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1 hour ago, flickyoursedin said:

Gadjovich and Lind are young former 2nd round pick. Both those guys have showed a ton more than Hallander has in the AHL. Hallander is going through waivers next year as I believe he’s eligible and he’s done nothing in the AHL that’s a wasted get in a return. Kapanen is okay and they don’t really have anything great in terms of prospects. Really you’d need a 1rst coming back with Kapanen to have me interested in the Penguins offer. Even still I think I’d try to find a team with better prospects.

Not saying Hallander is a sure thing or anything, but he's not a complete dud yet.

 

https://www.pensburgh.com/2021/9/8/22660689/pensburgh-top-25-under-25-4-filip-hallander

 

This was from a few months ago. They seem to believe that Hallander could be a decent bottom 6 forward and if he can have any semblance of a 3C for us, that's a decent piece back. But he really is just a project return.

 

The main piece is to get Kapanen who was utilized on the PK with Toronto and his offensive production hasn't been far off from Brock's this season. Could potentially be signed for nearly half of Brock's contract to save cap which has always been the main reason that Brock is even considered being traded.

 

I just don't think Brock is worth a 1st and roster player at this point. Especially when Kapanen is the same age. 

 

If we can get a better deal than what I suggested, great, but I don't think the return is nothing. Teams with other prospects available may not consider making the move given that they may have to spend a ton of cap to extend him. The only other team being rumoured is NJ right now as far as I can tell and I'm not sure they have much better to offer. Much rather have Kapanen than Zacha as a starting point.

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2 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Not saying Hallander is a sure thing or anything, but he's not a complete dud yet.

 

https://www.pensburgh.com/2021/9/8/22660689/pensburgh-top-25-under-25-4-filip-hallander

 

This was from a few months ago. They seem to believe that Hallander could be a decent bottom 6 forward and if he can have any semblance of a 3C for us, that's a decent piece back. But he really is just a project return.

 

The main piece is to get Kapanen who was utilized on the PK with Toronto and his offensive production hasn't been far off from Brock's this season. Could potentially be signed for nearly half of Brock's contract to save cap which has always been the main reason that Brock is even considered being traded.

 

I just don't think Brock is worth a 1st and roster player at this point. Especially when Kapanen is the same age. 

 

If we can get a better deal than what I suggested, great, but I don't think the return is nothing. Teams with other prospects available may not consider making the move given that they may have to spend a ton of cap to extend him. The only other team being rumoured is NJ right now as far as I can tell and I'm not sure they have much better to offer. Much rather have Kapanen than Zacha as a starting point.

Yeah both teams should just back out. Assets aren’t there.

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7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

No interest in Kapanen.  I'd rather target Nichushkin in free agency as well as Kuzmenko.  

 

Boeser to New Jersey for Zacha, Bahl and a 2nd round pick.  That's probably the best we can get unless the Rangers want him.  Then I'd go for Schneider and a 1st.

NJD has many more interesting pieces than Bahl/zacha:

 

Holtz

Mercer

Yegor

Shakir

ty smith

miles woods

 

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14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

No interest in Kapanen.  I'd rather target Nichushkin in free agency as well as Kuzmenko.  

 

Boeser to New Jersey for Zacha, Bahl and a 2nd round pick.  That's probably the best we can get unless the Rangers want him.  Then I'd go for Schneider and a 1st.

Schneider and a 1st >>>>>>>> Zacha, Bahl, 2nd

 

Sounds like Schneider is not even an option right now for JT Miller let alone adding a 1st as well. Zacha, Bahl and a 2nd might be more likely and honestly not a huge fan of Zacha compared to Kapanen. Bahl is another LHD, so unless the plan is to move out Rathbone, he doesn't fill a need aside from a dman with size.

 

Kuzmenko will probably have 25 other suitors, so no guarantee we get him. Nichushkin is having a "career season" and might be looking for a pay day while having missed a bunch of games this season. Seems like a recipe for a potential bad contract.

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7 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said:

NJD has many more interesting pieces than Bahl/zacha:

 

Holtz

Mercer

Yegor

Shakir

ty smith

miles woods

 

Scratch off the top 4 on the list in a trade for Boeser. Ty Smith isn't what we need. Miles Wood could be a decent add, but has missed this whole season due to injury. Would prefer if we got him instead of Zacha though and assuming we'd still get a prospect and pick as well.

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12 minutes ago, KyGuy123 said:

Yeah both teams should just back out. Assets aren’t there.

We need to resolve our cap issues and it's not like Brock is having an amazing season comparatively to Kasperi. So we get similar offensive production (while having a player that have shown to play a 200ft game) plus a potential project prospect and pick. To net that and the cap savings, I think it's worth the move.

 

I'd love to keep Brock instead, but something's gotta give. I don't think moving Miller/Horvat is the answer considering we should be utilizing Demko's steal of a contract to sort of being a window for us.

 

Im just going based on the available rumours of Pittsburgh and New Jersey being the teams calling. I'd consider other options (if any were available), but I wouldn't be upset with that return I mentioned as it replaces Boeser in some ways right now for cheaper and adds a couple of other young assets.

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41 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

No interest in Kapanen.  I'd rather target Nichushkin in free agency as well as Kuzmenko.  

 

Boeser to New Jersey for Zacha, Bahl and a 2nd round pick.  That's probably the best we can get unless the Rangers want him.  Then I'd go for Schneider and a 1st.

