY. They put up similar point totals, are the same age (Miller is actually 1 month younger, sooo he should maintain his elite play for at least 1 month more then Mika Z ) But seriously, I can see Van making an offer in the dollar amount of 8 to 8.5 per and the term is probably the sticking point. If Miller wants more $ he walks. It really is that simple. If we agrees to a lesser term like 6 years, perhaps the Canucks offer 9 per???? Keep in mind Miller played the last 1/4 of the year with bums like Chiasson and would have Podkolzin on his wing. If we reunite the Lotto line or he plays with actual top 6 wingers consistently, I think he can easily be a point per game player and even a 90+ point player over the next 3-4 years here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: For sure players do it. Not many 30 year olds are in a position to turn down a 6 or 7 year deal though. Especially ones who most likely just hit their career high. He could take that risk but I’m not sure what he’s really holding out for because I don’t think the offers are gonna go up. It’s most likely that the Canucks offer is close to what he’ll be offered next summer. Why not lock in a contract now and not risk an injured season or a huge drop in production. I agree. Huberdeau is a perfect example of a 29 year old locking into a retirement contract before hitting free agency. Miller should do the same. And the Canucks should trade him prior to the start of the season if they can't get a deal done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBossy Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Again - I don't think the Hubredeau contract is a fair contract to compare JT to - Trevling had no choice but to meet his demands plus he had just lost two players who between them would have eaten up $20 mil of Cap Space. Different bargaining positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, MikeBossy said: Again - I don't think the Hubredeau contract is a fair contract to compare JT to - Trevling had no choice but to meet his demands plus he had just lost two players who between them would have eaten up $20 mil of Cap Space. Different bargaining positions. Maybe so, but fair or not it's still a comparable and you know Miller's agent will use it. Bottom line is Huberdeau got paid what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got the Babych Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 5 hours ago, tas said: so the idle speculation of people who know nothing is equivalent in value to the actual statements made in plain english by the player himself and his representatives? Uh, yeah actually. Your dog shampooer's speculation on this subject has exactly the same weight as an agent's statements to the media during contract negotiations. They both have zero effect on the reality of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Maybe so, but fair or not it's still a comparable and you know Miller's agent will use it. Bottom line is Huberdeau got paid what he did. Zibanejad is the better comparable. Huberdeau has averaged over a point per game the last 4 seasons (1.2 PPG) Miller has averaged well under a point per game in his last 4 (0.88) Zibanejad has averaged almost exactly a point per game in the last 4 (1.01) An offer of 8.5 mil over 6 years is more than fair and completely in line with his best comparable which is DJ Z. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 16 minutes ago, Got the Babych said: Uh, yeah actually. Your dog shampooer's speculation on this subject has exactly the same weight as an agent's statements to the media during contract negotiations. They both have zero effect on the reality of the situation. I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Got the Babych said: Uh, yeah actually. Your dog shampooer's speculation on this subject has exactly the same weight as an agent's statements to the media during contract negotiations. They both have zero effect on the reality of the situation. Considering that, if I was the player, I would like to have at least some control of my situation, as I would any job.... goes very much against what you're saying. If this is what you truly think... then I legitimatally feel sorry for you, mostly because you probably have zero control of your life because you had better think the exact same thing of your own life or else be a major (and I mean MAJOR) hypocrite. Edited August 7, 2022 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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