RWJC Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Follow up to my previous post with another article regarding Nux future and cap, plus current available FA’s: The salary cap will rise again, someday. And the current free-agent market. August 25, 2022, 3:07 PM ET Carol Schram In conversation with Elliotte Friedman and Jeff Marek of Sportsnet, Daly expressed optimism that the World Cup of Hockey will return for the first time in eight years in 2024. He's also bullish on the league's revenue projections, and suggested that the salary cap could potentially start ticking up again a little sooner than expected. "I've seen some preliminary estimates recently which would make me more optimistic on the cap gong up sooner whether that's in two seasons or three seasons, I think it's more likely than not two seasons rather than three," he told Friedman and Marek.If the cap does start to rise again following the 2023-24 season, that could be particularly good news for Elias Petterson and Vasily Podkolzin. Both players will see their current deals expire that summer. Pettersson will have arbitration rights, a base salary of $7.35 million, and be just one year away from unrestricted free agency. Think of it as the Matthew Tkachuk scenario. The Canucks will likely want to sign him to a long-term deal, but he'd have the option of accepting his qualifying offer and walking straight to free agency. If he's not happy with the contract terms that the Canucks present — or just wants a change of scenery — he could also threaten to walk and force a trade, like Tkachuk did. Podkolzin will be coming out of his entry-level deal, and won't have arbitration rights at age 23. There has been plenty of hype in the media about the big winger's potential over the last couple of weeks — and while I like Podkolzin, I think that's just idle summer discourse. I'm hopeful about his development — and hopeful that have some fellow Russians in the dressing room could benefit him, although he seemed to adjust very well to North American culture last season. But it's far too early to say whether he'll be worthy of a juicy second contract. For now, we can cross that bridge when we come to it. I also wonder Daly's teaser could have any impact on the negotiating strategy for J.T. Miller. Yes, he'll be two years older in two years' time. But if there's more money in the system at that point and he can continue to play at a high level, maybe there's a better opportunity to maximize total earnings by taking a shorter-term deal now, then looking at a higher AAV in a couple of years' time. Can the Canucks make that work? They'll have Micheal Ferland's LTIR hit of $3.5 million coming off the books next season, as well as the $2.4 million in dead money assigned to Braden Holtby ($1.9 million) and Jake Virtanen ($500,000). CapFriendly shows that Vancouver has nearly $61 million committed to just 13 players in the 2022-23 season, leaving a projected $22 million in cap space to re-sign Bo Horvat and Miller — if they were to go down that road — as well as eight other players.The struggle is real.And that's why we're seeing a bit of a stall all around the league, signing-wise, as the end of summer draws near. This week, veteran forwards Paul Stastny and Phil Kessel both signed on with new teams on contracts of just $1.5 million. Stastny, 36, went from $6.5 million in 2020-21 to $3.75 million when he returned to Winnipeg last season. In Carolina, he has a no-trade clause and a crack at a $500,000 bonus if the Hurricanes win the Stanley Cup.Kessel doesn't turn 35 until October 2, so he isn't quite old enough to have bonuses included in his new contract with Vegas — though perhaps the noted poker aficionado can make it up at the tables? He's coming out of that monster eight-year, $64 million extension that he signed with Toronto under Dave Nonis at the beginning of the 2013-14 season — a lifetime ago, in NHL years. And despite all the guff that he takes for his physique, Kessel didn't just play out that entire contract — he didn't miss a game, although he did take a bit of a mulligan last season when he played just one shift in a road game in Detroit in March before flying back to Arizona for the birth of his first child. We waited 35 years for Keith Yandle to break Doug Jarvis' Ironman record of 964 games last January. His streak was snapped in March, at 989 games. Kessel goes into the new season at 982 — and is going to need to keep Vegas's aggressive injury bug at bay for at least a month or so in order to become the NHL's new all-time games-played leader. Some other veterans who are still without contracts include Joe Thornton, Brian Boyle, Tyler Bozak, Kris Russell, Sam Gagner, P.K. Subban, Cody Eakin and Tyler Ennis. Younger unsigned UFAs include Sam Steel, Zach Senyshyn, Daniel Spring, Michael Dal Colle, Brendan Perlini, Zach Aston-Reese and Brendan Perlini. As for former Canucks, perpetual PTO guy Alex Chiasson has not yet found a home, and neither has Tyler Motte — surprisingly. Brad Richardson and Justin Bailey also remain unsigned.The Canucks are currently