JM_ Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, stawns said: Teams always make room. if he's that good, then why don't we just keep him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, JM_ said: if he's that good, then why don't we just keep him? Because he doesnt fit the timeline of this young core and by doling out that kind of money and term they're stuck in limbo. They've got bigger issues to address than paying an aging fwd 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JM_ Posted August 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: Because he doesnt fit the timeline of this young core and by doling out that kind of money and term they're stuck in limbo. They've got bigger issues to address than paying an aging fwd what time line is that? JR wants a cup contender in 2 years, of course he fits that. its funny, when you want to make an argument one way he's an ageing forward who doesn't fit, but others teams will move mountains for him not trying to pick on you but this timeline thing seems a lot like the "he' American so he'll go home" thing. 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, JM_ said: what time line is that? JR wants a cup contender in 2 years, of course he fits that. its funny, when you want to make an argument one way he's an ageing forward who doesn't fit, but others teams will move mountains for him not trying to pick on you but this timeline thing seems a lot like the "he' American so he'll go home" thing. That's when he sees them as a moving beyond playoff bubble team........it takes 3-4 runs to get to contender status, if you get there at all. Saddling the team with an anchor contract pretty much relegates them to perennial bubble team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, stawns said: That's when he sees them as a moving beyond playoff bubble team........it takes 3-4 runs to get to contender status, if you get there at all. Saddling the team with an anchor contract pretty much relegates them to perennial bubble team so is RNH bad for Edmontons timeline? he's a month older than Miller. Our current contracts are: Petey - 4 years 3 to UFA Brock - 3 Hughes - 5 Demko - 4 The first half of an 8 year Miller extension does fit that nicely. Edited August 13, 2022 by JM_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, JM_ said: so is RNH bad for Edmontons timeline? he's a month older than Miller. Our current contracts are: Petey - 4 years to UFA Brock - 3 Hughes - 5 Demko - 4 The first half of an 8 year Miller extension does fit that nicely. Pettersson is 3 years to UFA. His deal is up in 2 years where he will then be in a similar situation as Tkachuk with an 8.82M qualifying offer that can bring him straight to UFA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 minute ago, mll said: Pettersson is 3 years to UFA. His deal is up in 2 years where he will then be in a similar situation as Tkachuk with an 8.82M qualifying offer that can bring him straight to UFA. thanks, thought it was 4. Even more reason to take a run with this group now and not wait for better timing that may not come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baratheon Posted August 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, JM_ said: thanks, thought it was 4. Even more reason to take a run with this group now and not wait for better timing that may not come. You're missing the big picture here. In a couple years we can start the "[Rumour] Elias Pettersson Trade/Contract Talks" thread! What a time to be alive! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Baratheon said: You're missing the big picture here. In a couple years we can start the "[Rumour] Elias Pettersson Trade/Contract Talks" thread! What a time to be alive! Petey had a NY instagram vacation story 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 hour ago, stawns said: Because he doesnt fit the timeline of this young core and by doling out that kind of money and term they're stuck in limbo. They've got bigger issues to address than paying an aging fwd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 2 hours ago, stawns said: Teams always make room. 1 hour ago, stawns said: Because he doesnt fit the timeline of this young core and by doling out that kind of money and term they're stuck in limbo. They've got bigger issues to address than paying an aging fwd 1 hour ago, JM_ said: what time line is that? JR wants a cup contender in 2 years, of course he fits that. its funny, when you want to make an argument one way he's an ageing forward who doesn't fit, but others teams will move mountains for him not trying to pick on you but this timeline thing seems a lot like the "he' American so he'll go home" thing. 1 hour ago, stawns said: That's when he sees them as a moving beyond playoff bubble team........it takes 3-4 runs to get to contender status, if you get there at all. Saddling the team with an anchor contract pretty much relegates them to perennial bubble team You talk in circles then just make up a statement as if it's fact and final. "That's when he sees them....it takes 3-4 runs" JM made the same point that immediately came to mind for me and many here do this. When they're talking about this team keeping JT, he's a declining, old forward. Why would we? But, in the same breath, other teams will snap him up and give him a massive, long term pay out. I have a feeling that what applies in relation to his age and demands will factor in with all teams, not just this one. Other teams may be in a better financial position TO consider him, but if age is a concern here that concern will apply across the board. Because teams want value...they don't want to be "saddled" with an aging vet either, even if he serves a purpose in the short term goals they have. They still have to think beyond that and likely will. All the things that make him a risk down the road apply no matter where he goes...not just here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 45 minutes ago, JM_ said: so is RNH bad for Edmontons timeline? he's a month older than Miller. Our current contracts are: Petey - 4 years 3 to UFA Brock - 3 Hughes - 5 Demko - 4 The first half of an 8 year Miller extension does fit that nicely. The thing is that RNH wanted to stay with EDM and took a discount to stay. The contract he signed was $5.125M x 8yrs. His ppg the 3 season prior was 0.82. I remember the talks were he was going to get around $7M. That’s a steep discount to make the cap work for the team. So will Miller also take a near $2M aav discount to stay with the Canucks also?? