rychicken Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, aqua59 said: How much actual power does JB have right now. All moves would need approval. If I was ownership at this point I wouldn't let Jim Benning make a trade. As stated on 650 this morning no single trade fixes this mess. Forget any player movement at this point. If Jim Benning is a puppet then ownership must start realizing they better let a pro run their franchise as apposed to Francesco running through JB. It's a failure if true. That said I think there is family accountability and Aqualini wouldn't be acting alone, without family input. None the less the focus is on ownership as much as management and coaching. The brand has suffered a black eye seen by the rest of the league. The Vancouver brand is a laughing stock right now. I wouldn't let Jim Benning trade a kids school lunch at this point. Thoughts? PB&J on a good bread is underrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Fanuck said: You don't hire someone for a job at that level and then tell them not to do their job while you look for someone else. Either JB is the GM with all the rights and responsibilities associated with that position or he is relieved of his job and it's someone else's. There's no in-between. Who says theyre telling Jim anything? Most likely he has to clear any moves anyway at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Look? If we are not in the play off mix? It makes sense to trade older players who may not be part of the core when we are. As to whether it is JB who makes those decisions or not? I was on record as saying OEL was not a move I would make. He is better than Edler? But at $7 + mill, we did not have enough left over to acquire / replace what Edler did bring as a penalty killer. So we were going to be better, I thought anyway, but not a competitor. So what was the point? I wanted to build through the draft. Now we probably will revert to that. But we wasted two + years, including when we acquired Miller. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted November 23, 2021 Author Share Posted November 23, 2021 51 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: This is kind of a silly question. If they didn't still have trust in Benning, he would already be gone. I'm also not sure about the whole "One trade doesn't fix this". We're not far away, this is about balancing, not wholesale rip apart and start again. I disagree on the trade part. I'd wait on that. I do support a coaching change to at least see if if some one else can make this constructed group work. I think there needs to be new leadership, Benning doesn't necessarily have to go but he needs a hockey boss, the franchise does. Benning gets a shorter leash that way i would imagine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 5 minutes ago, aqua59 said: I disagree on the trade part. I'd wait on that. I do support a coaching change to at least see if if some one else can make this constructed group work. I think there needs to be new leadership, Benning doesn't necessarily have to go but he needs a hockey boss, the franchise does. Benning gets a shorter leash that way i would imagine. Simply, if ownership had no faith in Benning to conduct business, he would have already been dismissed. I'm not saying that they haven't asked to be consulted, but Benning is still steering the ship and is building the direction, whether fans like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux_win Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 Jim Benning is still the GM so he gets to make the decisions that GM's get to make. Is this rocket science? GCG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, VegasCanuck said: This is kind of a silly question. If they didn't still have trust in Benning, he would already be gone. I'm also not sure about the whole "One trade doesn't fix this". We're not far away, this is about balancing, not wholesale rip apart and start again. why do you think that? what has this group ever done to make you believe that? I think that it should be the case, but I don't see how you come to that conclusion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'NucK™ Posted November 23, 2021 Share Posted November 23, 2021 2 hours ago, aqua59 said: That said I think there is family accountability and Aqualini wouldn't be acting alone, without family input. Is that supposed to somehow be reassuring lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 56 minutes ago, lmm said: why do you think that? what has this group ever done to make you believe that? I think that it should be the case, but I don't see how you come to that conclusion I think that because, if they didn't still have some trust in him that he can correct course, they would have fired him, appointed someone to act as interim GM while they finalize who the new GM will be. 9 times out of 10, when a team pulls a GM out mid season, it's usually due to situations like we have, and they pretty much ALWAYS appoint a caretaker to maintain status quo while they look at a replacement. This is also a common practice in most business organizations, and Aquilini is a very experienced business guy. Bottom line is, if you don't trust the guy running your multi-million dollar hockey team, you don't delay. If he's still here, it's because they haven't lost faith yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: I think that because, if they didn't still have some trust in him that he can correct course, they would have fired him, appointed someone to act as interim GM while they finalize who the new GM will be. 9 times out of 10, when a team pulls a GM out mid season, it's usually due to situations like we have, and they pretty much ALWAYS appoint a caretaker to maintain status quo while they look at a replacement. This is also a common practice in most business organizations, and Aquilini is a very experienced business guy. Bottom line is, if you don't trust the guy running your multi-million dollar hockey team, you don't delay. If he's still here, it's because they haven't lost faith yet. 9 times out of 10 I'd agree with you 10/10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Because Benning is just a surrogate for Aquilini, and Aquilini is an inept owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 No. But did they ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Because Benning is just a surrogate for Aquilini, and Aquilini is an inept owner. Aqua has stated Benning makes all the decisions and that he supports him Why do some think it is not Jim's choice? You are defending JB or think Aqua says that to throw JB under the bus with all the bad moves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 He shouldn't be allowed to make any trades before hiring an actual NHL coach so we can see what we actually have. If he still thinks Green is fit for continued employment, he also needs to be fired as his judgment simply can't be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 4 hours ago, aqua59 said: How much actual power does JB have right now. All moves would need approval. If I was ownership at this point I wouldn't let Jim Benning make a trade. Jim Benning has been winning trades more often then not. It doesn't make sense to limit his trades, but to answer your question: Jim Benning has always had to run his trades by Aquaman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 30 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said: Aqua has stated Benning makes all the decisions and that he supports him Why do some think it is not Jim's choice? You are defending JB or think Aqua says that to throw JB under the bus with all the bad moves? They have stated this summer that all the big moves get run by the owner. So the ideas are Jim's, but he needs Aquaman's approval. They were specifically talking about the OEL deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josepho Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 38 minutes ago, ba;;isticsports said: Aqua has stated Benning makes all the decisions and that he supports him Why do some think it is not Jim's choice? You are defending JB or think Aqua says that to throw JB under the bus with all the bad moves? Do you expect him to admit to interfering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Take it with a big grain of salt because it's Taj paraphrasing Satiar Shah, but it's within the range of outcomes that ownership can force Jim to make a trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Ahhh i just posted this exact thing in another thread I did support J.B up to this season but he's had his chance to build a core and its failed - He has to either fix it with what he has or get someone new in with a different vision and direction and give them a chance to succeed on a new path with some valuable currency to succeed not the empty cupboard that J.B started with. Which i can sympathize with him over - but he's had 8 years, lots of money and lots of free reign to do it, which should be more than enough compared to our competitors and were still bottom of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 So what do the Sedin’s do ? Weren’t they being groomed to take Benning’s job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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