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53 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Yeah, I don't get it either. I mean, it's fine, the Canucks have time to keep pressing for Schneider until closer till the TDL. But if that's the hill the Rangers are dying on, we can still get a solid package with Lundkvist.

 

Chytil, Lundkvist, 1st and one or two of Kravstov, Robertson, Othmann, Barron , is still a good deal.

 

I'd prefer Compher, Newhook, 23 1st and Barron.

 

You probably pair Lundkvist with OEL (other than the PP).

 

It would probably spell a Rathbone trade, but I'm not sure that's not going to happen at some point anyway, as he's an ill fit as 3LD behind Hughes and OEL.

Well thing is that package will be there in the off season anyways so why bother. 

 

Press for Schneider at the deadline enlarge hula from another team or just wait till the draft. Packages floated around right now ain't going anywhere post deadline. 

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1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:

Sound  like there could be some teams that were interested in Miller, are now looking at other options, because the Canucks haven't made a decision on whether to keep him or commit to a trade. I can't seeing Miller going anywhere this season, that'll buy them some time to make a trade in the off season or next season. 

 

I could see guys like Garland and Pearson being dealt, possibly Myers.

 

 

 

 

No surprise there.  Boeser is the guy they need to focus on.  He needs a contract this year. 

Other teams know Miller is available if the price is right.  Come at us with your best offer, or don't waste our time.

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23 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:

Well thing is that package will be there in the off season anyways so why bother. 

 

Press for Schneider at the deadline enlarge hula from another team or just wait till the draft. Packages floated around right now ain't going anywhere post deadline. 

I don't think so

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1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:

Sound  like there could be some teams that were interested in Miller, are now looking at other options, because the Canucks haven't made a decision on whether to keep him or commit to a trade. I can't seeing Miller going anywhere this season, that'll buy them some time to make a trade in the off season or next season. 

 

I could see guys like Garland and Pearson being dealt, possibly Myers.

 

 

 

 

Agreed - I like the idea of keeping the excellent talent we have unless we're blown out of the water.

If we trade Miller for scraps and magic beans I'll be so discouraged.

Much better to trade (or give away) Dickinson, Hamonic, Poolman, Pearson and possibly Myers.

Nothing coming back, but at least gives us cap flexibility for players that have not really moved the needle for us (with the exception of Myers this year (and Pearson to a degree)).

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8 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

I agree. I think the “on pace” isn’t fair, because the player might be on pace for 30 goals, but like you’ve said, until they actually get there, it doesn’t matter. I always thought Brock would be a perennial 30 goal scorer, but he’s never actually cracked 30 goals, let alone get there. 

 

 

Projections can be fun for the sake of argument, particularly at the beginning of the season, but they don't really mean all that much. After last season I'd have projected a much better season from Boeser, but here we are. Maybe he gets there at some point, I think he's capable, but he's yet to atually do it. 

 

2 hours ago, coryberg said:

He played every single game that season, was never injured. In fact he even played all 17 playoff games for us. So in total that season he had 33 goals in 86 games that's  a pace of 31.46 goals per 82 games. 

 

Cool, but that's not how stats are broken down in hockey, regular season stats and playoff stats are separate things. Like I said, the pace doesn't actually matter all that much if he doesn't actually score x. Miller's currently a 27 goal scorer at best because that's what he's capped out at thus far during the regular season. 

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5 minutes ago, Putgolzin said:

Agreed - I like the idea of keeping the excellent talent we have unless we're blown out of the water.

If we trade Miller for scraps and magic beans I'll be so discouraged.

Much better to trade (or give away) Dickinson, Hamonic, Poolman, Pearson and possibly Myers.

Nothing coming back, but at least gives us cap flexibility for players that have not really moved the needle for us (with the exception of Myers this year (and Pearson to a degree)).

Lol not a single person on that list team would want even if its free unless you blow them away with draft picks.. Pearson ain't waiving.. the rest of them have terms and a bad cap on them.

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On 2/15/2022 at 12:56 PM, higgyfan said:

So maybe the way to go about this trade is accepting that the Rags won't trade Schneider.  Trade for Kaako +

Cuylle or Othmann + Chytil and then package one of them in a trade to acquire another great young RD.

Three team trade in the offing maybe?

