#Canucks Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, ZH96 said: Okay? Got a better idea? Let’s see your trade ideas to fix this organizational every corner mess. And let’s see you replace the GM through to video coach with better ideas. I do not think we need big changes to the players. One or two guys maybe at the right time. Weisbrod + coaching staff need to go. See what we have with a motivated group then make big changes. I do not beleive this is needed and Bedard is not the answer but a piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, ZH96 said: First off 15 points in 20 games is not a concerning “regression”. Secondly use your head; Bedard has had to play far more than any of Shane Wright, Matvei Michkov, etc. in the last year and a half… so that actually gives him more forgiveness not the others. Playing more plus like I said being an assistant captain as a rookie in the toughest junior league out there. Come on. And why would he have stopped growing at 16? Last I checked he doesn’t have a childhood disease affecting his growth. 5’9 and 181 Lbs at 16 is a little tank and he will most likely play at 5’11 to 6’0 and 190 to 200 Lbs. Also please do tell me how my proposal is silly? Give some real insight. Let’s see your thoughts and ideas on replacing the GM through to the video coach. Got a better plan hmm? You don’t know what you’re talking about in the slightest. Dude. You've got some issues you need to work through. Hope you figure it out and feel better soon. Edited November 28, 2021 by HighOnHockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 For me: 1) Fire Green + make Brad Shaw interim coach 2) Sometime between now and trade deadline = Miller to ??? for [elite prospect] / Horvat to NYR for Braden Schneider + 3) End of season = Fire Benning and Weisbrod. Rehire Gillis as GM + Trevor Linden as President. Ownership does a MAJOR kiss and make-up. 4) Draft = Shane Wright or Conor Geekie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, hammertime said: Cool story bro! Bedard 2022 16 points in 20 games with a -7 playing for the Pats Meanwhile Mich has put up 28 points in 11 count em 11 MHL games this year and 5 points in 12 games where he barely played in the KHL. Michkov out scored Bedard at the U18. If Michkov was named John Smith from Sudbury he would be ranked 1OA with a bullet. LOL you’re something else. You’re really comparing the WHL to the MHL??? Michkov matured into his body quicker and that’s it. Bedard has way more upside and is in tougher situations and still playing outstanding and almost at the same level in terms of production. Talk to me in three years about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Patel Bure said: For me: 1) Fire Green + make Brad Shaw interim coach 2) Sometime between now and trade deadline = Miller to ??? for [elite prospect] / Horvat to NYR for Braden Schneider + 3) End of season = Fire Benning and Weisbrod. Rehire Gillis as GM + Trevor Linden as President. Ownership does a MAJOR kiss and make-up. 4) Draft = Shane Wright or Conor Geekie I like your thinking Patel. I wanted to bring back Linden as President instead of Gillis but wasn’t sure he would want to. I think he might have a bad taste in his mouth from Aquilini. What do you think? Edited November 28, 2021 by ZH96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 11 hours ago, ZH96 said: Hockey Operations Staff Relieve of duties: -General Manager Jim Benning -Assistant General Manager John Weisbrod -Senior Advisor Doug Jarvis -Senior Director, Hockey