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20 minutes ago, JM_ said:

I think it is certainly easier if we keep Miller. 

 

We all like to talk absolutes on this board, like you "never" let a UFA walk, etc. but it happens all the time. What kind of message does it send to the players like Bo if Miller gets dumped for a late 1st and it kills one of his few remaining cracks at the playoffs? there's a lot to consider more than just getting back whats essentially a 2nd round pick value. 

 

what kind of message does it send?  It sends the message of "hey, we made a trade", nothing more, nothing less.  These guys have been dealing with trades since they were 16-17 years old, they don't give it much thought

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

And if we are in the playoffs at the 2023 TDL (or fighting for a spot) will our owner allow a Miller Trade?  IMHAO our owner is why we didn’t trade Miller at the 2022 TDL.  Why else did JR take Miller off the market two weeks before that 2022 TDL?  

Do you truly think JR would stand for that?  It was his choice to resign from Pittsburg so it really doesn’t seem like he needs the job especially at his age.  I can see ownership convincing him to be patient since he was only a couple months in to the job and was still building the front office.  If they start telling JR what to do, multiple years in a row then you’ll know because JR will be gone.  
 

As I’ve said before, it’s his way or the highway.  He held firm with Bruce.  They’re holding their ground with JT.  They haven’t been bullied in to a trade by any GM (nice try Lou lol).  Our ownership will be no different as they have no leverage over JR.  Ownership won’t want to see JR walk after only one year (especially if it’s their fault).  It looks too bad on them.  For better or for worse we are on Jim’s roller coaster now.

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55 minutes ago, gurn said:

It sends the message that the team doesn't just care about a 'one and done' but rather wishes to build a team that competes every year.

Ps- don't think people didn't see the bit you threw in about "second round value'.

Ever moving goalposts.

players do not care about picks tho. The whole idea of 'step back to go forward' is also full of risks, its not a guarantee at all. 

 

The only route with the highest chance at multiple elite players is full tank. Swapping out Miller isn't going to do that. 

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38 minutes ago, stawns said:

what kind of message does it send?  It sends the message of "hey, we made a trade", nothing more, nothing less.  These guys have been dealing with trades since they were 16-17 years old, they don't give it much thought

I disagree, you can see the frustration in Bo in the annual year end, missed the playoffs again, media availability. Why the heck would Bo re-sign here, knowing mgmt wasn't doing all it could to keep moving the team forward.

 

Step back is fine for fantasy hockey, but I doubt it sits well with players. 

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1 minute ago, JM_ said:

Swapping out Miller isn't going to do that. 

Keeping Miller, and letting him walk for nothing, does not help the future of the team.

If this is going to be the last year of the Canucks existence, then keep Miller; but I think the team will not fold, and would like the years after next season to be entertaining and have hope.

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Just now, gurn said:

Keeping Miller, and letting him walk for nothing, does not help the future of the team.

If this is going to be the last year of the Canucks existence, then keep Miller; but I think the team will not fold, and would like the years after next season to be entertaining and have hope.

if they make the playoffs it does. 

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1 minute ago, gurn said:

Keeping Miller, and letting him walk for nothing, does not help the future of the team.

If this is going to be the last year of the Canucks existence, then keep Miller; but I think the team will not fold, and would like the years after next season to be entertaining and have hope.

If the goal is to be a contender in 2 or 3 years keeping Miller is the best way to achieve that.

 

If we want to aim for a longer term rebuild that extends past our current cores prime then we trade Miller for futures and prospects.

 

Either way if Miller is traded or walks this team takes a major step back and won’t likely get back to being a playoff team for some time. You just can’t replace players like Miller unless you wanna overpay in free agency or draft and develop them over 8 years.

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6 minutes ago, JM_ said:

I disagree, you can see the frustration in Bo in the annual year end, missed the playoffs again, media availability. Why the heck would Bo re-sign here, knowing mgmt wasn't doing all it could to keep moving the team forward.

 

Step back is fine for fantasy hockey, but I doubt it sits well with players. 

Find a friggin' real defensive center (hopefully the new guy can handle that duty) might help.  Since virtually day one, Horvat has been handling the bulk of the tougher defensive assignments (has to effect his offensive numbers since he's supposed to concentrate of preventing the other team's better forwards from scoring rather than scoring himself).  Even when Sutter was first acquired, Sutter was put with the Sedins by Willie!

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2 minutes ago, gurn said:

Yes you can.

 

sure in a trade and then say goodbye to more futures. Or pay more for someone as a UFA that we don't know fits the team or has chemistry with the players. 

 

Sometimes just plugging in a new body leads to a crap team too. There is value in these guys sticking together. 

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1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Find a friggin' real defensive center (hopefully the new guy can handle that duty) might help.  Since virtually day one, Horvat has been handling the bulk of the tougher defensive assignments (has to effect his offensive numbers since he's supposed to concentrate of preventing the other team's better forwards from scoring rather than scoring himself).  Even when Sutter was first acquired, Sutter was put with the Sedins by Willie!

might be the next hardest piece to find after a 1RHD. A highly effective 3C that comes on the market is a unicorn. 

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