Why did the price go up for the Rangers because I doubt the Rangers would even entertain Schnieder for Zacha, Bahl and a 2nd but they get to anti up Schnieder and a 1rst. People are over valuing both Zacha and Bahl both guys are just okay nothing great about either one.

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18 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said:

NJD has many more interesting pieces than Bahl/zacha:

 

Holtz

Mercer

Yegor

Shakir

ty smith

miles woods

Thank you. I'm getting tired of the same old Zacha + Bahl proposals (although I understand why they're floating around).

Would rather get Shakir Mukhamadullin than Bahl. Holtz or Mercer would be amazing if we could make it work. 

Boeser could be absolute dynamite with Jack Hughes. If the Devils want him, they'll have to pay up!

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30 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

We need to resolve our cap issues and it's not like Brock is having an amazing season comparatively to Kasperi. So we get similar offensive production (while having a player that have shown to play a 200ft game) plus a potential project prospect and pick. To net that and the cap savings, I think it's worth the move.

 

I'd love to keep Brock instead, but something's gotta give. I don't think moving Miller/Horvat is the answer considering we should be utilizing Demko's steal of a contract to sort of being a window for us.

 

Im just going based on the available rumours of Pittsburgh and New Jersey being the teams calling. I'd consider other options (if any were available), but I wouldn't be upset with that return I mentioned as it replaces Boeser in some ways right now for cheaper and adds a couple of other young assets.

If they are interested we shouldn’t have to take cap back. They give us picks and prospects. Adding Kasperi or Zacha defeats the purpose in my mind, saves 2 million on the cap? I’d rather just keep Brock and let him bounce back next year. If you sign him to a one year show me deal you can still trade him before the next deadline for assets. If he plays good and earns a better contract he’s already on record saying he wants to stay and loves it here. 

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8 minutes ago, NHL'er said:

Could we pry either of the following for Brock? Brock playing in that Rangers top 6 with Strome and Panarin? My god. 

 

Schneider

Chytil

 

or 

 

Schneider

Kravtsov 

To NYR:
Boeser

Hamonic
 

To VAN:

Schneider

Kravtsov
 

Pearson-Miller-Garland

Hoglander-Pettersson-Kravtsov

Dickinson-Horvat-Podkolzin

Motte-Lammiko-Highmore

 

OEL-Myers

Hughes-Schneider 

Rathbone-Schenn

 

Demko

Martin

 

= Younger, cheaper, faster. Wubba lub dub dub. :towel:

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1 hour ago, NHL'er said:

Could we pry either of the following for Brock? Brock playing in that Rangers top 6 with Strome and Panarin? My god. 

 

Schneider

Chytil

 

or 

 

Schneider

Kravtsov 

If the Rangers are rumoured to be reluctant to give up Schneider for Miller why would they consider giving him up for Boeser? Makes no sense, there's no question as to who's currently the more valuable player between Miller and Boeser. 

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3 hours ago, Coconuts said:

If the Rangers are rumoured to be reluctant to give up Schneider for Miller why would they consider giving him up for Boeser? Makes no sense, there's no question as to who's currently the more valuable player between Miller and Boeser. 

“Reluctance and rumour”. Everyone is just spitballing :) 

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6 hours ago, KyGuy123 said:

If they are interested we shouldn’t have to take cap back. They give us picks and prospects. Adding Kasperi or Zacha defeats the purpose in my mind, saves 2 million on the cap? I’d rather just keep Brock and let him bounce back next year. If you sign him to a one year show me deal you can still trade him before the next deadline for assets. If he plays good and earns a better contract he’s already on record saying he wants to stay and loves it here. 

If he loves it here and wants to stay, then he should sign a reasonable extension that helps our team moving forward. If he wants to sign a one year show me deal, he could walk at the end of it and it would likely mean he's taking his qualifying offer of 7.5 million which we can't afford and would be forced to move another player and either have to pay to shed cap or move a more valuable player to the team.

 

IMO Kapanen and Zacha aren't cap dumps, it's simply trying to replace Boeser somewhat at a cheaper contract. We are looking to tweak/re-tool our roster. If we are straight looking to move Boeser for picks and prospects, that would be a rebuild move. We have the foundation to win and would be a waste of Demko's contract to begin a rebuild again. Teams aren't going to be offering their top prospects for Boeser, so there's no need to overrate him in such a way (eg NJ aren't offering Holtz, Mercer, Sharangovich). This isn't like Miller where we have him for another year for cheap to play hard ball with either. Boeser isn't going to get you Miller value and it's going to depend on which teams are bidding to determine the price tag. Right now it seems like NJ and Pittsburgh are the ones kicking the tires, so I'm only basing on what I think each team could offer.

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11 hours ago, theo5789 said:

I'd be interested in Kapanen, Hallander and a 2nd as a decent return from Pittsburgh. Kapanen hopefully replaces Boeser somewhat, Hallander is a young former 2nd round center project. The cap savings and potential might be worth it. Would like to get a dman, but if Pittsburgh is the team, I'd be okay with this.

I'd prefer something around Kapanen + Pierre-Olivier Joseph.

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5 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I'd prefer something around Kapanen + Pierre-Olivier Joseph.

Can we fill Boeser's minutes (top six RW and PP-1) from within?  Garland and Pods?  If we can than I can see accpting bottom six role players.  But I'd still hope we get a high end prospect too, who has a ceiling like what Bess has proven to be.

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Just now, Alflives said:

What does our owner say though, because he's got a history of being in win now mode?

I don't believe Aqua was a meddler, and if he was he's certainly learned his lesson. Rutherford doesn't want or need Aqua's opinion on how to run a team.

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