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Green needs to stop punishing Pettersson on the third line... put him with Garland and Podkolzin and let them be creative... may save his job.

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Watching the game, it was obvious Green has decided to single out Pettersson for punishment... from the conversation on the bench, to his reduced ice time, to putting him on the third line with Chiasson and Lammikko.

 

Green is clearly not smart enough to see what is in front of his eyes... that the only hidden gem to come out of his own incessant line juggling is that the combination of Garland/Pettersson/Podkolzin has huge chemistry.  I have only seen this matchup two or three times, but it is clearly dynamic... there is great interaction and it is a natural fit.  Podkolzin has the physical ability to take it to the net or muscle past defenders, both Garland and Pettersson can pass... they all can skate... Pettersson has a great shot if he is given a little confidence and Green gets off his back.  Green should just let them play and be creative.

 

Unfortunately Green is not allowing them any time together or any chance to prove what they can do... for some reason he just can't see that this line could save him his job.

 

The other line which is working is Hoglander, Miller and Boeser... they also have great chemistry and a fluid style.  Boeser may not have scored this game, but he had a ton of chances when this line was together and HE WILL score if they keep playing together  But again, they are not getting the time to get familiar with each other.  

 

The Pearson/Horvat/Motte line also works well together... they have a similar heavy style and this is really the only real line where a dump and chase and work the boards can pay off.  Motte is a lot more physical than his actual size would suggest and he can pass the puck well.  Pearson is solid as a net front presence and has an underrated shot.  Both Horvat and Motte are capable of busting through the defense.  This is a decent shut down line too.


Why we are continuing to see Jason Dickenson get top six time when he clearly does not have the skills to play there is a mystery.  Every game I watch him miss gold plated chances.  Not to mention the fact he takes way too many penalties.

 

Lamikko, Dickenson and Chiasson should be limited to the 4th line.  In fact, Chiasson should be immediately waived and replaced with anyone else... just about anyone would be an improvement.

 

The other change which is desperately needed is for the D not to gamble as much.... they are getting burnt with way too many 2 on 1's... They should be told to stay at home unless there is a gold plated opportunity.

 

Green:  Go back and watch the freaking tapes!

 

PS:  Demko should get a bonus for performing above and beyond the call of duty.

 

 

 

 

 

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Dickenson is such a waste of money that its not funny. Cant win faceoffs (23%), cant score, cant play that good as a 2 way defensive forward 5 on 5, cant be used on PP due to lack of offense, mediocre PK guy as evidenced by our PK %. Basically a guy that doesnt do anything great yet average or below average in other areas. Dickenson should have been similar to a malhotra as a number 3 C not a 4th line average center.

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11 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Watching the game, it was obvious Green has decided to single out Pettersson for punishment... from the conversation on the bench, to his reduced ice time, to putting him on the third line with Chiasson and Lammikko.

 

Green is clearly not smart enough to see what is in front of his eyes... that the only hidden gem to come out of his own incessant line juggling is that the combination of Garland/Pettersson/Podkolzin has huge chemistry.  I have only seen this matchup two or three times, but it is clearly dynamic... there is great interaction and it is a natural fit.  Podkolzin has the physical ability to take it to the net or muscle past defenders, both Garland and Pettersson can pass... they all can skate... Pettersson has a great shot if he is given a little confidence and Green gets off his back.  Green should just let them play and be creative.

 

Unfortunately Green is not allowing them any time together or any chance to prove what they can do... for some reason he just can't see that this line could save him his job.

 

The other line which is working is Hoglander, Miller and Boeser... they also have great chemistry and a fluid style.  Boeser may not have scored this game, but he had a ton of chances when this line was together and HE WILL score if they keep playing together  But again, they are not getting the time to get familiar with each other.  

 

The Pearson/Horvat/Motte line also works well together... they have a similar heavy style and this is really the only real line where a dump and chase and work the boards can pay off.  Motte is a lot more physical than his actual size would suggest and he can pass the puck well.  Pearson is solid as a net front presence and has an underrated shot.  Both Horvat and Motte are capable of busting through the defense.  This is a decent shut down line too.


Why we are continuing to see Jason Dickenson get top six time when he clearly does not have the skills to play there is a mystery.  Every game I watch him miss gold plated chances.  Not to mention the fact he takes way too many penalties.