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 22 hours ago, -DLC- said: Kind of hard to explain that one away....I mean, the same standards apply to our "core" players who won't be in their prime "until" they're 27-28 to JT, who is 29. Cheers, the season can't come fast enough...I totally agree on that point. And look, I'm a realist...JT is quite possibly going. But that's not a for sure/fact and so I can still hope he doesn't and my experience in life tells me negotiations can be far apart but come closer together. Especially as time goes on and the reality of the situation starts to change the landscape a bit. (I have a little JT spirit in me....I'm all in/emotional and make no apologies for that) *slams the gate and drops an f bomb on her way out..... Not all players age the same way. A lot can be mitigated by smart play, good conditioning, good diet, and a commitment to training. Henrik got 112 points when he was 29. He didn't drop off a cliff after that. He was always good for 50 points in his worst years. I see a lot of that with JT Miller. Luongo played top notch hockey until his final year. Schneider started to struggle at age 30. Even on a 7-8 year term, you can front load it. And make it easier to trade him the last 3-4 years of his contract. If JT avoids serious injuries I can't see him falling below 50 points. If the cap goes up, and the average salary goes up, then it's easier to trade him moving forward as well. I just don't get the doom and gloom? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 2 hours ago, stawns said: And why would he take 6 years? He's confident he will still be playing top notch hockey in 5 years and can still get a great deal at age 35? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stawns Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Ghostsof1915 said: He's confident he will still be playing top notch hockey in 5 years and can still get a great deal at age 35? And risk injury/decline and miss out on a huge, guaranteed payday? I don't see it and I wouldn't blame him one bit, he's earned it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, BPA said: The thing is that RNH wanted to stay with EDM and took a discount to stay. The contract he signed was $5.125M x 8yrs. His ppg the 3 season prior was 0.82. I remember the talks were he was going to get around $7M. That’s a steep discount to make the cap work for the team. So will Miller also take a near $2M aav discount to stay with the Canucks also?? sure that was a nice thing he did. But age-wise, why is RNH a better bet than Miller? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Not all players age the same way. A lot can be mitigated by smart play, good conditioning, good diet, and a commitment to training. Henrik got 112 points when he was 29. He didn't drop off a cliff after that. He was always good for 50 points in his worst years. I see a lot of that with JT Miller. Luongo played top notch hockey until his final year. Schneider started to struggle at age 30. Even on a 7-8 year term, you can front load it. And make it easier to trade him the last 3-4 years of his contract. If JT avoids serious injuries I can't see him falling below 50 points. If the cap goes up, and the average salary goes up, then it's easier to trade him moving forward as well. I just don't get the doom and gloom? Then like the Sedins, we can expect a major drop off when Miller hits age 34. They went from near ppg (80-ish pts) to 50pts for their last 3 seasons. However, it was argued that the team as a whole was bad, so I can acknowledge that there will be a decrease in production because of that. Not everyone can be Patrick Kane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, aGENT said: This page (1108) has officially been renamed the Nile River page. Artemis program, the attempt to land back on the moon... Edited August 13, 2022 by Ghostsof1915 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, -DLC- said: You talk in circles then just make up a statement as if it's fact and final. "That's when he sees them....it takes 3-4 runs" JM made the same point that immediately came to mind for me and many here do this. When they're talking about this team keeping JT, he's a declining, old forward. Why would we? But, in the same breath, other teams will snap him up and give him a massive, long term pay out. I have a feeling that what applies in relation to his age and demands will factor in with all teams, not just this one. Other teams may be in a better financial position TO consider him, but if age is a concern here that concern will apply across the board. Because teams want value...they don't want to be "saddled" with an aging vet either, even if he serves a purpose in the short term goals they have. They still have to think beyond that and likely will. All the things that make him a risk down the road apply no matter where he goes...not just here. I'm also just trying to work off facts and what is actually under team control. We know we have our young stars under control for a certain amount of time. That time also happens to coincide with some likely very good years with Miller. How is that not a perfect overlap? Every contending team also has a mix of older vets and younger talent. There's no team thats in perfect lock step in ages. Outside of what we have in actual contracts and team control, everything else is pure speculation. Edited August 13, 2022 by JM_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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