Miller to Pittsburg (Proposal)

[J.I.A.H.N]

Ok, I think Pittsburgh is a win now mode, and will go into a full rebuild in  2 to 3 years, once Crosby, Malkin and Letang retire. This is to give them 2 more runs at the cup.

 

To Pittsburg

 

JT Miller, (5.250 Million, 1 million retained) Poolman (2.5 Million), 2023- 3rd and 2024-1st.................money out $6,750,000)

 

To Vancouver

 

Marino (4.4 Million), Blueger (2.2 Million)and a 2022-1st, 2023 2nd......................................................Money out $6,600,000)

 

IMO, this gives us a much better, and balanced blue line, while adding a 3rd line center. While I see this as a small over payment for Vancouver, it entices Pittsburgh to give up Marino, who is in a down year.

 

Miller gives Pittsburgh a much improved player over Blueger*, while Poolman is only a smaller down grade on Marino. IMO, this fits both teams current situation, and give Pittsburg Miller for 2 serious runs at the cup. For Vancouver it gives them their picks earlier, which is closer to their young core.

 

To note* Blueger is a terrific 3rd line center, who has been pushed into a #1 center position, while Crosby and Malkin are out. Blueger is their #1 Pker, and has a 48% PK DZ face off percentage, and while not an incredible stat, his over faceoff percentage is at 53%. this and next year before UFA.

 

IMO, we may have to add, which depends on how Pittsburgh sees Marino.

 

 

[King Heffy]

Picks and prospects back if we're trading our valuable assets.

[J.I.A.H.N]

1 minute ago, King Heffy said:

Picks and prospects back if we're trading our valuable assets.

Marino is 24 on a 4.2 M contract..............he is a #3 IMO

[qwijibo]

2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Picks and prospects back if we're trading our valuable assets.

Pittsburgh (like Vancouver) are into LTIR overages.  Very few teams have the cap space to do a deal for pucks and prospects. The teams that do have the cap discs wouldn’t be interested in an older, short term asset like Miller. 

[mll]

Could see them interested in Miller but not for that package.  

 

Pittsburgh are in win now mode and are highly unlikely be removing roster players who are important to their success.

 

Marino plays 22:30 per game and is their top PKer.  It simply doesn’t make sense to trade him when they want to win before the Crosby era is over.  Blueger is their top PKer.  

 

Drance polled executives and pro-scouts and they have Poolman as a negative value contract.  

 

Pittsburgh probably more willing to offer picks/prospects as their aim is to keep that Crosby window open.  

 

Zucker hasn’t fit in Pittsburgh so would think he could be the one they’ll offer to move to make the cap work.  Probably has Vancouver on his no trade though.  Vancouver were apparently interested when the Wild were shopping him.

 

Don’t see how it helps Vancouver though and don’t see Benning wanting to trade Miller unless it’s not for hockey reasons.  

[J.I.A.H.N]

47 minutes ago, mll said:

Could see them interested in Miller but not for that package.  

 

Pittsburgh are in win now mode and are highly unlikely be removing roster players who are important to their success.

 

Marino plays 22:30 per game and is their top PKer.  It simply doesn’t make sense to trade him when they want to win before the Crosby era is over.  Blueger is their top PKer.  

 

Drance polled executives and pro-scouts and they have Poolman as a negative value contract.  

 

Pittsburgh probably more willing to offer picks/prospects as their aim is to keep that Crosby window open.  

 

Zucker hasn’t fit in Pittsburgh so would think he could be the one they’ll offer to move to make the cap work.  Probably has Vancouver on his no trade though.  Vancouver were apparently interested when the Wild were shopping him.

 

Don’t see how it helps Vancouver though and don’t see Benning wanting to trade Miller unless it’s not for hockey reasons.  

Do you actually consider dance as a good source? Really? I can't stand the guy.  IMO, he does not know hockey all that well and repeats what others say.

 

But in saying that....IMO Poolman is a 4/5 for an average team, and a 5/6 on a good team. His value is in that he is a RHD.