sitting at 45 of 50 allowable NHL contracts for next season. And while CapFriendly shows them already at more than $85 million, they'll be easily cap-compliant with Ferland's LTIR cushion. They may also be looking at putting Tucker Poolman's $2.5 million back onto the injured list, depending on how he manages with his migraines in preseason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 On 8/22/2022 at 9:01 AM, wai_lai416 said: LA may or may not be a fluke but who knows they could very well be a fluke. But at the same time another team could easily fluke their way into the playoff ie Anaheim. They could very well be last years version of the kings. if we end up being buyers at the TDL.. then this management group is very short sighted.. we don’t necessary need to be a seller and get rid of miller at all cost.. but we should never even be in the discussion for being a buyer.. let alone someone like severson which would likely cost minimum a 1st rounder. This team is in no position to be throwing away asset for rentals to go all in right now coz they simply ain’t there yet.. Yes even us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) Anyone notice how often it happens that when a team fails to make the deal at the trade deadline, it's said that it will be easier in the summer. Then when the summer rolls around, all of a sudden it's easier to make the deal at the deadline. Edited August 25, 2022 by dougieL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 9 hours ago, Gawdzukes said: There's a lot of love for Garland on the board but at some point 7m dollar 3c's and 5m 3rw/3lw's are directly in opposition of being cap compliant. Thats why signing Boeser was the wrong move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: Thats why signing Boeser was the wrong move. Perhaps Miller has never been in the long term plans of PA? Sign a younger assest to less term and trade the older one. But they likely have not gotten an offer they think is worthwhile and despite making a contract offer, are unwilling to budge and may roll the dice into the season and wait for a better offer, likely around the deadline. This is me just speculating. All this attention to Miller and Bo is also a UFA next summer. Going to be an interesting season ahead! Edited August 25, 2022 by KirkSave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 27 minutes ago, EddieVedder said: Thats why signing Boeser was the wrong move. Yeah I agree. they wanted cap space, there it was. Instead we sign 26 wingers when we need center and rd. Nyet, I don't know what they're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Yeah I agree. they wanted cap space, there it was. Instead we sign 26 wingers when we need center and rd. Nyet, I don't know what they're doing. for a guy who's been pushing the asset management argument this kind of surprises me, would you really have let Boeser walk for nothing or a crap return just for some cap space this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, JM_ said: for a guy who's been pushing the asset management argument this kind of surprises me, would you really have let Boeser walk for nothing or a crap return just for some cap space this year? l keep hearing posters keep referencing "crap return" for Canucks players in a trade. What is a "crap return" in your mind........for Boeser in this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: l keep hearing posters keep referencing "crap return" for Canucks players in a trade. What is a "crap return" in your mind........for Boeser in this case? anything less than a top 4 RHD, or a top 10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: anything less than a top 4 RHD, or a top 10 pick. so say the don't gte that, but get assets that could help get that in another deal......still considered crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, stawns said: so say the don't gte that, but get assets that could help get that in another deal......still considered crap? what assets? what deal? we get theoretical quickly. Boeser has an elite shot, and isn't a problem person. We'd be lucky to get someone as good as him again at 23rd oa. In a re-draft of that year Brock should be top 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: what assets? what deal? we get theoretical quickly. Boeser has an elite shot, and isn't a problem person. We'd be lucky to get someone as good as him again at 23rd oa. In a re-draft of that year Brock should be top 12. great person, no question. His shot was elite, but appears that injuries have taken a toll on it..........in a re-draft I'd probably tke him right where he was, or a little later simply because his skating is average at best. It's no secret I think he should have been dealt and though he might not have got your top 4 d or top 10 pick, he would have brought in some assets they could have packaged to get that top 4 d and the much needed cap space. It was a poor decision, by management, to keep Boeser at that price, imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, stawns said: so say the