24K PureCool Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, RakuRaku said: I honestly don't know why we would entertain offers for JT... he's a leader, plays with a lot of heart and grit... and is having a career season... one more year on his contract... unless Management doesn't feel confident he'd wanna stay... The return gotta be unbelievably appealing for us to consider trading him... I know our playoff chances are slim this season but JT would be a huge piece for us to make a push next season!! Boeser on the other hand is a pending RFA... it could pose some contract negotiation challenges in summer if he demands more than $7M... so I would rather trade him if a deal makes sense!! You got to sell value to get value. Our concerns with Boeser's contract are the same concerns with the acquiring team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 I'm now thinking they should just re-sign their best forward (Miller). He brings almost everything. Boeser and Garland on the other hand, have a lot of value and I don't believe are a part of the future success of this team. They have their faults. Just a hypothetical: Miller - Horvat - Kapanen Hoglander - Pettersson - Podkolzin Motte - Zacha - ?? ?? - Lammikko - Highmore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 32 minutes ago, 24K PureCool said: Our concerns with Boeser's contract are the same concerns with the acquiring team. Not if that team has the cap room and little depth on RW - everything is relevant to your team's circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, Outsiders said: Something tells me the Rangers media and fans would laugh at an offer of Rathbone, Goldobin, Gaudette and a 1st. That's basically what they are offering us right now in terms of value, maybe even less as they are only currently offering 3 pieces I believe. Maybe JR should ask the Rangers what they want for MZ and then say yeah plus we want more since JT is on a good deal for another 1.5 seasons. Whereas MZ is getting PAID with that new contract The Mika Zibanejad side-by-side comparison is intriguing. He's signed through to 2030 at which point he'll be 36/37 with an AAV of $8.5M. I think it's a fair point to use that as a talking point in trade talks given how similar their numbers have been extrapolated over the last few seasons. What's also of interest however is whether the Canucks are comfortable moving forward with a similar roster/cap structure as NYR if Miller is re-signed. Zibanejad had been my comparable as far as AAV is concerned when considering a Miller extension. Are they confident in moving forward on a 7/8 year extension at $8.5M AAV? Maybe Miller accepts less, but why would he when he could probably get that (or more) as a UFA? If Miller's re-signed then he's effectively our #1C for the foreseeable future. It's funny because Miller as #1C was not even close to a thing when he was acquired. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 We can argue who should be moved and for what till we keel over BUT the bigger question is can this team take the next step in the re-tool WITHOUT trading a top 6 forward? there isn't much in free agency and we are asset poor to make a trade for an impact player that would move the needle for us. is there any value in guys like Dickinson, Pearson, hamonic and poolman? Those are the guys we would WANT to move just to create cap space. Pearson is probably the guy we could get a 3rd rounder for and not have to add a sweetener or retain salary. We can hate on Myers, but there isnt a replacement in free agency or in trade so we kind of need him. Hypothetically, say we move out pearson/hamonic/motte at the deadline and we create 6m in cap space for next year acquire a couple mid round picks miller-horvat-boeser hoglander-pettersson-podkolzin dickinson-XXXXX-Garland xxxxx-lamikko-highmore OEL-myers hughes-xxxxxx xxxxx-schenn Burroughs-poolman Those holes are impossible to fill in our position. As much as we don't wanna see anyone go, someone has to go to improve this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, gurn said: He has indicated no desire to trade anyone; yet is willing if the offers are good enough. Wants to hold off till they know about the play off chances, yet is willing if the offer is good enough. no rush to trade anyone, still gathering info, going to get together in the next little while and decide team direction.- but will still trade if the offers are good enough. Media runs away and repeats what he says. Mission accomplished ' You want J.T. Miller? You are going to have to pay for J.T. Miller.' Anyones for sale...if the prize is right... But the media expects all top team to get great players for nothing... Sod em... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 11 hours ago, Blitz-Pix said: I'd love to know what sort of package the Rangers (Management, Media & Fans) would expect in return for Mika Zibanejad. I realize they're not trading him but I'm curious what they feel he's worth in a trade. Last 3 years Mika Zibanejad - Cap hit 2022 $5,350,000 - GP 162 - Points 175 JT Miller - Cap Hit 2022 $5,250,000 - GP 170 - Points 168 Their totals are ALMOST identical and some might say JT has accomplished more with a lesser team. As it stands right now, if the Rangers acquired JT Miller and inserted him into their line up he would be their 2nd leading scorer... actually he be tied for 2nd with Zibanejad (surprise, surprise) each have 50 points but Miller has played 1 less game. The big advantage is that Miller has 1 more year left on his $5,25 million contract - Next year Zibanejad's new 8 year $8.5 million AVV kicks in. By the way, if anyone is wondering what a new Miller contract might look like - look no further (IMO) So my question is simple - what would the Rangers expect in return for Zibanejad (cause IMO that's at least what Miller should be worth) If the Rangers don't like our asking price - who cares...they called us, we didn't call them. Great post... Spot on all accounts... This will be Millers next contract and lets hear the media spin this one... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HKSR Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Good! I think most of you know where I stand with this. I think we NEED to keep Miller. His passion for winning should be part of our new culture moving forward. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Maybe Allvin is kinda saying the offers were crap! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EternalCanuckFan Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: Good! I think most of you know where I stand with this. I think we NEED to keep Miller. His passion for winning should be part of our new culture moving forward. I'm not necessarily sure this reads as the Canucks signing Miller long term though that is certainly on the table. IMHO, Allvin is facing the following regarding Miller: Sign Miller to an extension next year. As per earlier posts, Zibanejad is probably a good comparable for what to expect. In this case, Miller will likely be the Canucks' #1C moving forward at 30-years old for another 7-8 years. Trade Miller now for a Toffoli-esque return which I think everyone would say is insufficient. We have no idea what other teams are actually offering, but that's the best indication of what a team was prepared to offer for a non-rental scoring forward in a similar age range. If that's the best return the Canucks are being offered, then I totally understand not trading Miller right now. It's not worth it. It'll gut the current roster and not provide much promise for the future. Trade Miller now for the hoped for return that is very favorable to the Canucks. Problem of course is that this is entirely fiction until a team makes an offer the Canucks can't refuse. Obviously in this situation it will ideally set up the Canucks well in the short and long term. Trade Miller some time at or before the 2023 trade deadline for a Toffoli-esque return. At that point, if the Canucks can't get an extension done with Miller, then this might not be bad. This might prolong the mediocrity of the team while not providing much near or long term help, but it also provides more time for evaluation of players and possibly other moves that do address near and long term needs. Trade Miller some time at or before the 2023 trade deadline at greater value than the Toffoli return. Same problem as #3. Obviously other factors include potential return for other players like Brock Boeser, Conor Garland, even Bo Horvat etc. An intriguing time for the Canucks but I imagine might be difficult on the players, professionalism notwithstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: the hockey media is fuelled by idle speculation. A lot of "info" comes from teams trying to create pressure in other markets, or just hockey media looking for click bait. I have no doubt actual conversations are happening between Rutherford and other GMs, but I doubt any of the media folks have any real info on whats really on the table. this sounds to be on the table... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 dickensen for kravstov lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: this sounds to be on the table... We don't want any of the Rag's craperolla. Laugher, Crappo, Schnoodle, and the rest are all bustaroo bonsais'! Ugly city too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: We don't want any of the Rag's craperolla. Laugher, Crappo, Schnoodle, and the rest are all bustaroo bonsais'! Ugly city too. Man, when Drury calls JR/PA, I want them to hand the phone over to you so you can tell Drury and the NYR what we think of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 what do ppl think of Hoglander for Lundkvist, Nils for Nils lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 2 hours ago, mll said: Seravalli is getting that information from other teams - not from Vancouver. And where do you think the other teams got it from? Come on, @mll you're smarter than this. Have you also noticed all the info leaking out about Boeser. Gee, you think our management is using that info, other teams, and the media to get Boeser signed to a team friendly deal, pre-TDL? Like this is negotiating through the media 101 man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: what do ppl think of Hoglander for Lundkvist, Nils for Nils lol For Schneider? Yes. Lundkvist isn't making our club, ever. So no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 39 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: dickensen for kravstov lol Kravtsov was a top 10 pick and the position he got drafted is still attached to him, in terms of the value he has. Personally I would stay away from Kravtsov, because his development has been a rollercoaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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