Operations & Analytics Jonathan Wall Hire (as): -President of Hockey Operations Mike Gillis -General Manager Chris MacFarland -Assistant General Manager Scott Mellanby -Senior Advisor Markus Naslund -Senior Director, Hockey Operations & Analytics Kevin Weekes -Amateur Scout Geoff Courtnall (Canucks lost Amateur Scout Patrik Jonsson to cancer this past year) Fly high Patrik. Coaching Staff Relieve of duties: -Head Coach Travis Green -Assistant Coach Brad Shaw -Assistant Coach Nolan Baumgartner -Assistant Coach Jason King -Associate Coach Kyle Gustafson -Video Coach Darryl Seward Hire (as): -Head Coach Lane Lambert -Associate Coach Brad Lauer -Assistant Coach Claude Julien -Assistant Coach Darryl Sydor -Assistant Coach Guy Boucher -Video Coach Scott Gomez Roster’s Trades at 2022 Trade Deadline { To Devils: D Quinn Hughes To Canucks: D Jonas Siegenthaler F Fabian Zetterlund 1st Round Draft Pick 2023 2nd Round Draft Pick 2023 2nd Round Draft Pick 2022 To Wild: F J.T. Miller W Brock Boeser To Canucks: W Kevin Fiala F Nick Bjugstad 1st Round Draft Pick 2023 1st Round Draft Pick 2024 2nd Round Draft Pick 2024 To Hurricanes: D Travis Hamonic To Canucks: 7th Round Draft Pick 2023 To Capitals: F Justin Dowling To Canucks: 4th Round Draft Pick 2023 Trades in 2022-2023 Season/2023 off-season To Canucks: ‘1st Overall’ Draft Pick 2023 (Canucks select F Connor Bedard) To Ari/Chi/Ott: F Bo Horvat W Tanner Pearson G Michael DiPietro D Jett Woo (VAN) 1st Round Draft Pick 2023 (NJD) 1st Round Draft Pick 2023 (MIN) 1st Round Draft Pick 2023 Remaining 2022 UFAs and RFAs W Kevin Fiala (2 years/$5.1 Mil per) F Tyler Motte (3 years/$3.225 Mil per) G Jaroslav Halak (2 years/$1 Mil per) F Nick Bjugstad (2 years/$850 K per) F Fabian Zetterlund (2 years/$750 K per) F Matthew Highmore (1 year/$800 K per) W William Lockwood (2 years/$750 K per) W Justin Bailey (1 year/$750 K per) F Phillip Di Giuseppe (1 year/$750 K per) W Alex Chiasson (Release) D Jack Rathbone (3 years/$950 K per) D Noah Juulsen (2 years/$750 K per) D Madison Bowey (Release) D Brad Hunt (1 year/$750 K per) D Guillaume Brisebois (2 years/$750 K per) D Devante Stephens (1 year/$750 K per) F Juho Lammikko (2 years/$750 K per) F Nicolas Petan (1 year/$750 K per) F Sheldon Dries (1 year/$750 K per) F John Stevens (1 year/$750 K per) W Sheldon Rempal (1 year/$750 K per) F Brandon Sutter (Retiring? If not. Release) G Spencer Martin (Release) 2023 off-season Signings and 2023-2024 Depth-Charts D MacKenzie Weegar (4 years/$6.5 Mil per) W Nils Hoglander (4 years/$4 Mil per) F Alex Killorn (2 years/$2.75 Mil per) D Kyle Burroughs (2 years/$850 K per) D Luke Schenn (1 year/$750 K per) F Carson Focht (2 years/$750 K per) V.Podkolzin -C.Bedard- D.Klimovich N.Hoglander -E.Pettersson- K.Fiala A.Killorn -Ja.Dickinson- C.Garland T.Motte -N.Bjugstad- W.Lockwood C.Focht F.Zetterlund O.Ekman-Larsson - T.Myers J.Rathbone- M.Weegar J.Siegenthaler - T.Poolman J.Jurmo - K.Burroughs T.Demko J.Halak Abbotsford? A.McDonough -J.Lammikko- N.Petan E.Keppen -C.Wouters- L.Karlsson D.Zlodeyev -A.Costmar- C.Lockhart T.Nielsen -J.Malone- J.Lukosevicius J.Kunz -V.Arseneau- L.Forsell J.Truscott - L.Schenn G.Brisebois - N.Juulsen H.Gabrielson - V.Persson D.Stephens - A.Kannok-Leipert B.Hunt - T.Utunen J.Myrenberg A.Silovs M.Thiessen A.Koskenvuo “C” Connor Bedard ”A” Oliver Ekman-Larsson ”A” Alex Killorn “A” MacKenzie Weegar ”A” Conor Garland President of Hockey Operations- Mike Gillis General Manager - Chris MacFarland Assistant General Manager- Scott Mellanby Assistant General