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10 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

Yeah I agree. 

They feel defeated because even when they try extremely hard and outshoot other teams, they still lose because they're playing a broken system. I think it's also pretty revealing how much weaker our defense is without Edler and Tanev - they really covered up for everyone elses mistakes. OEL is a better all around defenseman than Edler, but Edler became a better defensive specialist. Tanev was.. Tanev. 

Its no surprise that we're horrendous when we've got Tyler freaking Myers on the pk lol. 

Fire the coach, beef up the defense, get a 3C that can win faceoffs and shutdown opponents top lines, and I think things can actually turn around. But beefing up the defense means getting rid of Myers somehow.. 

Why the hell hasn't either of Edler, Tanev, Marky, suffered an injury yet? 

I mean with us it wasn't a matter of if, but when and how many. 

Maybe we are cursed... 

But agree defence is no.1 priority. 

Demko is as solid mentally as they come. But he's only human. 

He needs help now!!! 

Unfortunately part with a couple higher end forwards, for some above average d men. 

If teams will even part with them I guess.

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1 minute ago, Vancan2021 said:

Why the hell hasn't either of Edler, Tanev, Marky, suffered an injury yet? 

I mean with us it wasn't a matter of if, but when and how many. 

Maybe we are cursed... 

But agree defence is no.1 priority. 

Demko is as solid mentally as they come. But he's only human. 

He needs help now!!! 

Unfortunately part with a couple higher end forwards, for some above average d men. 

If teams will even part with them I guess.

Tanev and Edler both were injured multiple times blocking shots. Which I definitely get is part of their job description, but Travis Greens PK is letting the opposing team set up for the full 2 minutes and just unload as many shots as they want. 

Pretty sure theyre not getting injured as much b/c theyre both playing in smarter defensive systems where they dont have to block a shot every 10 seconds. 

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3 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said:

green has a long record of destroying everyone and everything he touches.  Go ahead and name one single player that has elevated their game after being surpressed and controlled under green for a bit of time?   Just try.

Wild that all you need to do to get a job as a NHL head coach is make the playoffs 50% of the time as an AHL coach.


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1 hour ago, CanucksJay said:

I think you hit the nail on the head

This team isnt a team

They dont play for each other

Case in point is a couple games ago when Hughes got nailed and then skated the full length of the ice to cross check the guy that hit him.

No other team would let their undersized young star D-man get nailed and do nothign about it.

Elias is a great hockey player but he also loves the limelight, celebrities and social media. He's the type to leave the rink as soon as game is done and go hang out with his social circle rather then bond with a teammate.

We have a bunch of great individual players but they aren't a team.

 

In hindsight, I blame the staff and the leaders of this team like Horvat for being too relaxed about everything.

Overtime, they let apathy creep in and now we have ourselves a messy problem.

Have we even had a closed door players meeting yet? Do they even care at this point?

 

We've already let Green stay on way too long and it's prbably caused even more damage to the psyche and the team unity.

Had we changed coaches 10 games ago, our PP, PK and overall systems may have improved leading to more wins and the team getting  re-engaged. They may not be best buddies off the ice but focusing on winning could at least unite them.

 

What we have ourselves now is a bigger problem.  Even if we replace a coach for a genius, they now have the uphill battle of makign the players care again.

A lot of damage has already been done.  Best case scenario is a coaching change is made and the improved systems sparks everyone but it's looking more and more like a coachign change may not necessarily fix all the problems and that I blame on JB and Aquaman.

 

 

Let me take that a step further,  Green should have never been re-signed along with Benning.   They are well past their best before dates and I strongly advocated (as many others did) that they both be let go last season and here we are today with chapter 9 in the never ending saga of failure and disappointment.   Aqua-lini has shown little ability to manage this team and should either hire someone experienced to independantly act as sole custodian of this asset without interference - or sell the team.

 

This Circus Act Cannot Continue! 

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7 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

Wild that all you need to do to get a job as a NHL head coach is make the playoffs 50% of the time as an AHL coach.


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Yes, that is something that has been raised in the past and reflects Jim's bad decision making abilities not only with green, but Uncle Willy, bad signings, terrible trades, mishandling of assets, watching players walk out the door (for nothing in return), players demanding to get out of here, putting together a team of incompatible players and a host of other failures.    Isn't that enough Aqua-Lini?