 

And again, in saying that, Millers on ice contributions are extremely undervalued here. 

 

Take a look at the last 100 trades or so.........no one of Millers ilk, have been available. Not counting Eichel who was damaged goods, and would have gotten a hell of alot more if healthy, regardless of his demands to get out of Buffalo

 

Brendon Dillon got 2- 2nds for crying out loud.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by J.I.A.H.N

[Tank4Bedard]

2 hours ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

2024-1st.

NO

[J.I.A.H.N]

5 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

NO

why?

[mll]

21 minutes ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

Do you actually consider dance as a good source? Really? I can't stand the guy.  IMO, he does not know hockey all that well and repeats what others say.

 

But in saying that....IMO Poolman is a 4/5 for an average team, and a 5/6 on a good team. His value is in that he is a RHD.

 

And again, in saying that, Millers on ice contributions are extremely undervalued here. 

 

Take a look at the last 100 trades or so.........no one of Millers ilk, have been available. Not counting Eichel who was damaged goods, and would have gotten a hell of alot more if healthy, regardless of his demands to get out of Buffalo

 

Brendon Dillon got 2- 2nds for crying out loud.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not his opinion but of his sources - executives and pro-scouts.  

 

Would expect Miller to bring back a solid return but in futures if you are dealing with Pittsburgh.   I just don't see Pittsburgh weakening their roster for him when they have so few years left with Crosby.  That's why I believe they would offer futures instead.  They need to make the cap work as they don't have room to add him otherwise and could see them using Zucker to balance the cap.  

 

Not sure futures is what Vancouver will want in a Miller trade though.   I am also not convinced they want to trade him.  He wears an A and has been their most productive player.  

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by mll

[Tank4Bedard]

50 minutes ago, J.I.A.H.N said:

why?

U never trade a 1st that is that deep into the future. You never know what might happen. aka we can be dog trash and we give up a lottery pick

[J.I.A.H.N]

3 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

U never trade a 1st that is that deep into the future. You never know what might happen. aka we can be dog trash and we give up a lottery pick

Of Course teams trade first that way.....not often, but they do

 

The reason I would do it, is despite all the doom and gloom, I think we have a great young core, and I want to condense our assets. Getting a 1st this year and a 2nd next, does that............

 

I think in some years that would not be a great idea, but truthfully, the next 2 years are deep. "They", who ever they are, say that the 1st round talent goes deep into the second round this year..............next year is suppose to be much the same.

 

With our young guys........

 

Pettersson, Boeser, Garland, Hoglander, Podkolzin, Hughes, Rathbone, Demko, MDP, Silvos, Lockwood, Klimovich, Woo and maybe McDonough

 

If you look at our own picks at that time, we have 2022-1st, 2023-1st and a 2023-2nd, getting another 1st and 2nd in that time frame, strengthens our chances, "IF" we wait and stretch it out, then we may find our kids are getting old and getting closer to those UFA years...........someone said Tampa has 12 picks in their line-up, but the others come from trades, and UFA's who want to go there.........

 

It is why you hear rumblings of Pettersson wanting to be competitive .hear say, yes, but competitive people like to win.

 

So........I grasp at straws, like everyone else..............

[Elias Pettersson]

If Pittsburgh is in win now mode why would they trade their top 2 penalty killers and downgrade their roster?  If anything, they would want to ADD Miller to what they have and give up picks and prospects.  In order to make a trade with a contender we would need to take back cap.  In this case as @mll has already mentioned the only logical player coming back to Vancouver would be Zucker.  I would ask for their 2022 1st, 2023 2nd and Zucker.

 

I'm pretty sure if Miller continues to play the way he is that he will fetch a big price at trade deadline when the cap is more manageable for most contenders.  A 1st and a top prospect would be the minimum that should be coming back.  Pittsburgh has already traded their last 2 1st round picks so not sure how much appetite they have to trade their 2022 1st.  Also, their drafting has been horrible for the last 6 drafts.  They have zero homegrown draft picks on their roster since 2016.