Manager- Chris Gear Senior Advisor- Markus Naslund Senior Director Hockey Operations & Analytics- Kevin Weekes Senior Advisor Canucks Hockey & Business Operations- Stan Smyl Advisor to General Manager- Henrik Sedin Advisor to General Manager- Daniel Sedin Head Coach- Lane Lambert Associate Coach- Brad Lauer Assistant Coach- Claude Julien Assistant Coach- Darryl Sydor Assistant Coach- Guy Boucher Video Coach- Scott Gomez Honestly yeah, I'd do it. We have a pretty good shot at Shane Wright or Miroschienko this year if things remain as they are too. I would move Petterssen before you move any of our other stars though - his compete level seems to be the lowest, as is his consistency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, HighOnHockey said: Dude. You've got some issues you need to work through. Hope you figure it out and feel better soon. That’s your response? Lol thank you. I have a counsellor I meet with weekly but thanks for your concern. By the way my YouTube channel is filled with people saying they think I’m a prophet and a knowledgeable scout. I predicted Lucas Raymonds current success and him being better than Lafreniere. Just a little FYI. Go check out Steal of the 2020 NHL Draft by Z Hockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 1 hour ago, #Canucks said: I do not think we need big changes to the players. One or two guys maybe at the right time. Weisbrod + coaching staff need to go. See what we have with a motivated group then make big changes. I do not beleive this is needed and Bedard is not the answer but a piece. What you’re suggesting is what we’ve been doing for 50. Count em. 50. Years. Even under Gillis we made the same “half peeling the band-aid off” moves and we fell short in the Cup Final due to injuries, mental weakness, and coaching. Then afterwards under Gillis and Benning we started floundering the way we are now. We have solid young pieces and savvy veterans in a good core that we can build around but some major ripping down and craftsmanship needs to be done once and for all. Bedard will be a major puzzle piece to the answer for any team he lands on. People are so dull with how they’re sleeping on that kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 45 minutes ago, ZH96 said: What you’re suggesting is what we’ve been doing for 50. Count em. 50. Years. Even under Gillis we made the same “half peeling the band-aid off” moves and we fell short in the Cup Final due to injuries, mental weakness, and coaching. Then afterwards under Gillis and Benning we started floundering the way we are now. We have solid young pieces and savvy veterans in a good core that we can build around but some major ripping down and craftsmanship needs to be done once and for all. Bedard will be a major puzzle piece to the answer for any team he lands on. People are so dull with how they’re sleeping on that kid. In the past years, we have never had this quality of good young players. Not something I am willing to give up on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, #Canucks said: In the past years, we have never had this quality of good young players. Not something I am willing to give up on. And we’ve had them all for respectively totalled up to almost half a decade… nothing is changing. Pettersson- 4 seasons Hughes- Almost 4 seasons Horvat- 8 seasons Boeser- Almost 6 seasons The only ones who get a pass are Demko, Podkolzin, Hoglander, and Rathbone. Demko “saves” peoples jobs and ice-times almost literally. Podkolzin is a rookie who’s progressing