Alflives Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Alf’s empties are again chiming in on Miller. They are speculating Miller will play out this coming season with us. Then, when he is a UFA July 2023 no offers will be more than 5 years x 7 mil. He will sign a six year deal to stay with us for 6 years x 7.5. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Zibanejad is the better comparable. Huberdeau has averaged over a point per game the last 4 seasons (1.2 PPG) Miller has averaged well under a point per game in his last 4 (0.88) Zibanejad has averaged almost exactly a point per game in the last 4 (1.01) An offer of 8.5 mil over 6 years is more than fair and completely in line with his best comparable which is DJ Z. I'd agree Zib is a better comparable, but you know Miller's agent will shoot high Different environment too, Zib got that then and Huberdeau got this now, in a flat cap world Edited August 7, 2022 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, Coconuts said: I'd agree Zib is a better comparable, but you know Miller's agent will shoot high Different environment too, Zib got that then and Huberdeau got this now, in a flat cap world Exactly, the cap didn’t go up so Zibanejad is still a good comparable. He signed that contract 10 months ago. They can try to compare to Huberdeau all they want but the numbers don’t line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 23 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Exactly, the cap didn’t go up so Zibanejad is still a good comparable. He signed that contract 10 months ago. They can try to compare to Huberdeau all they want but the numbers don’t line up. They don't have to, they just gave to move what he gets in that direction, thus the shooting high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Zibanejad is the better comparable. Huberdeau has averaged over a point per game the last 4 seasons (1.2 PPG) Miller has averaged well under a point per game in his last 4 (0.88) Zibanejad has averaged almost exactly a point per game in the last 4 (1.01) An offer of 8.5 mil over 6 years is more than fair and completely in line with his best comparable which is DJ Z. Why don't we look at the last 3 years when Miller was actually with the Canucks and a 1st line forward: Huberdeau - 1.24 10.5x8 Miller - 1.07 ?? Zibanejad - 1.06 8.5x8 Gaudreau - 1.06 9.75x7 Forsberg - 0.98 8.5x8 Hertl - 0.79 8.1x8 Nobody is saying Miller will get 10.5x8, however you can't just use one player to use as a comparable. The agent will use several players. Based on the 5 players above (not including what Kadri is getting which could change everything), Miller is looking at a deal in the $9 million range as a UFA (9x7) IF he were to get another 99 point season next year. That is why it is so important for both parties to get a deal done prior to the season starting... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 5 hours ago, grandmaster said: This might just trigger you but: Miller > Petey and Bo If we were to lose one of the 2 above then so be it. Yeah the one we can lose is miller. 9 mill for a 38 year old bahahahahahahha. we’ll see how fantastic that pans out for Calgary. lets build around a 30 year old that just had a career year seems like a good plan. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 4 hours ago, JM_ said: no, they don't. If we're doing really well we can go to the playoffs with him. Then what, Lose him for free after one round maybe two. seems like terrible asset management and tough to build and fill holes and get picks prospects in the system when top players are aloud to walk for free in hopes of a wildcard spot. Didn’t we just can the guy that thought that was a good plan. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stawns Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 hours ago, grandmaster said: No one really knows. Also, market dictates value. Last I checked you had no choice but to fill your gas tank at these prices. Miller is not a luxury. He is the gas that this team needs to win. Disagree Miller is one piece of the puzzle 1 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got the Babych Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, The Lock said: Considering that, if I was the player, I would like to have at least some control of my situation, as I would any job.... goes very much against what you're saying. If this is what you truly think... then I legitimatally feel sorry for you, mostly because you probably have zero control of your life because you had better think the exact same thing of your own life or else be a major (and I mean MAJOR) hypocrite. Haha, wow. I don't know what dots you're connecting upstairs, but I am not your stepdad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Got the Babych Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 hours ago, tas said: I disagree. That's fine, I hope JT does want to be here. The point is, though, that his agent's comments to the media during negotiations give absolutely no reason to believe that's true. Proof will be in the pudding, we will know eventually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 I'd go 8.5x5 Cmon Millsy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, NHL97OneTimer said: While I'm not suggesting that he'll sign for cheap, I hope you eat crow Gawdzukes Caw Caw lol. If I have to I will. Just want what's best for the team. It seems so obvious what that is. I was just joking around by the way but it seems clear by what's transpired. 