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6 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Actually I could see us go on a short winning streak (provided Demko gets all the starts in this streak) which will only give a false impression on the state of the club.  I clearly don't want the team to ever lose but something really needs to be fixed.

At some stage they will go on a run.... when its all irrelevant...

moral victories. 
Used to be supportive of them winning games, but.... nahhhh this is bad beyond belief. 
Said at the start of the season, I would take stock after 20 games....

20 games have passed and I think, the games speaks for themselves...

This team is broken. Fun thing... all the 'overpaid' vets, took the hard lifting, starting with Beagle... man it would have been good to have a Beagle in our defensive core now. 
Motte aside we're a train wreck...

 

Green should be sacked yesterday, but at this point question is probably between

A. Keep Green and suck for a top draft pick

B. Will keeping Green destroy the confidence of the young players beyound repair?

 

If they keep Green, I want them to bench the best player from the previous game, so we don't go on the usual cinderella run and rise 5-10 positions in the standings. 
 

And then at the end of the season fire Green and all his dump and chase systems that obviously doesn't work at all with this group of players....

 

What a joke it all is... this team was definitely going to compete for a playoff spot... #myass

 

Probably get a new coach in, steady the ship and pick top 10-15 is whats gonna happen. Oh to be a Canucks fan...

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1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

If they want to take a stab at making it then they are going to have to get rid of Green - this coming from someone who has been one of his last supporters. I think Green is a good coach, but this team needs a shakeup if there is any hope. 

 

It just comes down to whether they believe in this core or not, then there is also trade requests as you say which could make the decision for them

 

 

It'll be interesting to see what happens, because I'm not sure management believes they can claw their way back into things. Despite Benning's presser the other day it's been pretty quiet. 

 

But yeah, even if Green lasts the season I don't see him lasting the length of his contract. Maybe he's a better coach than the team looks, but I'm not convinced. It's on the players as well, no question, but these twenty games have been a mess. 

 

Unless they can find a way to fix their PK and start scoring they aren't going anywhere, and unless Sutter miraculously returns we don't have the PK personnel. 

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1 hour ago, Vancan2021 said:

This team playing the way they should be a +600 team at a minimum. Which over 60 games will be a playoff spot. 

However I don't see it this year. 

They will replace the coach after Christmas, then spend the remaining games learning his system and all gaining trust. 

They just better not win 17 of there last 20 and get themselves 3 points out, and loose our typical slightly below 10th over all, that the NHL makes sure we only get. 

I'm not even sure he makes it to Christmas, if we continue to lose more than we win there will be boos and chants at home games. It's pretty ugly in Vancouver nowadays, and the people sitting in seats aren't stupid. I think. 

 

But yeah, if we're gonna miss we're better off missing hard at this point. Being stuck in no man's land at the draft would be yet another blow. 

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7 minutes ago, RU SERIOUS said:

Yes, that is something that has been raised in the past and reflects Jim's bad decision making abilities not only with green, but Uncle Willy, bad signings, terrible trades, mishandling of assets, watching players walk out the door (for nothing in return), players demanding to get out of here, putting together a team of incompatible players and a host of other failures.    Isn't that enough Aqua-Lini?

I'd bet anything if Jimbo had no 1 picks he'd take Dahlin over Hugh's, and Hirchieor over Petterson. He didn't really steal the drafts, and found gifts, others were ranked high, and most ranked higher were taken. More of a lack of elimination really. 

Still up in the air those two are going to be premier players in there positions anyway.

It's still legendary how Burke worked his magic getting the twins 2&3. 

That's a gm on draft Day. 

 

 

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40 minutes ago, N4ZZY said:

Nope. That was “go-to-hell Michael Heisley”

 

ROT IN HELL MICHAEL. 

 

oh right. I remember when our family had season tix to the canucks and half season for the grizzlies.

So pissed...

It started wrong when we hired Stu Jackson as the GM.

We drafted Big Country and Isiah drafted Stoudemire and the 2 franchises went their separate trajectories.

Followed up by drafting no show Francis and then hinging our hopes on 3rd option man Shareef Abdul Rahim

I'm still choked when I see Memphis Grizzlies

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17 minutes ago, alucard said:

Just once go with common sense,

Fire the management that has failed us after seven years,

I was fan of them till last year, but they are just not good enough.

Hire best GM available who hires the best coach available.

Trade FOR picks and build through draft,

Just simple things,

Yup

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