very well. Hoglander is a sophomore who’s progressing very well. Rathbone is basically a rookie who’s progressing very well. All four of these players are also some of the only ones that show up and play like they got a military boot kicked into them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, ZH96 said: And we’ve had them all for respectively totalled up to almost half a decade… nothing is changing. Pettersson- 4 seasons Hughes- Almost 4 seasons Horvat- 8 seasons Boeser- Almost 6 seasons The only ones who get a pass are Demko, Podkolzin, Hoglander, and Rathbone. Demko “saves” peoples jobs and ice-times almost literally. Podkolzin is a rookie who’s progressing very well. Hoglander is a sophomore who’s progressing very well. Rathbone is basically a rookie who’s progressing very well. All four of these players are also some of the only ones that show up and play like they got a military boot kicked into them. You don’t win a cup with young guys! I look forward to watching the development of these players in the coming years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 2 hours ago, #Canucks said: You don’t win a cup with young guys! I look forward to watching the development of these players in the coming years! I’ll leave this here for you to quickly scroll through. Try not to cough on your Diet Coca-Cola… 2010 Blackhawks: P.Kane- 21 J.Toews- 21 C.Crawford- 25 N.Hjalmarsson- 22 B.Seabrook- 24 D.Byfuglien- 24 C.Barker- 23 A.Ladd- 24 T.Brouwer- 24 J.Skille- 22 K.Versteeg- 23 D.Bolland- 23 J.Hendry- 25 C.Fraser- 25 B.Eager- 25 B.Bickell- 23 J.Dowell- 24 R.Smolenak- 24 2011 Bruins: P.Bergeron- 25 B.Marchand- 22 T.Seguin- 19 B.Wheeler- 24 D.Krejci- 24 A.McQuaid- 24 M.Lucic- 22 N.Horton- 25 T.Rask- 23 M.Hunwick- 25 S.Kampfer- 22 M.Bartkowski- 22 Z.Hamill- 22 J.Caron- 20 J.Arniel- 21 2012 Kings: D.Doughty- 22 A.Kopitar- 24 J.Quick- 25 A.Martinez- 24 J.Johnson- 25 V.Voynov- 22 D.King- 22 J.Nolan- 22 J.Bernier- 23 T.Lewis- 25 K.Clifford- 21 A.Loktionov- 21 2013 Blackhawks: P.Kane- 24 J.Toews- 24 N.Leddy- 21 N.Hjalmarsson- 25 B.Saad- 20 M.Frolik- 25 A.Shaw- 21 J.Hayes- 23 (Fly High) M.Kruger- 22 B.Bollig- 25 R.Stanton- 21 S.Lalonde- 22 B.Pirri- 21 J.Morin- 21 B.Smith- 24 D.Leblanc- 23 2014 Kings: D.Doughty- 24 T.Toffoli- 21 J.Muzzin- 24 T.Pearson- 21 V.Voynov- 24 M.Jones- 24 K.Clifford- 23 D.King- 24 J.Nolan- 24 L.Vey- 22 A.Campbell- 25 2015 Blackhawks: A.Raanta- 25 T.Teravainen- 20 P.Danault- 21 B.Saad- 22 R.Hartman- 20 A.Shaw- 23 T.van Riemsdyk- 23 A.Clendening- 22 D.Rundblad- 24 J.Nordstrom- 22 M.Kruger- 24 K.Dahlbeck- 23 T.Erixon- 23 M.Paliotta- 21 K.Baun- 22 J.Morin- 23 2016 Penguins: M.Murray- 21 B.Dumoulin- 24 B.Rust- 23 Ju.Schultz- 25 C.Sheary- 23 O.Maatta- 21 O.Sundqvist- 21 D.Simon- 21 D.Sprong- 18 D.Pouliot- 22 T.Kuhnhackl- 24 J.Archibald- 23 A.Clendening- 23 D.Warsofsky- 25 B.Bennett- 24 S.Wilson- 23 S.Plotnikov- 25 2017 Penguins: J.Guentzel- 22 B.Rust- 24 M.Murray- 22 T.Jarry- 21 B.Dumoulin- 25 C.Sheary- 24 O.Sundqvist- 22 O.Maatta- 22 D.Pouliot- 23 D.Simon- 22 T.Kuhnhackl- 25 S.Wilson- 24 J.Archibald- 24 F.Corrado- 23 J.Sebastien~Dea- 22 2018 Capitals: E.Kuznetsov- 25 T.Wilson- 23 J.Vrana- 21 A.Burakovsky- 22 C.Stephenson- 23 B.Connolly- 25 T.Graovac- 24 M.Bowey- 22 D.Smith-Pelly- 25 C.Djoos- 23 T.Boyd- 24 S.Gersich- 21 L.O’Brien- 23 N.Walker- 23 2019 Blues: J.Binnington- 25 C.Parayko- 25 V.Dunn- 22 J.Edmundson- 25 J.Kyrou- 20 R.Thomas- 19 O.Sundqvist- 24 I.Barbashev- 23 S.Blais- 22 R.Fabbri- 23 Z.Sanford- 24 J.Schmaltz- 25 M.MacEachern- 24 N.Soshnikov- 25 2020 Lightning: