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1 hour ago, Kobayashi Maru said:

I would say the middle ground would be more like:

 

Kakko/Lundkvist/2nd

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Kravtsov/Schneider/2nd

 

I would say any more and the Rangers balk, and any less and it likely doesn't make a ton of sense for us.

I could be good with either of those packages.

For some reason it feels like our own media is soft-pedalling a lesser offer to get us warmed up to the idea of a crappy package.

I still don't even want to make the trade, but I sure hope it's worth it if we do.

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6 minutes ago, mll said:

If they don't want to move Schneider, adding Motte is not going to change anything.  

Here's the thing... We don't need to trade Miller. If the Rangers truly want him they need to point up more than a late first and a disgruntled Russian. If that's their best offer we get to watch Miller for another season... Oh the horror lol.

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Just now, 73 Percent said:

Here's the thing... We don't need to trade Miller. If the Rangers truly want him they need to point up more than a late first and a disgruntled Russian. If that's their best offer we get to watch Miller for another season... Oh the horror lol.

Per Seravalli the Canucks are really torn on Miller so if they don't get the offer they want the more reason to try and keep him.  

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53 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

Honestly, I'd do either of these. I'd love a first, but won't fight tooth and nail if we're getting Kakko or Schneider. Kakko-Petey-Pod looks like a chef's kiss first line going forward, and Hughes-Schneider has potential to be one of the primer D pairings in the league.

Personally I would drop the 2nd in each case if it cemented the deal, but I don't think I would go any lower.  To me that is likely in alignment with what it would take from both sides to cement it.

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25 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

Seems like JR and PA could be pushed around in these negotiations. I say no thanks and move on, if I were them. 

 

How does Lundvist and Schneider compare to one another? 

 

Stylistic scouting reports showed Lundkvist as a Kaberle style of player and Schneider as a Seabrook style of player.  Obviously the chances of either of them becoming that level of D is very unlikely, but if we look at our needs the Seabrook type of player on RD is the better compliment.  To me, this means if we get Schneider we likely get a lesser forward (Kravtsov), and if we get Lundkvist we would ask for a better forward (Kakko).  I think if we are given lower prospects along with a 1st, we will pass.  

 

I am fully onboard with the idea of trading Miller because of our timeline and getting more young pieces to fill broader gaps, but only if we get pieces that are close to ready.

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12 minutes ago, mll said:

Per Seravalli the Canucks are really torn on Miller so if they don't get the offer they want the more reason to try and keep him.  

Yes please keep him. 


Deal out Boeser, (and if possible-Poolman, Dickinson, Halak) at the deadline. 


Use the remainder of the season to integrate the acquired assets into our roster/system. 

Bring up Rathbone for some late season experience/reward for his play and to let exec and coaching see what they have in him. my bet is he will excel. 

Also, use that time to assess who performs, what roles/attitudes they take, 

once one of “the core” has been exchanged out.  Maybe it’ll be a necessary adjustment to shake up what is often a stale attitude. Hopefully galvanizing. But something large is inevitable either way. 

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13 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said:

Personally I would drop the 2nd in each case if it cemented the deal, but I don't think I would go any lower.  To me that is likely in alignment with what it would take from both sides to cement it.

I don't know if I would, personally. I'd do Kakko and Schneider for Miller though, no picks needed.

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36 minutes ago, mll said:

Don't know anything about them other than both were taken in the 1st round in 2018 - Lundkvist at 28th and Kravtsov at 9th.

 

Friedman in his 32 Thoughts said that Kravtsov is looking to come back to the NHL.  Satiar Shah as well as Drance and Dhaliwal thinks he's a player that very much interest Vancouver.