 

Lamikko, Dickenson and Chiasson should be limited to the 4th line.  In fact, Chiasson should be immediately waived and replaced with anyone else... just about anyone would be an improvement.

 

The other change which is desperately needed is for the D not to gamble as much.... they are getting burnt with way too many 2 on 1's... They should be told to stay at home unless there is a gold plated opportunity.

 

Green:  Go back and watch the freaking tapes!

 

 

 

Makes sense to me but what do I know...

I like all of your line combos.

 

 

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2 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Watching the game, it was obvious Green has decided to single out Pettersson for punishment... from the conversation on the bench, to his reduced ice time, to putting him on the third line with Chiasson and Lammikko.

 

Green is clearly not smart enough to see what is in front of his eyes... that the only hidden gem to come out of his own incessant line juggling is that the combination of Garland/Pettersson/Podkolzin has huge chemistry.  I have only seen this matchup two or three times, but it is clearly dynamic... there is great interaction and it is a natural fit.  Podkolzin has the physical ability to take it to the net or muscle past defenders, both Garland and Pettersson can pass... they all can skate... Pettersson has a great shot if he is given a little confidence and Green gets off his back.  Green should just let them play and be creative.

 

Unfortunately Green is not allowing them any time together or any chance to prove what they can do... for some reason he just can't see that this line could save him his job.

 

The other line which is working is Hoglander, Miller and Boeser... they also have great chemistry and a fluid style.  Boeser may not have scored this game, but he had a ton of chances when this line was together and HE WILL score if they keep playing together  But again, they are not getting the time to get familiar with each other.  

 

The Pearson/Horvat/Motte line also works well together... they have a similar heavy style and this is really the only real line where a dump and chase and work the boards can pay off.  Motte is a lot more physical than his actual size would suggest and he can pass the puck well.  Pearson is solid as a net front presence and has an underrated shot.  Both Horvat and Motte are capable of busting through the defense.  This is a decent shut down line too.


Why we are continuing to see Jason Dickenson get top six time when he clearly does not have the skills to play there is a mystery.  Every game I watch him miss gold plated chances.  Not to mention the fact he takes way too many penalties.

 

Lamikko, Dickenson and Chiasson should be limited to the 4th line.  In fact, Chiasson should be immediately waived and replaced with anyone else... just about anyone would be an improvement.

 

The other change which is desperately needed is for the D not to gamble as much.... they are getting burnt with way too many 2 on 1's... They should be told to stay at home unless there is a gold plated opportunity.

 

Green:  Go back and watch the freaking tapes!

 

PS:  Demko should get a bonus for performing above and beyond the call of duty.

 

 

 

 

 

If Green knew how to be a winner in the NHL - he would had done, it already; and continuing, to recycle the same mediocre solution proves: he is clueless & a mediocre coach at best.   The same can be said, for Aquaman & crew; and a desperate trade will confirm they have no clue, as well.

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Green is running out of time.   I have zero issue with him giving EP the minutes he actually deserves.    It's not unusual either.   Torts would have probably already done this a week or two ago.   Or even put him in the press box.   Ice time is the biggest thing a coach can do to manage the outcome of a game, as well as the outcome of future games.    EP needs a swift kick in the arse .... so do a few others really.   He's trying to motivate him.   Personally if i was part of the coaching staff, i'd have EP doing squats and deadlifts 3 times a week on top of a regular strength program.    That frame is his kryptonite but doesn't have to be.    Smaller guys manage because they are fitness freaks.    Show me a small player and try and find one that wasn't extremely strong for their size and built like a little tank.    Was also OJ's failing.    Sure working on your skills matters too.   Reality is any of these guys that isn't putting 40 hours a week into their craft isn't trying hard enough.    EP... well he's richer then sh!t now.   14-15 guaranteed after tax money is a lot more then folks make in a lifetime.   And he will barely be shaving properly when it's done.   Entitlement ... i'm starting to wonder if that's something Green is fighting against in the locker room.   Valks comments rang pretty true to me.    These guys have never faced real life adversity.   Where it means life or death in some cases, or food on the table. 

  

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Pettersson was playing with Garland and Podkolzin to start the game.  Things were shaken up towards the end of the 2nd and in the 3rd and he was playing with Pearson-Motte.   He only played 30 seconds with Lammikko per the shift charts.  

