Ilya Mikheyev Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 To Toronto: Winnipeg's 3rd round pick, Alex Chiasson (or Justin Dowling, Toronto would immediately waive either) To Vancouver: Justin Holl Canucks waive Brad Hunt immediately after Why? - This is based partly on Toronto bloggers - there seems to be a growing consensus that Toronto will move one of their D for cap space, and try to add a veteran C at the deadline. Justin Holl seems like the odd man out after spending a few games as a health scratch - Justin Holl - he's a player who looked like he had solidified himself as a top-4 defenseman over the past 3 seasons in a two-way, sometimes shutdown role on the right-side, but has been outplayed but a pretty deep Leafs' defense - Myers and Poolman have both struggled in top-4 roles, leaving a hole in the top-4 even when Hamonic is allowed to play - Hamonic being gone has shown how much the defense declines in the face of one injury - Holl can kill penalties - something the Canucks need support with badly. At 6'4, 205 pounds, he's also a smoother skater who has shown he can put up 20+ points OEL - Holl Hughes - Hamonic Myers - Poolman Burroughs, Schenn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 I like Holl. This isn't enough imo. Leafs will want more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted November 27, 2021 Author Share Posted November 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: I like Holl. This isn't enough imo. Leafs will want more. What do you think his value is? I'm basing this off one blogger on EditorinLeaf who said they should trade him to LA for a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 He was carried by Muzzin. If he can't even crack Toronto's defence, which is absolutely dreadful, I wouldn't waste the roster spot on him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Teemu Selänne said: What do you think his value is? I'm basing this off one blogger on EditorinLeaf who said they should trade him to LA for a 3rd. Maybe like Motte and a 3rd or 4th 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, King Heffy said: He was carried by Muzzin. If he can't even crack Toronto's defence, which is absolutely dreadful, I wouldn't waste the roster spot on him I know we all hate Toronto but they have the 2nd best GAA in the East so I am curious as to how you can call their defence "absolutely dreadful"? The statistics don't seem to back that claim. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Just now, Rick Blight said: I know we all hate Toronto but they have the 2nd best GAA in the East so I am curious as to how you can call their defence "absolutely dreadful"? The statistics don't seem to back that claim. The only defensemen who can actually play defence on that blueline are Muzzin and Brodie. Remainder are AHL quality at best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, King Heffy said: The only defensemen who can actually play defence on that blueline are Muzzin and Brodie. Remainder are AHL quality at best. So how can a team with 4 AHL capable, at best, D-men have the 2nd best GAA in the East. What is their secret? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Rick Blight said: So how can a team with 4 AHL capable, at best, D-men have the 2nd best GAA in the East. What is their secret? They're getting lucky. Which other defenceman there is capable of playing like an NHLer in his own zone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, King Heffy said: They're getting lucky. Which other defenceman there is capable of playing like an NHLer in his own zone? I doubt luck is the deciding factor after 22 games so there must be something else. I guess their team defensive structure could be elite and cover up their deficiencies but I doubt it. I don't think it is elite goaltending although Campbell has been quite good. That only leaves the D group and I can only believe the individual pieces are better than we give them credit for or they are able to gel as a group for some reason.. Personally, I think it is simply that Rielly, Holl and Sandin are a little better that we think they are. They are doing something right defensively and we could only hope that our D could have the same results. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnBurner Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 40 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: Maybe like Motte and a 3rd or 4th Why would you trade Motte? He's one of the hardest working players we have. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: I doubt luck is the deciding factor after 22 games so there must be something else. I guess their team defensive structure could be elite and cover up their deficiencies but I doubt it. I don't think it is elite goaltending although Campbell has been quite good. That only leaves the D group and I can only believe the individual pieces are better than we give them credit for or they are able to gel as a group for some reason.. Personally, I think it is simply that Rielly, Holl and Sandin are a little better that we think they are. They are doing something right defensively and we could only hope that our D could have the same results. I find that hard to believe, especially since Rielly has established himself to be incapable of playing any defence whatsoever. Malhotra is probably helping a bit to hide some of the weaknesses, but they'll be exposed in the playoffs again. Any guy who can't crack a lineup desperate enough to keep Rielly isn't a guy we want. Wait until their career backup goalie comes back to his real level of ability and they'll get ventilated. Edited November 27, 2021 by King Heffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 if TO is NOT Taking Poolman or Dickinson back then no thanks. Kerfoot would be a nice fit here for our 3rd line, but doesn't seem like the Laffs would trade him after they traded for McCann to protect him in expansion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 1 hour ago, 73 Percent said: I like Holl. This isn't enough imo. Leafs will want more. is he an upgrade tho? one worth losing any assets over? If we're moving Motte to the Leaves I'd like a 2nd and b-prospect back, otherwise they can go pound sand. Motte gives them a ton of depth 5 on 5 and PK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Teemu Selänne said: To Toronto: Winnipeg's 3rd round pick, Alex Chiasson (or Justin Dowling, Toronto would immediately waive either) To Vancouver: Justin Holl Canucks waive Brad Hunt immediately after Why? - This is based partly on Toronto bloggers - there seems to be a growing consensus that Toronto will move one of their D for cap space, and try to add a veteran C at the deadline. Justin Holl seems like the odd man out after spending a few games as a health scratch - Justin Holl - he's a player who looked like he had solidified himself as a top-4 defenseman over the past 3 seasons in a two-way, sometimes shutdown role on the right-side, but has been outplayed but a pretty deep Leafs' defense - Myers and Poolman have both struggled in top-4 roles, leaving a hole in the top-4 even when Hamonic is allowed to play - Hamonic being gone has shown how much the defense declines in the face of one injury - Holl can kill penalties - something the Canucks need support with badly. At 6'4, 205 pounds, he's also a smoother skater who has shown he can put up 20+ points OEL - Holl Hughes - Hamonic Myers - Poolman Burroughs, Schenn Would love to see Poolman back with OEL they had some good chemistry going before Quinn and EP signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 He's not having a good year and we have enough depth RD's. Let's not throw draft picks @ band-aids. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Holl is a fringe NHL-er, being paid $2M per year, and he has a 10-team NHL list. I mean, I'd consider taking him, but only if we were the ones getting the pick as a sweetener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 We have 3 dman who would 4/5 guys on a good team we don’t need another hughes-xxxxx oel-hamonic xxxxx-poolman burroughs-schenn the issues are we aren’t getting 6m worth of shutdown minutes out of Myers and we don’t have a left side 3rd pair guy who can kill penalties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel_3 Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Sorry, Teemu, not sure how much you watch the Leafs, but my wife is a die-hard fan, so i'm usually right there with her...anyways. Holl is big, but does not play big, he might try and throw the odd big hit, but they are never 'heavy' or 'hard' I don't know where you say he is a good skater, but he is a bit of a slug, he hangs on to the puck too much in his own zone and forces strange plays when an easier one is available. Luke Schenn at 850k is way better value than Holl, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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