12 hours ago, JM_ said: not sure what you're basing that on, he's never indicated anything like that. Just common sense really. He should realistically want to be close to his whole family, in the heart of where he grew up and what he believes in. Also better marketing opportunities and long-term term growth roots as well as exposure to USA hockey. Plus, unless he's just ultra ultra greedy and risky you would have thought he would have signed by now if he really wanted to stay. No? And of course he wouldn't indicate a homegrown inkling right in the middle of contract negotiations. What he didn't do though at any time was profess any desire whatsoever to remain here for the rest of his career. When you think about it Americans are really the only danger country for us like this. Other players like Swedes can't choose to go home and play NHL but Americans can, and really who is to blame them? Edited August 7, 2022 by Gawdzukes 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 4 hours ago, Got the Babych said: That's fine, I hope JT does want to be here. The point is, though, that his agent's comments to the media during negotiations give absolutely no reason to believe that's true. Proof will be in the pudding, we will know eventually! i disagree. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 10 hours ago, grandmaster said: Miller is not a luxury. He is the gas that this team needs to win. Demko is the only player, and I mean only, that this franchise couldn't survive losing at this point. Every other major piece could be removed for whatever reason and we'd find somehow to get by. But without Demko we're barely a competitive team on a nightly basis lat alone in a WC conversation. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 10 hours ago, combover said: Then what, Lose him for free after one round maybe two. seems like terrible asset management and tough to build and fill holes and get picks prospects in the system when top players are aloud to walk for free in hopes of a wildcard spot. Didn’t we just can the guy that thought that was a good plan. not every UFA situation is a disaster tho. In general sure you want to retain some assets if possible, but every year guys walk to UFA and teams don't collapse. If the best part of a deal is a late 1st I just don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Fanuck said: Demko is the only player, and I mean only, that this franchise couldn't survive losing at this point. Every other major piece could be removed for whatever reason and we'd find somehow to get by. But without Demko we're barely a competitive team on a nightly basis lat alone in a WC conversation. Demko was our best player last season, not Miller Miller could score the same amount of points and it wouldn't have mattered if Demko hadn't put up Vezina caliber goaltending most of his appearances We live or die by Demko, particularly with this defense and an offensively minded coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 7 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: Caw Caw lol. If I have to I will. Just want what's best for the team. It seems so obvious what that is. I was just joking around by the way but it seems clear by what's transpired. Just common sense really. He should realistically want to be close to his whole family, in the heart of where he grew up and what he believes in. Also better marketing opportunities and long-term term growth roots as well as exposure to USA hockey. Plus, unless he's just ultra ultra greedy and risky you would have thought he would have signed by now if he really wanted to stay. No? And of course he wouldn't indicate a homegrown inkling right in the middle of contract negotiations. What he didn't do though at any time was profess any desire whatsoever to remain here for the rest of his career. When you think about it Americans are really the only danger country for us like this. Other players like Swedes can't choose to go home and play NHL but Americans can, and really who is to blame them? common sense? So I guess Horvat has Leaf's PJ's because of course he'd want to be closer to home too? none of us know anything about Millers preferences or family situation. Maybe he hates his in laws and wants to be as far as possible from them. Edited August 7, 2022 by JM_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Demko was our best player last season, not Miller Miller could score the same amount of points and it wouldn't have mattered if Demko hadn't put up Vezina caliber goaltending most of his appearances We live or die by Demko, particularly with this defense and an offensively minded coach Hughes was our best player, and continues to be our best player. Miller is an okay player, but we really will not miss him much. TRADE MILLER! Get cap space and a couple picks. Edited August 7, 2022 by Alflives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, JM_ said: If the best part of a deal is a late 1st I just don't care. Why are you assuming that's the case? Looking at what similar guys have got as just rentals at TDL's, anyone could see that a late first is never the best piece. Feels like you're attempting to build a narrative there... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Alflives said: Hughes was our best player, and continues to be our best player. Miller is an okay player, but we really will not miss him much. TRADE MILLER! Get cap space and a couple picks. Hughes had a remarkable year but I'd still call Demko our MVP, if not for him we'd have never gone on that run and we'd have been in a much deeper hole after the first few months Folks look at our record after December and spout off about winning percentage but the reality is we had the same slow starts we did under Green and our defensive play continued to be sloppy, Demko covered a lot of warts for this club Sometimes it'd take us a period of two to get going and he'd be the only reason we were still in it Edited August 7, 2022 by Coconuts 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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