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3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

A team with Hughes and Lundkvist (likely on different pairings) isn't a "team full of Hughes" though.

 

Like I said earlier, it depends on what you surround them with. 

If it is a well balanced d core, I agree. The same can be said about forward groups. You need guys with size too to create space for the skill guys and even those types of players have skill (ex. Tom Wilson). 

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7 minutes ago, KirkSave said:

What I am getting at, is that you need all of those things. Speed, skill and come playoff time, d that can clear the crease, stand up to the pressure, throw and take hits. You need to have balance in this respect. If you had a team full of Hughes, yea you get the puck up, great first pass and skating but ni intimidation and guys going into the corner with their head on a swivel.

 

MTL made the finals last year in large part to their big 4 D, Weber, Petry, Chiarot and Edmundson. 

 

Yes, the game is much faster and more skilled but having D with size is necessarry to go far in the playoffs. 

Hughes Hamonic

Oel Lundquist

JR Myers

 

I don't see anything wrong with that as they'd have a mobile puck mover on every pair and a dependable, bigger bodied partner.  They'd also have cap space to go after ufa's as well

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3 minutes ago, stawns said:

Hughes Hamonic

Oel Lundquist

JR Myers

 

I don't see anything wrong with that as they'd have a mobile puck mover on every pair and a dependable, bigger bodied partner.  They'd also have cap space to go after ufa's as well

Looks good on paper and in theory could work well. Only issue is Hamonics so injury prone but I agree that those pairings compliment one another nicely.

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36 minutes ago, shiznak said:

Let me remind people, that the two front-runners for the Norris trophy, in the first half of the season, are both under 6’0ft and weight less than 200lbs.

For me personally, I don't care...the Norris is an INDIVIDUAL award, all I care about is the Canucks bring the Stanley Cup home to Vancouver so we can ALL party!!!

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2 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

For me personally, I don't care...the Norris is an INDIVIDUAL award, all I care about is the Canucks bring the Stanley Cup home to Vancouver so we can ALL party!!!

Well those too puny, Norris candidates are on pretty good teams, with darn good chances at a cup, so...

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30 minutes ago, shiznak said:

Let me remind people, that the two front-runners for the Norris trophy, in the first half of the season, are both under 6’0ft and weight less than 200lbs.

And we have our own in Hughes.

 

Still would prefer bigger bodies playing proper aggressive shut down roles and leave the offense to Huggy, OEL and Myers. 
Potentially Boner next year too for offense, but if he is utilized then definitely need to dispatch Poolman and Hamonic, and pick up a young NHL level version of Schenn for the 5/6.
 

I’d love for us to pick up Graves for the 3rd pairing D. He’s team first and we need that kind of grit. Reminds me of a nasty version of Brent Sopel, who for his faults was also a heart and soul guy.

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1 hour ago, gurn said:

Rutherford, making sure teams know they are going to have to pay for Miller.

Plays the media talk quite well.

Seravalli says teams have moved on to their B and C options because they feel that Vancouver is torn on what to do with Miller. 

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9 minutes ago, mll said:

Seravalli says teams have moved on to their B and C options because they feel that Vancouver is torn on what to do with Miller. 

I don't think they're torn it all. They're not giving him away for peanuts and are perfectly fine retaining him through the season if teams aren't willing to pay the price to acquire a top player for two playoff runs, on a bargain deal.

 

Why sell him at a discount and disrupt your presently hard battling team, when you can get the same offer in the summer?

 

Yeah, they're using the media.

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JT for Kevin Fiala is fricken laugh my ass off kinda of stupid deal! If we’re planning on trading JT we better be getting a First rd pick plus a 2nd and a top notch prospect! We should be trading guys like Myers, Pearson Dickinson, Poolman or Garland! Why trade our core! Open up cap room is what we should be doing! Keep our core players you cray crays! 

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5 hours ago, CaptainLinden16 said:

the term asset management borders on the absurd.  JT Miller for 2 1st round picks is good asset management.  The likelihood of those picks panning out to become JT Miller is exceptionally low forget being better than him.  The team that gets the best player in the trade wins the trade.  This is proven more often than not.  There is no way we are getting the best player when we trade Miller.  A lot people play too much video game hockey where you can always trade players as who cares on the impact in the room they are virtual hockey players.  You can always trade two assets for 1, so it makes sense to trade everyone for a 7th round pick because you can then trade 2 7th round picks for a 6th round pick...2 6th round picks for a 5th round pick and so on and so on...Because you are managing your assets.  You are always getting something for nothing.  You are always improving the asset base!  Sports is not a game of quantity.  It is a game of quality.  Quality is not obtained by trading quantity for quality.  No smart GM would do that.  Quantity is available in free agency every year.  Those same 1st round picks are available in free agency, waiver wires or simple trades every year.  Elite players are never available for a reason.  There is a good amount of luck in obtaining truely exceptional players.  When do have one, you don't trade them for quantity just to level the balance sheet.  "To manage the cap and the term and the age and the whatever."  You have to actually get a good player back not beans or maybes.  

It's abot cap issues.

Three players on ELC or as RFA is better than one UFA. 

We got depth issues and a small team that is a bit weak in playoffs.

Miller is gonna be expensive to keep and that will affect the depth. 

So trading Miller for three to four players gives depth and more options to the future as our window lies in the future, not now. 

 

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1 minute ago, Blitz-Pix said:

I'd love to know what sort of package the Rangers (Management, Media & Fans) would expect in return for Mika Zibanejad. 

I realize they're not trading him but I'm curious what they feel he's worth in a trade.

 

Last 3 years 

Mika Zibanejad - Cap hit 2022 $5,350,000 - GP 162 - Points 175

JT Miller  -           Cap Hit 2022 $5,250,000 - GP 170 -  Points 168

 

Their totals are ALMOST identical and some might say JT has accomplished more with a lesser team. 

As it stands right now, if the Rangers acquired JT Miller and inserted him into their line up he would be their 2nd leading scorer...

actually he be tied for 2nd with Zibanejad (surprise, surprise) each have 50 points but Miller has played 1 less game.

 

The big advantage is that Miller has 1 more year left on his $5,25 million contract - Next year Zibanejad's new 8 year $8.5 million AVV kicks in.

By the way, if anyone is wondering what a new Miller contract might look like - look no further (IMO)

 

So my question is simple - what would the Rangers expect in return for Zibanejad (cause IMO that's at least what Miller should be worth) 

If the Rangers don't like our asking price - who cares...they called us, we didn't call them. 

 

 

 

Yep. If the Rangers don't want to meet our demands and price for Miller, then they can miss the boat. We'll see how desperate they become as the deadline comes closer. I say they crumble, and they include Schneider in a deal for Miller. But that's just my prediction. New York's moment is now. They are in win-now mode, it seems. 

 

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