B.Point- 23 A.Vasilevsky- 25 E.Cernak- 22 M.Sergachev- 21 A.Cirelli- 22 C.Verhaeghe- 24 M.Joseph- 22 M.Stephens- 22 Ge.Smith- 25 A.Volkov- 22 2021 Lightning: B.Point- 24 E.Cernak- 23 C.Foote- 22 M.Sergachev- 22 R.Colton- 24 A.Cirelli- 23 M.Joseph- 23 B.Thomas- 24 A.Borgman- 25 A.Barre-Boulet- 23 M.Stephens- 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, ZH96 said: I’ll leave this here for you to quickly scroll through. Try not to cough on your Diet Coca-Cola… 2010 Blackhawks: P.Kane- 21 J.Toews- 21 C.Crawford- 25 N.Hjalmarsson- 22 B.Seabrook- 24 D.Byfuglien- 24 C.Barker- 23 A.Ladd- 24 T.Brouwer- 24 J.Skille- 22 K.Versteeg- 23 D.Bolland- 23 J.Hendry- 25 C.Fraser- 25 B.Eager- 25 B.Bickell- 23 J.Dowell- 24 R.Smolenak- 24 2011 Bruins: P.Bergeron- 25 B.Marchand- 22 T.Seguin- 19 B.Wheeler- 24 D.Krejci- 24 A.McQuaid- 24 M.Lucic- 22 N.Horton- 25 T.Rask- 23 M.Hunwick- 25 S.Kampfer- 22 M.Bartkowski- 22 Z.Hamill- 22 J.Caron- 20 J.Arniel- 21 2012 Kings: D.Doughty- 22 A.Kopitar- 24 J.Quick- 25 A.Martinez- 24 J.Johnson- 25 V.Voynov- 22 D.King- 22 J.Nolan- 22 J.Bernier- 23 T.Lewis- 25 K.Clifford- 21 A.Loktionov- 21 2013 Blackhawks: P.Kane- 24 J.Toews- 24 N.Leddy- 21 N.Hjalmarsson- 25 B.Saad- 20 M.Frolik- 25 A.Shaw- 21 J.Hayes- 23 (Fly High) M.Kruger- 22 B.Bollig- 25 R.Stanton- 21 S.Lalonde- 22 B.Pirri- 21 J.Morin- 21 B.Smith- 24 D.Leblanc- 23 2014 Kings: D.Doughty- 24 T.Toffoli- 21 J.Muzzin- 24 T.Pearson- 21 V.Voynov- 24 M.Jones- 24 K.Clifford- 23 D.King- 24 J.Nolan- 24 L.Vey- 22 A.Campbell- 25 2015 Blackhawks: A.Raanta- 25 T.Teravainen- 20 P.Danault- 21 B.Saad- 22 R.Hartman- 20 A.Shaw- 23 T.van Riemsdyk- 23 A.Clendening- 22 D.Rundblad- 24 J.Nordstrom- 22 M.Kruger- 24 K.Dahlbeck- 23 T.Erixon- 23 M.Paliotta- 21 K.Baun- 22 J.Morin- 23 2016 Penguins: M.Murray- 21 B.Dumoulin- 24 B.Rust- 23 Ju.Schultz- 25 C.Sheary- 23 O.Maatta- 21 O.Sundqvist- 21 D.Simon- 21 D.Sprong- 18 D.Pouliot- 22 T.Kuhnhackl- 24 J.Archibald- 23 A.Clendening- 23 D.Warsofsky- 25 B.Bennett- 24 S.Wilson- 23 S.Plotnikov- 25 2017 Penguins: J.Guentzel- 22 B.Rust- 24 M.Murray- 22 T.Jarry- 21 B.Dumoulin- 25 C.Sheary- 24 O.Sundqvist- 22 O.Maatta- 22 D.Pouliot- 23 D.Simon- 22 T.Kuhnhackl- 25 S.Wilson- 24 J.Archibald- 24 F.Corrado- 23 J.Sebastien~Dea- 22 2018 Capitals: E.Kuznetsov- 25 T.Wilson- 23 J.Vrana- 21 A.Burakovsky- 22 C.Stephenson- 23 B.Connolly- 25 T.Graovac- 24 M.Bowey- 22 D.Smith-Pelly- 25 C.Djoos- 23 T.Boyd- 24 S.Gersich- 21 L.O’Brien- 23 N.Walker- 23 2019 Blues: J.Binnington- 25 C.Parayko- 25 V.Dunn- 22 J.Edmundson- 25 J.Kyrou- 20 R.Thomas- 19 O.Sundqvist- 24 I.Barbashev- 23 S.Blais- 22 R.Fabbri- 23 Z.Sanford- 24 J.Schmaltz- 25 M.MacEachern- 24 N.Soshnikov- 25 2020 Lightning: B.Point- 23 A.Vasilevsky- 25 E.Cernak- 22 M.Sergachev- 21 A.Cirelli- 22 C.Verhaeghe- 24 M.Joseph- 22 M.Stephens- 22 Ge.Smith- 25 A.Volkov- 22 2021 Lightning: B.Point- 24 E.Cernak- 23 C.Foote- 22 M.Sergachev- 22 R.Colton- 24 A.Cirelli- 23 M.Joseph- 23 B.Thomas- 24 A.Borgman- 25 A.Barre-Boulet- 23 M.Stephens- 24 Why are the rosters so small? Seems like you took some vets out. You need veterans with young players to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, #Canucks said: Why are the rosters so small? Seems like you took some vets out. You need veterans with young players to win. You get the point funny guy, accept your loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#Canucks Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, ZH96 said: You get the point funny guy, accept your win. Fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 