IBatch Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 11/22/2021 at 9:04 PM, J.I.A.H.N said: 5 ft 10in...193 lbs? So he's a little shorter then Bieksa ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Shayster007 said: See what you're saying, I don't think Lundkvist fits our teams need either, but RD is the hardest position in the league to find outside of maybe a C. Might have a better chance doing a hockey trade of RD prospect for RD prospect that fits the teams need better. I'm sure lots of teams could use a blue chip (or at least close to blue chip) RD puck moving prospect. And then who knows, maybe he develops into a way that he does fit the team and we get what we need. Just feels like a D prospect must be one of thing returns for Miller to me. This ^^ Even if we "settle" for Lundkvist.... One, I think we could have a D with Hughes and Lundkvist on it (Rathbone likely traded though) and likely have Lundkvist paired with OEL. Or two, you potentially look at moving him down the line for a D that better suits our needs. GET THE ASSETS though. I've said it before...if we can get something like Chytil, Lundkvist, a 1st and one of Robertson/Barron/Othmann etc, it's still a VERY good package. 16 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Any chance Pitt could jump in here, do they have anything of value? Not much. They've got Kapanen and a REALLY good goalie prospect in Blomqvist...beyond that it gets pretty sparse. Poulin, Joseph, Legare... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Any chance Pitt could jump in here, do they have anything of value? Unlikely, they've been in 'win now' mode with Crosby/Malk/Tanger for a while. Right or wrong JR spent a lot of assets trying to stay competitive there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 5 hours ago, N4ZZY said: It’s something I don’t understand, right? Like if you want a top line player like Miller, wouldn’t you at least be offering (as a trade proposal) a grade A prospect or roster player coming back as a starting piece? Is Chytil a foundational piece in a deal? Is that 1st a foundational piece? Is Kravtsov a foundational piece? Lundqvist? Is he? None of those players scream to me as a foundational piece to a deal involving Miller. They are players that would be added onto a centre piece, like say Schneider. For me. I play hard ball with Drury, if I’m PA and JR. We’re not desperate, and we’re not expected to make the playoffs. But we’re kind of in that weird space where we’re close, but we’re not close enough to make it for sure. 50 percent chance either way, maybe, depending on a run if we could go on one. If I’m PA and JR, I’m constantly insisting and demanding that Schneider be the centre piece of any deal involving Miller. If they say no, then we say, nice knowing you, we’re going to look elsewhere to do business then. Thank but no thanks. If they circle around, then we obviously have the advantage in negotiations, because they’re the ones now that seem desperate. We’d have the upper hand even more than we did previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubrick Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 If it means getting the pieces that we want in the deal. I would entertain the idea of moving Rathbone as well, If it means we can land Schneider. He’s played with Fox at Harvard, and could drastically change the haul that we get back from NYR. LD’s are easier to find, and could easily be drafted in the first couple rounds this year. Schneider, Kravtsov, Otthman, 22’ 1st for Miller and Rathbone. Rangers may need to add still but it fills more of our needs right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, Kubrick said: If it means getting the pieces that we want in the deal. I would entertain the idea of moving Rathbone as well, If it means we can land Schneider. He’s played with Fox at Harvard, and could drastically change the haul that we get back from NYR. LD’s are easier to find, and could easily be drafted in the first couple rounds this year. Schneider, Kravtsov, Otthman, 22’ 1st for Miller and Rathbone. Rangers may need to add still but it fills more of our needs right now. ranger may need to add?? they ain't giving you 4 1st rounder for miller/rathbone lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, higgyfan said: Not feeling enthusiastic about Lundkvist; he's too small for a defence that includes Rathbone and Hughes. I think the gm, armed with a really good FW prospect + whatever, can find a young RD with the appropriate physic to be Quinn's d partner. If we bring in Lundkvist I question where Rathbone fits period. If Lundqvist can develop into a top 4 guy that'd give us two top 4 puck movers, and I figure he'd be more an OEL partner than a Hughes partner. Bring in Lundkvist and I think what management and coaching want on that third pairing suddenly looks more like a defensively reliable guy who can eat tough minutes so OEL and Hughes don't have to eat as many. Not sure where Rathbone would end up. Could keep him, but with the three of them our D is too small for my liking. I understand the game has changed and puck moving and speed are more how things go, but you still need size on your back end. 2 hours ago, Kobayashi Maru said: If the Miller discussions fall through, I am curious if NY would trade Pearson for Kravtsov directly? The long road of McCann for Kravtsov....... If the Miller discussions fall through I imagine NY might pivot more towards Garland than Pearson? Larger cap hit, sure, but also a better bang for their buck. Edited February 16, 2022 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Coconuts said: If the Miller discussions fall through I imagine NY might pivot more towards Garland than Pearson? Larger cap hit, sure, but also a better bang for their buck. If they went that way, what is a fair return in that case. Is Kravtsov/Lundkvist the right match there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: If they went that way, what is a fair return in that case. Is Kravtsov/Lundkvist the right match there? Not sure, his value isn't near Miller's imo but he's a valuable piece. I could see something like that working though, particularly because it's known around the league that Kratsov wants out. Garland's on a friendly contract through his prime, has good underlying numbers, and plays with a similar intensity to Miller. He won't come cheap. Edited February 16, 2022 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Not sure, his value isn't near Miller's imo but he's a valuable piece. I could see something like that working though, particularly because it's known around the league that Kratsov wants out. Garland's on a friendly contract through his prime, has good underlying numbers, and plays with a similar intensity to Miller. He won't come cheap. Definitely hard to know but I would definitely consider the following options with NYR: Miller for Kravtsov, Schneider, 2nd Garland for Kravtsov, Lundkvist Pearson for Kravtsov Either way, it looks like we get Kravtsov. I think it's time for the deadline to be here, because we are just spinning in circles now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Definitely hard to know but I would definitely consider the following options with NYR: Miller for Kravtsov, Schneider, 2nd Garland for Kravtsov, Lundkvist Pearson for Kravtsov Either way, it looks like we get Kravtsov. I think it's time for the deadline to be here, because we are just spinning in circles now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hairy Kneel Posted February 16, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 16, 2022 Miller is worth 3X what Toffoli is worth. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Definitely hard to know but I would definitely consider the following options with NYR: Miller for Kravtsov, Schneider, 2nd Garland for Kravtsov, Lundkvist Pearson for Kravtsov Either way, it looks like we get Kravtsov. I think it's time for the deadline to be here, because we are just spinning in circles now. Pearson and Dickinson for Kravtsov and Zacha works nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 28 minutes ago, Coconuts said: If we bring in Lundkvist I question where Rathbone fits period. If Lundqvist can develop into a top 4 guy that'd give us two top 4 puck movers, and I figure he'd be more an OEL partner than a Hughes partner. Bring in Lundkvist and I think what management and coaching want on that third pairing suddenly looks more like a defensively reliable guy who can eat tough minutes so OEL and Hughes don't have to eat as many. Not sure where Rathbone would end up. Could keep him, but with the three of them our D is too small for my liking. I understand the game has changed and puck moving and speed are more how things go, but you still need size on your back end. If the Miller discussions fall through I imagine NY might pivot more towards Garland than Pearson? Larger cap hit, sure, but also a better bang for their buck. if miller falls through i doubt they will go for garland.. they'll go and try re-sign strome.. and depending what strome gets.. anywhere from 6-7mil.. they'll have almost 55mil committed between their 7 top players..they are projecting around 9mil to sign 6 players and one of them is strome and the other is kakko.. and then 23/24 they have a tons of rfa due for raise to re-sign.. they ain't going to be able to keep all of schneider kakko lafrenier k miller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: Pearson and Dickinson for Kravtsov and Zacha works nicely. Haha sold. If we can make something like that work we are set! One may be possible but if we can pull off both for a low cost, I'd be amazed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: if miller falls through i doubt they will go for garland.. they'll go and try re-sign strome.. and depending what strome gets.. anywhere from 6-7mil.. they'll have almost 55mil committed between their 7 top players..they are projecting around 9mil to sign 6 players and one of them is strome and the other is kakko.. and then 23/24 they have a tons of rfa due for raise to re-sign.. they ain't going to be able to keep all of schneider kakko lafrenier k miller I wonder, because they've been rumoured to be interested in moving him in the past. I wonder if he'll want to stay, or whether he'll explore his options. But yeah, you make fair points. Sooner or later they're going to have to pay all this young talent they've been accumulating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 All the talk is around NYR, but Friedman is reporting that Washington is looking for forwards and Van/Seattle are being looked at. I'm not very familiar with Washington's prospect pool... is there anyone there worth packaging for Miller? Again all this talk about NYR, makes me think if he is traded, Miller is going somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, awalk said: All the talk is around NYR, but Friedman is reporting that Washington is looking for forwards and Van/Seattle are being looked at. I'm not very familiar with Washington's prospect pool... is there anyone there worth packaging for Miller? Again all this talk about NYR, makes me think if he is traded, Miller is going somewhere else. It's not just message boards discussing it anymore either, there's been a lot of chatter about him online, thescore posted about it earlier and besides CDC they're who I get my hockey news from. Nothing we haven't really discussed, but they're legit. They seem to think Lundqvist is the likely trade chip too, but I'm not sold on it. Particularly as we get closer to the deadline and the teams around the Rangers start making moves, because I could easily see Florida and Carolina doing so. https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2299242/report-rangers-among-teams-to-inquire-about-j-t-miller Edited February 16, 2022 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Just now, Coconuts said: It's not just message boards discussing it anymore, thescore posted about it earlier and besides CDC they're who I get my hockey news from. Nothing we haven't really discussed, but they're legit. They seem to think Lundqvist is the likely trade chip too, but I'm not sold on it. Particularly as we get closer to the deadline and the teams around the Rangers start making moves, because I could easily see Florida and Carolina doing so. https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2299242/report-rangers-among-teams-to-inquire-about-j-t-miller Oh yeah I mean all the talk from the media and other message boards... my experience is when talk goes on for this long about two specific teams, either it's super close to getting done and the deal is sealed within a few days, or a big swerve often comes in at the last minute. That said, sometimes it takes a while like Jim's obsession with OEL... So I am basically trying to figure out, who else might be in the mix that has some amazing prospects similar to NYR, that we might wanna dance with. NYR seems tops, Carolina is solid too. Don't know much about Florida's pipeline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, awalk said: Oh yeah I mean all the talk from the media and other message boards... my experience is when talk goes on for this long about two specific teams, either it's super close to getting done and the deal is sealed within a few days, or a big swerve often comes in at the last minute. That said, sometimes it takes a while like Jim's obsession with OEL... So I am basically trying to figure out, who else might be in the mix that has some amazing prospects similar to NYR, that we might wanna dance with. NYR seems tops, Carolina is solid too. Don't know much about Florida's pipeline. It's a good question, I'm not super familiar with the prospect pools of other teams. But you'd have to think that anyone who considers themselves a contender out east would be interested. If we retain, and I think that's a legit possibility, that only broadens the pool of teams who could bid and drives up the price. Lot of Miller trade smoke, I'll be very surprised if there's not fire. And the Rangers make a lot of sense, but if they're not willing to pay up we could easily deal with one of their rivals. If they don't wanna pay, &^@# em. We'll deal with a team that hopefully knocks them out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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