don't gte that, but get assets that could help get that in another deal......still considered crap? so you are saying get rid of boeser at al cost? boeser had no value at his 7.5mil QO and it seems the fans here are desperate to get rid of him at all cost trashing him every possible step of the way.. people were ok with ridding boeser 1 for 1 in zacha.. zacha was traded for what? haula? so you'd be happy to get a return like haula? he's an asset that'll help you in another deal?.. people keep throwing out boeser is slow he's useless he doesn't hit he doesn't drive play he's useless 5v5 etc etc etc.. ok if that's the case what team wants him at 7.5mil QO? what team is going to give you value for a player that you are trying to dump literally for cap space? Boeser is literally a cap dump without contract attached 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, stawns said: great person, no question. His shot was elite, but appears that injuries have taken a toll on it..........in a re-draft I'd probably tke him right where he was, or a little later simply because his skating is average at best. It's no secret I think he should have been dealt and though he might not have got your top 4 d or top 10 pick, he would have brought in some assets they could have packaged to get that top 4 d and the much needed cap space. It was a poor decision, by management, to keep Boeser at that price, imo. maybe, but we don't know what the offers were, I suspect very lowball. If he comes back and puts up 35 goals, and you need to move someone, now you get quality back. It was far from an ideal situation with that QO. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 4petesake Posted August 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, stawns said: great person, no question. His shot was elite, but appears that injuries have taken a toll on it..........in a re-draft I'd probably tke him right where he was, or a little later simply because his skating is average at best. It's no secret I think he should have been dealt and though he might not have got your top 4 d or top 10 pick, he would have brought in some assets they could have packaged to get that top 4 d and the much needed cap space. It was a poor decision, by management, to keep Boeser at that price, imo. 22 minutes ago, JM_ said: what assets? what deal? we get theoretical quickly. Boeser has an elite shot, and isn't a problem person. We'd be lucky to get someone as good as him again at 23rd oa. In a re-draft of that year Brock should be top 12. Just searched 2015 NHL re-draft and the first 5 listings had Boesser at 6,7,9,11 and 12. Granted 4 were from 2020 and 1 from Aug 2021. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 32 minutes ago, JM_ said: maybe, but we don't know what the offers were, I suspect very lowball. If he comes back and puts up 35 goals, and you need to move someone, now you get quality back. It was far from an ideal situation with that QO. agreed completely This persistent "what if he scores 30+ goals" line of thinking irks me a bit as he's now a 20+ goal scorer and if his skating doesn't improve, that's likely where he sits. That said, I'd happily eat crow as he's obviously not going anywhere and I certainly have nothing against him other than his contract and cap hit for what he brings to the table. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: for a guy who's been pushing the asset management argument this kind of surprises me, would you really have let Boeser walk for nothing or a crap return just for some cap space this year? No, probably technically would have traded someone or signed and traded Boeser, or perhaps not signed an overflow of wingers. I don't know to be honest I appreciate Boeser is a good asset but maybe not sign Mikeyhev, or trade Garland. I don't know how they think they can keep everyone. It's like a plane flying overweight just clipping the trees every now and then. However, maybe it's not a bad plan considering. We have lots of backup for a Miller trade. I like gambling on Boeser as an asset. I like Garland and Mikeyhev, and new guy Kuzmenko, and Podkolzin but yet they have no cap space right now. Plus raises incoming for the top 9 in the next couple of years. So there is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: No, probably technically would have traded someone or signed and traded Boeser, or perhaps not signed an overflow of wingers. I don't know to be honest I appreciate Boeser is a good asset but maybe not sign Mikeyhev, or trade Garland. I don't know how they think they can keep everyone. It's like a plane flying overweight just clipping the trees every now and then. However, maybe it's not a bad plan considering. We have lots of backup for a Miller trade. I like gambling on Boeser as an asset. I like Garland and Mikeyhev, and new guy Kuzmenko, and Podkolzin but yet they have no cap space right now. Plus raises incoming for the top 9 in the next couple of years. So there is that. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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