6 hours ago, ZH96 said: That’s your response? Lol thank you. I have a counsellor I meet with weekly but thanks for your concern. By the way my YouTube channel is filled with people saying they think I’m a prophet and a knowledgeable scout. I predicted Lucas Raymonds current success and him being better than Lafreniere. Just a little FYI. Go check out Steal of the 2020 NHL Draft by Z Hockey I don't know what else to say man. I don't know the first thing about you but reading your responses to me and others I can see you've got some major self-esteem issues. I've been there myself at times and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Again, just hope things get better for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 I appreciate the amount of thought that has gone into this, but I feel it is based on some very unlikely things occurring. For example, winning the lottery for the 1st overall pick (for Bedard); trading Miller + Boeser to MIN when they don't have the cap space for those two long term; signing UFAs like Weegar (who is unlikely to ever reach the FA market); and lots more that I won't go into... Then in the end, the 2023/24 roster doesn't look like that much of an improvement over what we have now. But I guess this is essentially a rebuild and we will be waiting until 2029 when all of those 1st round picks have developed and become impact players on the NHL roster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: I don't know what else to say man. I don't know the first thing about you but reading your responses to me and others I can see you've got some major self-esteem issues. I've been there myself at times and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Again, just hope things get better for you. This is a hockey forum man. And I’m so passionate about hockey that I’d get dragged out of an arena to make something happen for my team. Maybe you’re taking my passion the wrong way and need to ask yourself why you’re talking about someone’s self esteem as a person on a Vancouver Canucks forum. Says a lot about you as well. That being said thanks for your concern and if you ever wanna chat PM me anytime Edited November 29, 2021 by ZH96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMHockey Posted November 29, 2021 Author Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, BigTramFan said: I appreciate the amount of thought that has gone into this, but I feel it is based on some very unlikely things occurring. For example, winning the lottery for the 1st overall pick (for Bedard); trading Miller + Boeser to MIN when they don't have the cap space for those two long term; signing UFAs like Weegar (who is unlikely to ever reach the FA market); and lots more that I won't go into... Then in the end, the 2023/24 roster doesn't look like that much of an improvement over what we have now. But I guess this is essentially a rebuild and we will be waiting until 2029 when all of those 1st round picks have developed and become impact players on the NHL roster? I wrote out a trade to get the 1st overall pick for Bedard. It was nothing to do with winning the lottery. That’s why I had so many picks in 2023 being acclimated in the trades beforehand to set up a run at the 1st overall pick. Minnesota sending us Fiala and Bjugstad would clear them $6,000,000 to take on Miller and Boeser. Plus they’re probably going to let two players like Alex Goligoski and Victor Rask walk as UFAs in the off-season which is another $9,000,000 right there. They will have