Popular Post 204CanucksFan Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, grandmaster said: Demko was fantastic but Miller willed most of this team’s victories, both on and off the ice. Miller is the only lion on this team that was otherwise full of domestic cats. Huh? Listen, I like Miller and would love to keep him but it just isn't feasible/reasonable in a salary cap world. Miller isn't exactly a lion, sure he's loud on and off the ice and puts up points playing with our teams best wingers but I have never seen Miller, in his 10 year NHL career put a team on his back and carry them through a playoff round. I've seen Bo do that against St. Louis. He picked the entire team up, scored the big goals when we needed them and never gave less than his all on every shift, it was very reminiscent of the Vancouver Keslers Vs. Nashville Prey. In the 2019-20 Playoffs Bo finished with 10 goals after getting eliminated in the 2nd round. He ended up 4th overall in goals for the entire playoffs despite playing 6-10 games less than any other player who hit double digit goals that year. I watched Miller slam his stick, yell and swear, be lazy on the backcheck and slowly glide to the bench for a change, not good signs of a leader in my book. Again, he puts up points and is tenacious on the forecheck but there are two ends to a hockey rink. Miller is a great player and I'd love him back but he's priced himself out of staying with a flattish cap. I'd much rather trade him for a good haul that fills our biggest need on D and a couple decent futures and keep the younger, better goal scorer, better faceoff man, more defensively responsible and better leader in Bo. And also, for this team: No Demko, no chance 1 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, JM_ said: I think it is certainly easier if we keep Miller. We all like to talk absolutes on this board, like you "never" let a UFA walk, etc. but it happens all the time. What kind of message does it send to the players like Bo if Miller gets dumped for a late 1st and it kills one of his few remaining cracks at the playoffs? there's a lot to consider more than just getting back whats essentially a 2nd round pick value. what kind of message does it send? It sends the message of "hey, we made a trade", nothing more, nothing less. These guys have been dealing with trades since they were 16-17 years old, they don't give it much thought 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Are we at 2000 yet? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted August 7, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, stawns said: what kind of message does it send? It sends the message of "hey, we made a trade", nothing more, nothing less. These guys have been dealing with trades since they were 16-17 years old, they don't give it much thought Or how about, "we're not letting this valuable player walk for free and are going to get assets to ensure we remain competitive moving forward for you guys, as you move in to your primes" Still, this one of many reasons it would be ideal to get this done this summer, or at least by the winter roster freeze. 1 4 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baratheon Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: And if we are in the playoffs at the 2023 TDL (or fighting for a spot) will our owner allow a Miller Trade? IMHAO our owner is why we didn’t trade Miller at the 2022 TDL. Why else did JR take Miller off the market two weeks before that 2022 TDL? Do you truly think JR would stand for that? It was his choice to resign from Pittsburg so it really doesn’t seem like he needs the job especially at his age. I can see ownership convincing him to be patient since he was only a couple months in to the job and was still building the front office. If they start telling JR what to do, multiple years in a row then you’ll know because JR will be gone. As I’ve said before, it’s his way or the highway. He held firm with Bruce. They’re holding their ground with JT. They haven’t been bullied in to a trade by any GM (nice try Lou lol). Our ownership will be no different as they have no leverage over JR. Ownership won’t want to see JR walk after only one year (especially if it’s their fault). It looks too bad on them. For better or for worse we are on Jim’s roller coaster now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) Edited August 7, 2022 by Ilya Mikheyev 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, gurn said: It sends the message that the team doesn't just care about a 'one and done' but rather wishes to build a team that competes every year. Ps- don't think people didn't see the bit you threw in about "second round value'. Ever moving goalposts. players do not care about picks tho. The whole idea of 'step back to go forward' is also full of risks, its not a guarantee at all. The only route with the highest chance at multiple elite players is full tank. Swapping out Miller isn't going to do that. Edited August 7, 2022 by JM_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 38 minutes ago, stawns said: what kind of message does it send? It sends the message of "hey, we made a trade", nothing more, nothing less. These guys have been dealing with trades since they were 16-17 years old, they don't give it much thought I disagree, you can see the frustration in Bo in the annual year end, missed the playoffs again, media availability. Why the heck would Bo re-sign here, knowing mgmt wasn't doing all it could to keep moving the team forward. Step back is fine for fantasy hockey, but I doubt it sits well with players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: Swapping out Miller isn't going to do that. Keeping Miller, and letting him walk for nothing, does not help the future of the team. If this is going to be the last year of the Canucks existence, then keep Miller; but I think the team will not fold, and would like the years after next season to be entertaining and have hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, gurn said: Keeping Miller, and letting him walk for nothing, does not help the future of the team. If this is going to be the last year of the Canucks existence, then keep Miller; but I think the team will not fold, and would like the years after next season to be entertaining and have hope. if they make the playoffs it does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, JM_ said: if they make the playoffs it does. No, it doesn't, it helps the now, not the future. The year after Miller leaves for nothing- the team will be worse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 Just now, gurn said: No, it doesn't, it helps the now, not the future. The year after Miller leaves for nothing- the team will be worse. so you put no value on playoff experience then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, gurn said: Keeping Miller, and letting him walk for nothing, does not help the future of the team. If this is going to be the last year of the Canucks existence, then keep Miller; but I think the team will not fold, and would like the years after next season to be entertaining and have hope. If the goal is to be a contender in 2 or 3 years keeping Miller is the best way to achieve that. If we want to aim for a longer term rebuild that extends past our current cores prime then we trade Miller for futures and prospects. Either way if Miller is traded or walks this team takes a major step back and won’t likely get back to being a playoff team for some time. You just can’t replace players like Miller unless you wanna overpay in free agency or draft and develop them over 8 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: You just can’t replace players like Miller Yes you can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, gurn said: Yes you can. No you can’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, JM_ said: I disagree, you can see the frustration in Bo in the annual year end, missed the playoffs again, media availability. Why the heck would Bo re-sign here, knowing mgmt wasn't doing all it could to keep moving the team forward. Step back is fine for fantasy hockey, but I doubt it sits well with players. Find a friggin' real defensive center (hopefully the new guy can handle that duty) might help. Since virtually day one, Horvat has been handling the bulk of the tougher defensive assignments (has to effect his offensive numbers since he's supposed to concentrate of preventing the other team's better forwards from scoring rather than scoring himself). Even when Sutter was first acquired, Sutter was put with the Sedins by Willie! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, gurn said: Yes you can. Tampa Bay won two cups in a row after trading him (granted, that's more of a case of just how deep that team was). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, gurn said: Yes you can. sure in a trade and then say goodbye to more futures. Or pay more for someone as a UFA that we don't know fits the team or has chemistry with the players. Sometimes just plugging in a new body leads to a crap team too. There is value in these guys sticking together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, grandmaster said: No you can’t Remind, who did Calgary just trade, and what did they get for him? Then tell me again how you can't replace Miller. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 7, 2022 Share Posted August 7, 2022 1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Find a friggin' real defensive center (hopefully the new guy can handle that duty) might help. Since virtually day one, Horvat has been handling the bulk of the tougher defensive assignments (has to effect his offensive numbers since he's supposed to concentrate of preventing the other team's better forwards from scoring rather than scoring himself). Even when Sutter was first acquired, Sutter was put with the Sedins by Willie! might be the next hardest piece to find after a 1RHD. A highly effective 3C that comes on the market is a unicorn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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