RWJC Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, stawns said: We're you around the gdt last night. It's all Bo's fault now It’s not Bo’s fault and most people realize that. I think what is understandably in the air is now the second act of change we all expected before. that makes everyone on the roster a potential trading asset. Bo is no exception to that. He just hasn’t had as much focus as Miller or BB because of his contract. it’s totally fair to include any asset of ours in any potential scenario at this point in time. Edited February 20, 2022 by RWJC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 minute ago, RWJC said: It’s not Bo’s fault and most people realize that. I think what is understandably in the air is now the second act of change we all expected before. that makes everyone on the roster a potential trading asset. Bo is no exception to that. He just hasn’t had the focus of a Miller or BB because of his contract. it’s totally fair to include any asset of ours in any potential scenario at this point in time. Last night's loss was on Demko. We were lucky to win the previous game in SJ, when Demko was also terrible. But he was even worse last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, stawns said: I have no problem keeping Pearson and Hamonic. Should be no problem selling off Horvat either. Keep him and This team breeds a pond puppy hockey attitude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 19 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: That's all fine and dandy but Miller isn't re-signing here anyway so we might as well get something for him as he's a top notch deadline pickup. It would be dumb not to. This. Miller’s been through how many re-tools her in Van now? What new vision can be communicated that would convince him that this is the place to be. What this team has been for some time is dysfunctional. Even with Bruce’s touch, the old, pervasive habits persist. if I was Miller I’d be looking to max out in the US with a team that has a better forecast. It’s not a loyalty issue to me. It’s business. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Just now, Alflives said: Last night's loss was on Demko. We were lucky to win the previous game in SJ, when Demko was also terrible. But he was even worse last night. Last nights loss was on you. I want to trade you into another galaxy. Leave my neighbour’s cat alone, you fleabitten mongrel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Horvat. Never finished one check with vigour. Demko. Stopped pucks at a .600 rate. Got pulled after five easy ones. Guy was a sieve. Hard to compete when the goalie stinks. Bo can have a bad game. Demko can't. That's two in a row now. He had a stretch of bad games in Florida too. We rarely win when Demko is bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 minute ago, RWJC said: This. Miller’s been through how many re-tools her in Van now? What new vision can be communicated that would convince him that this is the place to be. What this team has been for some time is dysfunctional. Even with Bruce’s touch, the old, pervasive habits persist. if I was Miller I’d be looking to max out in the US with a team that has a better forecast. It’s not a loyalty issue to me. It’s business. Yeah, I can't imagine why on earth he would sign with Van unless his wife and kids had serious roots. Otherwise he has a lot of way better options for his future. Especially being American I could totally understand his desire to play out his career there as compared to here. His kids are to young to even be in school so they can be moved without much impact. As you said he seems serious about winning and there are far better options out there for that right now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJC Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Alflives said: Demko. Stopped pucks at a .600 rate. Got pulled after five easy ones. Guy was a sieve. Hard to compete when the goalie stinks. Bo can have a bad game. Demko can't. That's two in a row now. He had a stretch of bad games in Florida too. We rarely win when Demko is bad. Demko is an all star, likely would be voted as our MVP, and has carried this team probably more than any other player in the last 3 years. Hack him all you want but he is not the problem. Your tunnel vision is diluting your objectivity. Markstrom is gone, Alf, but he can still live on in your heart. let me help you…I suggest a profile name change to “Man Crush on Markstrom”. It suits you. ;p all joking aside I really do like what you bring to the forums. Alf does live! (With dementia) Edited February 20, 2022 by RWJC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: We rarely win when Demko is bad. I don't think this applies just to the Canucks, though. Most teams if they're starting goaltender is having an off night, wont win. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: I don't think this applies just to the Canucks, though. Most teams if they're starting goaltender is having an off night, wont win. That's two bad games in a row for demko. We won one and lost one. although last night was epically bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Demko deserves the lion share of the blame for last night's game. Doesn't mean that he's not still our MVP, but when goalies have bad games they get pulled. Blaming it all on Bo doesn't make any sense. He was only -1 and won 64% of his faceoffs. Sure he had a penalty that led to a goal, but it's not his fault our PK is abysmal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackdawg Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 7 hours ago, SilentSam said: Should be no problem selling off Horvat either. Keep him and This team breeds a pond puppy hockey attitude Exactly!