 

Back in 2015 when Rutherford fired Johnston and replaced him with Sullivan, he blamed himself for not having brought in enough puck movers.  He went on to explain that offence starts with having movement from the back end - Pittsburgh were having trouble scoring.  He then went on to trade for Schultz and Daley and they won the Cup.  Under Sullivan the Ds were extremely aggressive offensively and were defending already at the opponent's blue line - in the finals SJS could hardly get out of their own end.  Boudreau wants to defend as high as possible and has a puck mover at the top of his wish list.  The Canucks' Ds are not particularly mobile or productive past Hughes.  Lundkvist is a puck mover.

 

Yeah I heard that part too.  There may be some underlying elements with Kravtsov, but I'd be willing to take the change.  They even mentioned that his value could be that of a 2nd round pick.  I'd say there is a much higher chance of Kravtsov reporting and performing vs any other 2nd round pick.  He's also on our timeline for competition.

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2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

All they want to offer is Kravtsov/Chytil or Lundkvist and a 2nd.  That's it.

 

But they're offering the vaunted 1st + schnieder/K Miller for newhook.

 

Apparently JT MIller is persona non grata in New York and not elite and Laf/Kakko are wildly more valuable than him.

 

When I pointed out he was 21st in league scoring and a 1b center on any team in the league, they crapped on it and said keep him then.

 

lol, then they offered Laf for Pettersson Hughes and a 1st

You should have promptly point out that the Rangers don't have 14 mil in cap space to accommodate Pettersson and Hughes.

 

Allvin and JR will gain a lot of supporters if they can get us Schneider + Laf/Kakko/whichever forward NYR fans don't want to give up for Miller, 

 

Love to see the Rags fans cry.

 

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If they are unwilling to get rid of Schneider I'd be more than willing to accept K'Andre Miller as the player in a return deal and keep hunting that RHD elsewhere

 

[Prospect(s)], Pick, MIller (player)

 

Have been watching him more and more, at 22 years of age he fits our core.  Is projecting to a 25-45 point career high to average defense on the LHD side of things.  Plus he's 6 foot 5 and almost 215 pounds.  When he's done filling out he's gonna be a beast.  All that and the big plus is he can skate.

 

Wanna keep Schneider?  Fine.  We want the bigger heavier meaner D that Schneider COULD become.  Ya he's an LHD, I get that but big heavy well skating D is harder and harder to find.  You can have any 2 of the 3 big tangibles at the best of times; but K Miller has all 3.

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37 minutes ago, mll said:

Per Seravalli the Canucks are really torn on Miller so if they don't get the offer they want the more reason to try and keep him.  

And that makes total sense. Once the season ends negotiations can begin with Miller. If it looks as though an extension isn't going to make sense, move him then. 

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2 minutes ago, mll said:

Pronman for The Athletic asked some executives to evaluate trade proposals from fans.  

 

Would definitely say wait until next year to trade Miller then.  There's no point trading him this TDL if that's the package coming back.  It's a very basic package for a high end rental player. 

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1 minute ago, HKSR said:

Would definitely say wait until next year to trade Miller then.  There's no point trading him this TDL if that's the package coming back.  It's a very basic package for a high end rental player. 

Those 2 execs think that the deal is pretty fair and that's with Miller at 50% retained.  

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18 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

If they are unwilling to get rid of Schneider I'd be more than willing to accept K'Andre Miller as the player in a return deal and keep hunting that RHD elsewhere

 

[Prospect(s)], Pick, MIller (player)

 

Have been watching him more and more, at 22 years of age he fits our core.  Is projecting to a 25-45 point career high to average defense on the LHD side of things.  Plus he's 6 foot 5 and almost 215 pounds.  When he's done filling out he's gonna be a beast.  All that and the big plus is he can skate.

 

Wanna keep Schneider?  Fine.  We want the bigger heavier meaner D that Schneider COULD become.  Ya he's an LHD, I get that but big heavy well skating D is harder and harder to find.  You can have any 2 of the 3 big tangibles at the best of times; but K Miller has all 3.

This. We don't need more smaller, offensive dmen. Hughes, Rathbone is plenty. We need size. K'Andre is a good dman with size and upside. 

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