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15 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Far enough off that the Rags consider Lundqvist expendable enough to move. If they were close, one would think that the Rags would be more willing to offer up Schneider, especially if it meant that one of the other assets coming our way in the package would be a lesser one, which also leads me to believe that the other pieces Rags are offering up aren't valued too highly by them either.

He's expendable because they already have a similar player in Fox, winning Norris trophies. 

 

One could easily argue Lundkvist is actually a slightly better prospect than Schneider. Schneider just suits our needs better as we also, already have a similar Hughes.

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1 minute ago, aGENT said:

He's expendable because they already have a similar player in Fox, winning Norris trophies. 

 

One could easily argue Lundkvist is actually a slightly better prospect than Schneider. Schneider just suits our needs better as we also, already have a similar Hughes.

it'd be nice having an elite puck mover on both sides

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50 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

I'd take it. I'd rather have Scheider, but it's not as if Lundqvist is scraps. That's still a strong package. 

 

Edit: On second thought, I'm not sure. I'd consider it, but I want Schneider. I don't care so much about Laffy or Kakko though. I don't think they're on the table, but NYR can afford to move Schneider. 

What if they say okay but he's on our no-no list so it'll have to be

 

Schnieder, Chytil, 2nd, 5th

 

Edit: Or more friendly for us.

 

Schnieder, Chytil, Cuylle/Othmann, 2nd

 

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3 minutes ago, stawns said:

it'd be nice having an elite puck mover on both sides

Yeah, I'm not opposed to Lundkvist at all. I'd certainly prefer Schneider for fit, and he's also got a decent (though lower) offensive ceiling with a more rounded game. But this "we don't want their Lundqvist junk" sentiment is silly.

 

He's a REALLY good prospect.

 

And then maybe we can package Rathbone for a young, steady #2-#3, 2 way RD...

 

GET THE ASSETS FIRST.

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Just now, Gawdzukes said:

What if they say okay but he's on our no-no list so it'll have to be

 

Schnieder, Chytil, 2nd, 5th

I'd negotiate further to bump that 2nd up to a 1st. Maybe add Schenn or Motte. Having another 1st would allow us to either trade up at the draft or have at least one 1st where we for sure pick a D; and that's huge, because I think we need to be drafting more D in the 1st or 2nd round. It's the best way to get top 4D, and it's cheaper than trading for them or overpaying via UFA. 

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1 minute ago, Coconuts said:

I'd negotiate further to bump that 2nd up to a 1st. Maybe add Schenn or Motte. Having another 1st would allow us to either trade up at the draft or have at least one 1st where we for sure pick a D; and that's huge, because I think we need to be drafting more D in the 1st or 2nd round. It's the best way to get top 4D, and it's cheaper than trading for them or overpaying via UFA. 

I don't want them to move either of those guys.  Motte has earned a rsaise and is an important player in the lineup and schenn has vastly outplayed his contract

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4 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

What if they say okay but he's on our no-no list so it'll have to be

 

Schnieder, Chytil, 2nd, 5th

I'd probably do it if it's a conditional 1st/2nd (say they make the conference finals). And I might try to squeeze Barron instead of the 5th.

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Schneider, Chytil, and a 1st has been a package bandied around these boards for a while. I think trading Miller, Motte, and possibly even Schenn for it would be fine. If we're trading all three I'd want more back from New York, but they're all pieces I'm okay with moving. 

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2 minutes ago, stawns said:

I don't want them to move either of those guys.  Motte has earned a rsaise and is an important player in the lineup and schenn has vastly outplayed his contract

I was discussing this in the Motte rumour thread, but it really depends on what Motte wants. I'm fine with keeping him, but I'm also fine with trading him. I think Lockwood or Jasek could step in and do his job for less. Would they be as good right off the hop? No, but the cap savings could be allocated elsewhere and sooner or later you've got to give prospects who aren't top prospects a chance to grab spots. Motte isn't someone I'm unwilling to move. 

 

I'm fine moving Schenn too, though I like what he brings. He doesn't cost much, surely we could find someone else who brings sandpaper on the back end for cheap. Would I like to keep him? Sure. Would I move him to facilitate a larger scale deal? Absolutely. 

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12 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

I'd negotiate further to bump that 2nd up to a 1st. Maybe add Schenn or Motte. Having another 1st would allow us to either trade up at the draft or have at least one 1st where we for sure pick a D; and that's huge, because I think we need to be drafting more D in the 1st or 2nd round. It's the best way to get top 4D, and it's cheaper than trading for them or overpaying via UFA. 

I did update it to

 

Schnieder, Chytil, Cuylle/Othmann, 2nd 

 

but

Schnieder, Chytil, 1st, low prospect

 

gives us that first rounder

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2 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

I did update it to

 

Schnieder, Chytil, Cuylle/Othmann, 2nd 

 

but

Schnieder, Chytil, 1st, low prospect

 

gives us that first rounder

Chytil is actually a nice piece for us. A big skilled third line center, which we badly need. That would make a Zacha trade redundant.

 

He can’t be the main piece of the trade though. Which is why one of Laffy, Kakko, or Schneider need to be involved.