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 7 hours ago, Alflives said: That's two bad games in a row for demko. We won one and lost one. although last night was epically bad. Yeah. But he’s also saved the Canucks more times than he’s had really bad games. I’d give him a pass for an off night. The rest of the team doesn’t show up, it doesn’t matter even if Demko does. Team game, team effort. You lose together, you win together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: Yeah. But he’s also saved the Canucks more times than he’s had really bad games. I’d give him a pass for an off night. The rest of the team doesn’t show up, it doesn’t matter even if Demko does. Team game, team effort. You lose together, you win together. This team is a bottom 5 team without Demko, it’s not even up for debate. Anyone looking to throw him under the bus for a couple poor performances needs to get Kronwalled. Edited February 21, 2022 by DeNiro 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Can't wait until someone gets traded. First team in 40 years I simply don't care about. This team seriously lacks maturity and leadership. Miller has neither. Hopefully we can Jumpstart the rebuild with him. It's no wonder the whole team acts like spoiled brats when JT is the best older player on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 45 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Can't wait until someone gets traded. First team in 40 years I simply don't care about. This team seriously lacks maturity and leadership. Miller has neither. Hopefully we can Jumpstart the rebuild with him. It's no wonder the whole team acts like spoiled brats when JT is the best older player on the team. I agree, but I think the bones are there for a good team with the right moves. To me, it's not a tear down, just a re-structuring. I also believe this is the path JB was on too........he got assets where he could, when he could and intended to use those assets to bring in the pieces he really wanted. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, stawns said: I agree, but I think the bones are there for a good team with the right moves. To me, it's not a tear down, just a re-structuring. I also believe this is the path JB was on too........he got assets where he could, when he could and intended to use those assets to bring in the pieces he really wanted. Oh yeah me too I really like some of the players. We have some skill and some hard workers. I like Bo a lot as a person and he is a good hockey player but since he was such a young captain I think it's really allowed or deteriorated to a "do what you want, or what you think is best attitude. Players need to: 1. Make sure you don't get scored on in the last 2 minutes of a period. The goal should be to think about the team, not about padding individual stats. 2. Shoot the puck on the PP like the coach tells you to. Keep it simple. 3. Don't continually make blind passes in your own end. 4. Don't pout when things aren't going your way, keep your head up. 5. Hustle on defence, not only offence. 6. Don't keep forcing the puck in your own end 7. Play as a team 7. Keep your shifts short Myers, Hughes, Miller, Boeser, etc. 8. Be ready to do your job when the puck drops It looks like pee-wee decision making out there a lot of times. It's really hard to watch. I agree JB was aware of this all along but unfortunately we lost a lot of that leadership when Beagle, Roussel, and even Louie were traded but not replaced. Not having Sutter who plays the game the right way hurt big time without those players as well. Petey, Miller, and Boeser have great offensive instincts but they don't seem to listen very well to their coaches. All in all a Miller trade, maybe Boeser as well, will bring back some assets and younger players that will benefit us in a couple years when our young guys like Bo, Petterson, Hughes, Podkolzin, and Pods find some maturity and can make the right decisions to be a winner. With the right moves I could see a completely different looking team as soon as next year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 20 hours ago, stawns said: I have no problem keeping Pearson and Hamonic. I don't either. Actually like both their games and would keep Pearson over Dickenson but I feel Hamonic is unreliable in terms of how many games he will play during the season. We can upgrade/replace him, especially if we move Miller which the return itself could be an upgrade on Hamonic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Petey Castiglione said: I don't either. Actually like both their games and would keep Pearson over Dickenson but I feel Hamonic is unreliable in terms of how many games he will play during the season. We can upgrade/replace him, especially if we move Miller which the return itself could be an upgrade on Hamonic. I wouldn't disagree on Hamonic, but I'm hopeful that's behind him and what makes me want to keep him is that he's likely going to be be cheap and will play well above his contract, as he is right now. He's a solid top 4 rhd, imo. As far as Pearson goes, you're just going to have to go out there and find another Pearson for around the same cost........why not just keep Pearson? Edited February 21, 2022 by stawns 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Oh yeah me too I really like some of the players. We have some skill and some hard workers. I like Bo a lot as a person and he is a good hockey player but since he was such a young captain I think it's really allowed or deteriorated to a "do what you want, or what you think is best attitude. Players need to: 1. Make sure you don't get scored on in the last 2 minutes of a period. The goal should be to think about the team, not about padding individual stats. 2. Shoot the puck on the PP like the coach tells you to. Keep it simple. 3. Don't continually make blind passes in your own end. 4. Don't pout when things aren't going your way, keep your head up. 5. Hustle on defence, not only offence. 6. Don't keep forcing the puck in your own end 7. Play as a team 7. Keep your shifts short Myers, Hughes, Miller, Boeser, etc. 8. Be ready to do your job when the puck drops It looks like pee-wee decision making out there a lot of times. It's really hard to watch. I agree JB was aware of this all along but unfortunately we lost a lot of that leadership when Beagle, Roussel, and even Louie were traded but not replaced. Not having Sutter who plays the game the right way hurt big time without those players as well. Petey, Miller, and Boeser have great offensive instincts but they don't seem to listen very well to their coaches. All in all a Miller trade, maybe Boeser as well, will bring back some assets and younger players that will benefit us in a couple years when our young guys like Bo, Petterson, Hughes, Podkolzin, and Pods find some maturity and can make the right decisions to be a winner. With the right moves I could see a completely different looking team as soon as next year. I know this will rile the masses, but I said long ago and still believe that there is a leadership battle in that dressing room between Miller and Bo. Now, that doesn't mean there's discord or open dissent, I just mean that if there's two "captains", that's not going to be good for the team. I think Bo is an excellent leader who is having to deal with a big, veteran personality and has let it affect his own leadership. I believed that at the start of the year and I believe it now. They need to pick a lane and move the leader they don't think is the right one. I think that's Bo, not Miller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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