aGENT Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 24K PureCool said: Lol if it is only Kravstov then we ain't making that trade with NYR. Kravstov have little value. Why would we trade our best player only for a lottery ticket that will bolt to Russia at the first sign of resistance if he is even willing to report at all. No, we're only getting Kravstov as a secondary asset. No Robertson, Othman, Barron etc. Also wouldn't be surprised if the first drops either. Edited February 17, 2022 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 When do we play the rangers again? Time to lay out one of their top 6 with a nice clean hit hehe and force their hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: Lol not a single person on that list team would want even if its free unless you blow them away with draft picks.. Pearson ain't waiving.. the rest of them have terms and a bad cap on them. Pearson ain't waiving ... because going to a playoff team would really suck? Myers, Poolman and Hamonic all RHD - most coveted position in hockey. Any one of those would find takers if free. Dickinson - fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Putgolzin said: Pearson ain't waiving ... because going to a playoff team would really suck? Myers, Poolman and Hamonic all RHD - most coveted position in hockey. Any one of those would find takers if free. Dickinson - fair point. No one wants Myers at 6 mil or poolman at 3 more years.. hamonic maybe but his commitment is questionable.. you think teams would want to submarine their cap on over priced rhd? Seriously what team wants a rhd from a team that's desperate for rhd but will gladly give away the ones they have for free? Not everyone is about chasing the playoffs or a cup.. ask halak.. Pearson already won one. Edited February 17, 2022 by wai_lai416 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: Lol if it is only Kravstov then we ain't making that trade with NYR. Kravstov have little value. Why would we trade our best player only for a lottery ticket that will bolt to Russia at the first sign of resistance if he is even willing to report at all. Lundqvist, Chytil, Kravstov, 1st. I'd strongly consider taking that package and move on. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 No trading Miller for a bunch of secondary assets from another team's junk drawer. If we sell Miller for a bunch of B assets chances are our return will end up being virtually nothing when all is said and done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 18 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: No trading Miller for a bunch of secondary assets from another team's junk drawer. If we sell Miller for a bunch of B assets chances are our return will end up being virtually nothing when all is said and done. All those guys were first round picks and I'd say Lundqvist isn't far off from Schneider. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Lundqvist, Chytil, Kravstov, 1st. I'd strongly consider taking that package and move on. I'll do that if they are willing to take Dickinson with Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Coconuts said: No question, but he didn't actually do it. When you look back at stat charts they don't factor in what if's. If Crosby had played 82 games during the 09-10 season instead of 81 he may have tied or beat out Henrik for the Art Ross, at that point he could have easily pulled out a 3-4 point game too, didn't happen. Yeah sure but if you told me that Crosby had 109 point in 81 games and had he gotten to play one more game he would have gotten 111 because he was producing at a 1.35 ppg pace at the time I’d say “yeah he probably would have have” but your not going to give a trophy to somebody on it. Being a 27 goal scorer or a 30 goal scorer is irrelevant really when talking about JT Miller the guy is a point per game, pp, pk, can play wing or center, good at faceoffs, plays with size and brings leadership. He is the best player on our team atm and is the best player potentially on the trade market. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Lundqvist, Chytil, Kravstov, 1st. I'd strongly consider taking that package and move on. That’s a tough one. That could end up as an absolute home run. On the other hand we might only end up with a third liner in the end. I think I’d lean towards getting less grade A pieces than more questionable prospects. Give us one of Kakko, Lafreniere, or Schneider and forget the other pieces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Yeah sure but if you told me that Crosby had 109 point in 81 games and had he gotten to play one more game he would have gotten 111 because he was producing at a 1.35 ppg pace at the time I’d say “yeah he probably would have have” but your not going to give a trophy to somebody on it. Being a 27 goal scorer or a 30 goal scorer is irrelevant really when talking about JT Miller the guy is a point per game, pp, pk, can play wing or center, good at faceoffs, plays with size and brings leadership. He is the best player on our team atm and is the best player potentially on the trade market. I've never once argued that Miller isn't a valuable player or that he can't contribute in several different ways. My point was specifically related to whether he's a 30 goal scorer or not, which he isn't because he hasn't scored 30 goals during a single regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: I'll do that if they are willing to take Dickinson with Miller. Would be sweet but that just kills the whole point of the deal from their standpoint. They are in win now mode, they can't take on a $3 million in dead cap for a player that might not make their starting line-up. The whole point in Miller is he's a $5.25m contract, not $7.9m. Dickie also has 2 more years left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Lundqvist, Chytil, Kravstov, 1st. I'd strongly consider taking that package and move on. I'd take it. I'd rather have Scheider, but it's not as if Lundqvist is scraps. That's still a strong package. Edit: On second thought, I'm not sure. I'd consider it, but I want Schneider. I don't care so much about Laffy or Kakko though. I don't think they're on the table, but NYR can afford to move Schneider. Edited February 17, 2022 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Would be sweet but that just kills the whole point of the deal from their standpoint. They are in win now mode, they can't take on a $3 million in dead cap for a player that might not make their starting line-up. The whole point in Miller is he's a $5.25m contract, not $7.9m. Dickie also has 2 more years left. If they don't want to pony up then that is the price they have to pay. Like above poster said, that trade is very high risk for us. Ok maybe not Dickinson but they have to take a cap dump be it Pearson or Halak and his bonuses or more realistically given the ntc/nmc take Dicky while we retain like 850k. Edited February 17, 2022 by 24K PureCool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 48 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Lundqvist, Chytil, Kravstov, 1st. 19 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Give us one of Kakko, Lafreniere, or Schneider and forget the other pieces. I've said it before, if Schneider is now 'untouchable' (and that is a debate for another time), there are other options. Miller/Schenn for K'A/Lafreniere/2nd rd pick Fills organizational needs, fits the age group, and gives cap flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, stawns said: All those guys were first round picks and I'd say Lundqvist isn't far off from Schneider. Far enough off that the Rags consider Lundqvist expendable enough to move. If they were close, one would think that the Rags would be more willing to offer up Schneider, especially if it meant that one of the other assets coming our way in the package would be a lesser one, which also leads me to believe that the other pieces Rags are offering up aren't valued too highly by them either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 22 minutes ago, DeNiro said: That’s a tough one. That could end up as an absolute home run. On the other hand we might only end up with a third liner in the end. I think I’d lean towards getting less grade A pieces than more questionable prospects. Give us one of Kakko, Lafreniere, or Schneider and forget the other pieces. Oh yeah I definitely would too but I was being ultra realistic if that's the best we can get minus the "untouchables lol", it's still a pretty decent package. I'd say Schneider is definitely more probable then the Kakko, or Lafreniere, as they would pretty much minimize the rest of the assets in the deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 41 minutes ago, DeNiro said: That’s a tough one. That could end up as an absolute home run. On the other hand we might only end up with a third liner in the end. I think I’d lean towards getting less grade A pieces than more questionable prospects. Give us one of Kakko, Lafreniere, or Schneider and forget the other pieces. I wonder if there's any chance of getting tomasino out of Nashville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 16 minutes ago, Fanuck said: I've said it before, if Schneider is now 'untouchable' (and that is a debate for another time), there are other options. Miller/Schenn for K'A/Lafreniere/2nd rd pick Fills organizational needs, fits the age group, and gives cap flexibility. You're not getting K'andre AND Laf IMO. That's basically like asking for Schneider and Laf. Not happening. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Just now, aGENT said: You're not getting K'andre AND Laf IMO. That's basically like asking for Schneider and Laf. Not happening. I don't see any reason why Laffy would be on the block, but if they did, it'd be Laffy and a first, at the very max. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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