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5 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

I did update it to

 

Schnieder, Chytil, Cuylle/Othmann, 2nd 

 

but

Schnieder, Chytil, 1st, low prospect

 

gives us that first rounder

I'd be okay with either, depends on how much management likes Cuylle or Othemann 

 

I'd like a 1st, but there's something be said for bringing in known quantities 

 

We could still use the 2nd on a D, or to package with our 1st to move up 

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2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

I think the most likely package we see if miller is traded is Lundkvist, Chytil, and a 1st. Maybe + conditional 3rd if they make the Finals.

A third line center.

 

A boom or bust defenseman.

 

A 25-32 pick.

 

Too much risk we end up with barely anything to show for our best player. An easy pass for me and hopefully JR and PA. 

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19 minutes ago, aGENT said:

You're not getting K'andre AND Laf IMO.

 

That's basically like asking for Schneider and Laf. Not happening.

Drury is going to have to do something. 

 

People think the Rangers are sitting pretty because they can afford to take on a contract like Miller's right now, but the article (below) points out that all is not right in the big apple.  A couple of things have changed since this article came out (Fox/Zib contracts for example), but the underlying concerns are still there - NY will have several young players becoming either RFA or UFA within the next three years including:  Lafreniere/Miller/Chytil/Barron/Gauthier/Lindgren/Schnieder/Jones/Hajek/Georgiev/Blais/Kakko/Kravtsov. 

 

They already gave away Buchnevich for scraps and are regretting that situation badly as he's a point-per-game player in STL right now and could end up being a 30g guy. 

 

Maybe you're not getting the cream-de-la-cream of the Rags players/prospects (maybe you are), but Drury is going to have to offload some seriously prime young players/prospects if he has any hope of keeping his 'core' together with a good enough support system around them to stay relevant in the East. 

 

https://bluelinestation.com/2021/07/27/new-york-rangers-cap-situation-bad/

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Just now, DeNiro said:

A third line center.

 

A boom or bust defenseman.

 

A 25-32 pick.

 

Too much risk we end up with barely anything to show for our best player. An easy pass for me and hopefully JR and PA. 

Lundkvist is still a top RD prospect, those are very hard to come by. Chytil is still only 22 and still has some upside as well. Can also strike gold with a late first these days due to covid scouting. I think the more bodies will be hitting the market that may lower costs maybe not, like Schefiele

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23 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Drury is going to have to do something. 

 

People think the Rangers are sitting pretty because they can afford to take on a contract like Miller's right now, but the article (below) points out that all is not right in the big apple.  A couple of things have changed since this article came out (Fox/Zib contracts for example), but the underlying concerns are still there - NY will have several young players becoming either RFA or UFA within the next three years including:  Lafreniere/Miller/Chytil/Barron/Gauthier/Lindgren/Schnieder/Jones/Hajek/Georgiev/Blais/Kakko/Kravtsov. 

 

They already gave away Buchnevich for scraps and are regretting that situation badly as he's a point-per-game player in STL right now and could end up being a 30g guy. 

 

Maybe you're not getting the cream-de-la-cream of the Rags players/prospects (maybe you are), but Drury is going to have to offload some seriously prime young players/prospects if he has any hope of keeping his 'core' together with a good enough support system around them to stay relevant in the East. 

 

https://bluelinestation.com/2021/07/27/new-york-rangers-cap-situation-bad/

Time to move on from Lafreniere and Schnieder in order to take two shots at the Cup before their cap goes to sh*t...is what I hope the Rags head office is saying.

 

 

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

He's expendable because they already have a similar player in Fox, winning Norris trophies. 

 

One could easily argue Lundkvist is actually a slightly better prospect than Schneider. Schneider just suits our needs better as we also, already have a similar Hughes.

In an age where cup winning bluelines rarely have a player under 6ft, we cannot move a prime asset for yet another small puck mover. Absolutely not.

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So I just ran the numbers for the Rangers, and I believe if they want to keep their team relatively intact for next season, we would have to retain on Miller. 

With Kakko and Blais both being RFAs, they'll need some wiggle room depending on how much those 2 are gonna want.

 

Based on my #s, if Kakko wants $1.5M and Blais $1.75M, having Miller at a full $5.25M would mean a tad under $2M in cap space for the Rangers in 2022-23.  I don't know what bonuses they have in play or anything, but I'd assume there's some, which would put them perilously close to the upper limit.

 

So with that being said, retaining on Miller is doing the NYR another favour... so pay up with Schneider you losers!

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1 minute ago, HKSR said:

So I just ran the numbers for the Rangers, and I believe if they want to keep their team relatively intact for next season, we would have to retain on Miller. 

With Kakko and Blais both being RFAs, they'll need some wiggle room depending on how much those 2 are gonna want.

 

Based on my #s, if Kakko wants $1.5M and Blais $1.75M, having Miller at a full $5.25M would mean a tad under $2M in cap space for the Rangers in 2022-23.  I don't know what bonuses they have in play or anything, but I'd assume there's some, which would put them perilously close to the upper limit.

 

So with that being said, retaining on Miller is doing the NYR another favour... so pay up with Schneider you losers!

Did you factor Miller as a direct replacement upgrade over Strome or was your scenario somehow keeping Strome in a Rangers uniform past this season? 

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