 

Here's the shift chart of the game.  It shows who is on the ice at the same time:

http://www.nhl.com/stats/shiftcharts?id=2021020295

 

Pettersson got 23 shifts - that's 1 more than Horvat and Boeser.  Average shift length 33 seconds vs 48-50 seconds.  His lower ice time might have to do with circumstances like stoppage in plays where lines then get changed or him going to the bench earlier for a change.    

 

Green takes a look at stats during intermission.  He says he looks at scoring chances in particular.  Natural Stat Trick had the Petttersson line with Podkolzin/Garland being out-chanced 4 to 2 with an expected goal for percentage of only 15%.  With Pearson they went 2 for 0 in scoring chances. 

 

He's not playing with a lot of confidence.  When that happens it's not unusual for coaches to put the player on a working line - ie don't force him to create just get out there and keep things simple and go back to basics.  Some coaches have used that approach with their skilled players to help them build their confidence back up and more recently the Wild with Kaprizov.

 

It sometimes hurts a player more to put him on a scoring line and ask him to produce when his confidence isn't there.  

 

Green obviously knows what Pettersson can do when he is on his game.  I would hope that any demotion is to try and help him get back on his game.  Several teams look to have been adjusting to more personalised coaching where they try and know players also off the ice to understand what's the best approach to get the most out of them - skills/upside and personalities of players are widely different where some players need to be encouraged, others need tough love, etc.

 

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6 hours ago, DefCon1 said:

Dickenson is such a waste of money that its not funny. Cant win faceoffs (23%), cant score, cant play that good as a 2 way defensive forward 5 on 5, cant be used on PP due to lack of offense, mediocre PK guy as evidenced by our PK %. Basically a guy that doesnt do anything great yet average or below average in other areas. Dickenson should have been similar to a malhotra as a number 3 C not a 4th line average center.

Dickinson isn't the same guy that Dallas had.   To me he's like what Motte is going to get in his next deal IF Motte was healthy.   And was never supposed to be our 3rd C.  Just another guy who can play both positions.   To me Motte Sutter Dickinson was supposed to be our fourth line eventually.   And don't have any problem spending some money on our bottom six.   All those "bad contracts" well aside from LE ... guess what!   They actually helped us have a decent PK.    Like Poolman, playing above his weight class but somehow expected to be the "man".   Guess who Vegas had as their 3C and then guess how much he was getting paid ... sometimes fourth C too - as in the "bubble".     Look at TB too... Johnson lol.  Before that Miller.   Good teams have the cap space for a 5 plus million 3rd C.   We have one right now too if only EP could play to his potential which no freaking way we will see that this year.     

 

Instead Miller is still sheltering EP...killing penalties ( because only him and Pearson  can somewhat manage it) etc.   If only EP finally broke out right?   He hasn't.    So Miller is stuck being our best player which he for sure is.  Just like Stastny could be but didn't in Vegas and with WNP was so horny to get him.  Vegas is going to be an absolute monster when Eichel arrives.  

 

Got off point.   The point is - if you want an elite  3rd C you either have to draft it yourself OR expect to pay 4-5.5   We have one right now in Miller.    Who won't be making that for long. 

 

Edit:  We have another elite 3rd C in Horvat too.   Our team strength was supposed to be EP/Miller/Horvat .... Dickinson 4th ... Sutter 4th when he's available.   Too bad EP has been playing the way he has isn't it? 

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I don't like your headline, If anything EP is punishing everyone who wants to see him play. team included

He has been gifted Far too much PP time and not earning any of it and all it has done is give him some easier underwhelming numbers

He should be on the farm, if they never required waivers- Just like they were able to in the past

 

 

 

 

 

 

Gordie Howe said pay me what you want 9I just love playing and making money playing)

Players now hold out and still get automatic increases on expiring contracts

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43 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Petey hasn't earned anything this year. 

 

We have seen different lines plummet after he's been put on those lines. 

 

If they scratch him then so be it. At this point I would take Stuzle from Ottawa in a straight up swap without batting an eye. 

How about instead of getting rid of a player who's value is at his lowest, they coach him to his full potential. Did you not watch him his first couple years in the league? He was incredible. You have to let your best players have a bad year here and there, or you'll be trading great players every year. Imagine trading Mackinnon after his 38 point season, or marchand after his 42pts. Or even Henrik sedin, who had 42 points in his 4th nhl season, and he hadn't even show us a great season yet. Maybe i'm just crazy for seeing so much potential in him. 

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