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6 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:

And that plan b will still be on the table at the draft. 

 

That is my point, either NY give us plan a at the deadline or they can have fun in the playoffs without miller. 

We'll see. It's also possible NY goes another direction or changes their mind on Miller or their direction after the playoffs, Maybe they change their mind after seeing the rest of our season. Miller's value is at an all-time high. I wouldn't necessarily say that offer will still be on the table in 3 months. Pretty risky waiting if you we're going to accept it anyway.

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38 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Projections can be fun for the sake of argument, particularly at the beginning of the season, but they don't really mean all that much. After last season I'd have projected a much better season from Boeser, but here we are. Maybe he gets there at some point, I think he's capable, but he's yet to atually do it. 

 

Cool, but that's not how stats are broken down in hockey, regular season stats and playoff stats are separate things. Like I said, the pace doesn't actually matter all that much if he doesn't actually score x. Miller's currently a 27 goal scorer at best because that's what he's capped out at thus far during the regular season. 

To be fair it was also a 69 game season where he had 27 goals had it been a regular 82 game  season I’d bet lots of money he’d have scored 3 goals in the last 13 games to make it to 30.

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23 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said:

And that plan b will still be on the table at the draft. 

 

That is my point, either NY give us plan a at the deadline or they can have fun in the playoffs without miller. 

he might, but it'll be a significantly smaller package.  What'd the point of holding onto Miller for a couple of extra months if they plan on dealing him at the draft?  Give him a shot at a playoff run

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11 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

To be fair it was also a 69 game season where he had 27 goals had it been a regular 82 game  season I’d bet lots of money he’d have scored 3 goals in the last 13 games to make it to 30.

No question, but he didn't actually do it. When you look back at stat charts they don't factor in what if's. If Crosby had played 82 games during the 09-10 season instead of 81 he may have tied or beat out Henrik for the Art Ross, at that point he could have easily pulled out a 3-4 point game too, didn't happen. 

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10 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

We'll see. It's also possible NY goes another direction or changes their mind on Miller or their direction after the playoffs, Maybe they change their mind after seeing the rest of our season. Miller's value is at an all-time high. I wouldn't necessarily say that offer will still be on the table in 3 months. Pretty risky waiting if you we're going to accept it anyway.

We don't even have to deal with NY at the draft as there will be more options as other team start to gain cap space or more willing to shift things around. 

 

Either way if we are not getting our plan a, there is little reason to not wait till the draft where other options becomes open. 

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1 minute ago, 24K PureCool said:

We don't even have to deal with NY at the draft as there will be more options as other team start to gain cap space or more willing to shift things around. 

 

Either way if we are not getting our plan a, there is little reason to not wait till the draft where other options becomes open. 

other than the fact that you'll get fewer assets coming back becuase whoever makes a deal for Miller will only be getting him for one playoff run, rather than two.  That's why he's so valuable at this deadline..........even a "plan B" deal at the deadline will likely be significantly higher than anything after

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1 hour ago, 24K PureCool said:

Well thing is that package will be there in the off season anyways so why bother. 

 

Press for Schneider at the deadline enlarge hula from another team or just wait till the draft. Packages floated around right now ain't going anywhere post deadline. 

I think you can swing two of those secondary assets now and/or some of the 'better' ones. More if we retain and/or add a Motte etc. The summer, we're likely only getting Kravstov.

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2 minutes ago, stawns said:

other than the fact that you'll get fewer assets coming back becuase whoever makes a deal for Miller will only be getting him for one playoff run, rather than two.  That's why he's so valuable at this deadline..........even a "plan B" deal at the deadline will likely be significantly higher than anything after

I don't subscribe to that reasoning. 

When you have a superstar, that logic does not really hold up.

 

Price at deadline are usually up for support players while superstars maintain their value.

 

We are trading our best player. Plan B ain't gonna cut it. Who cares if we miss out on a 3rd rounder. 

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16 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I think you can swing two of those secondary assets now and/or some of the 'better' ones. More if we retain and/or add a Motte etc. The summer, we're likely only getting Kravstov.

Lol if it is only Kravstov then we ain't making that trade with NYR. 

 

Kravstov have little value. Why would we trade our best player only for a lottery ticket that will bolt to Russia at the first sign of resistance if he is even willing to report at all. 

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