plenty of room. And yes my quick 2023/24 lineup write up did not include all the extra draft picks that could be in the lineup then including prospects currently in our system. Florida won’t be able to afford Weegar and that’s on facts. Edited November 29, 2021 by ZH96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 3 hours ago, ZH96 said: I wrote out a trade to get the 1st overall pick for Bedard. It was nothing to do with winning the lottery. That’s why I had so many picks in 2023 being acclimated in the trades beforehand to set up a run at the 1st overall pick. Ah ok, sorry now I get what that trade was with Horvat, Pearson, Dipietro, Woo + three 1st round picks. So that haul is what we would trade to whoever wins the lottery in order to get the 1st overall in 2023? That might be enough, but I don't think its guaranteed. Highly depends on us resigning Horvat before the 2023 entry draft. He might choose to delay and test the UFA market a little, especially if we are uncompetitive next season, if that happens then Horvat will be UFA and not worth anything in the trade. Pearson will have one year left on his contract and you gotta expect he will have declined significantly more by then, so he will probably have negative value. Dipietro and Woo may or may not be NHL players. When you look at the value from our side, it is really the three 1st round picks and a resigned Horvat that someone would be trading the 1st overall pick for. On current standings that the VAN pick would be 5th overall, NJD 11th overall, MIN pick 25th overall. I'm not sure that would be enough. Standings at the end of 2022-23 season could be quite different though. Who knows. 3 hours ago, ZH96 said: Minnesota sending us Fiala and Bjugstad would clear them $6,000,000 to take on Miller and Boeser. Plus they’re probably going to let two players like Alex Goligoski and Victor Rask walk as UFAs in the off-season which is another $9,000,000 right there. They will have plenty of room. And yes my quick 2023/24 lineup write up did not include all the extra draft picks that could be in the lineup then including prospects currently in our system. Florida won’t be able to afford Weegar and that’s on facts. Miller + Boeser cap hit is over $11m at the 2022 TDL, so MIN can't afford them unless they move more off their books this year. Also next season MIN are tight against the cap. Even with Fiala and Bjugstad gone and without resigning any UFAs like Rask or Goligoski they have a cap hit of $66m for only 13 players (this is mostly due to the buyouts or Parise and Suter). This means they only have $15.5m cap space left next season to sign a minimum of 9 players (about $1.7m per contract). Which is ok - they should be able to find some serviceable players at those average amounts, but none of those 9 players can be Miller or Boeser, as they are both too expensive. 3 hours ago, ZH96 said: Florida won’t be able to afford Weegar and that’s on facts. I'm not sure what your information is on that. In 2023-24 FLA have $26.7m in cap space to sign at least 13 players. I would expect Weegar to be a priority for FLA. If he would sign for $6.5m in VAN then he would likely sign in FLA for $5.5m (tax differences alone would make this similar net income). This would leave FLA with $21.2m for another 12 players, which is $1.75m per contract. Similar to MIN for next season, they will make that work quite easily, esp with the tax situation in Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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