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31 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

Agent says Horvat is a #1C. Only one 60 point season says otherwise.

 

No wonder they are far apart. 

We already have a 1C. And a 2C. Best to trade Horvat to a team that wants to play him

as a 1C. 

Maybe Columbus would bite. Peeke, Kuraly and a 2023 2nd round pick for Horvat. Maybe Columbus will play Horvat with little Johnny and he can get his 80 points to justify his 1C salary. 

 

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The longer this goes, the more I agree that he should be traded. 
If Horvat wants more than being paid as a third line centre, and the prestige of being a captain, then he’ll need to move on. 
He doesn’t have enough offensive upside to rise higher than Miller and Petey. Despite his solid size, he rarely drops the gloves to protect teammates. His captaincy qualities seem to be that he’s good on faceoffs, is defensively responsible (although a career minus player), and a secondary scorer. He’s not intimidating, nor a raw-raw guy - a quieter leader like Linden, but without the massive checks that Linden would regularly throw. 
There may be teams that will pay more for Horvat, but if he’s not willing to take a bit of a deal and live a wonderful life with his family in Vancouver, as captain of the Canucks, then he can cash in somewhere else after we trade him, and he can largely disappoint as an overpaid 2nd line centre. I thought Horvat’s qualities as a team leader were to support the team - I thought that was what he was about. But if he’s about greed, without the true attributes that demand a high salary, it doesn’t make sense for him to be leading the team.

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59 minutes ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

 

 

maybe, maybe, watch the game from last nite and watch how horvat stumbled, did a couple of arm flailing spins, give up and get scored on short handed?

 

Anytime chief, glad to educate those that are less intelligent.

 

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9 hours ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

but flailing, giving up, going to the bench like Kesler, Dubois and one of the Kostitsyn (sp) brothers is unacceptable, especially for Bo the Captain.

Your post (in bold) was a senseless hot mess, and when you learn proper grammar and sentence structure, for starters, then you can get back to me about intelligence, okay Pippy?

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8 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

I count 5. Though Schmaltz did have a 0.93 PPG last year. (0.76 is Horvats career high)

 

Arizona (Schmaltz)

Chicago (Toews)

Columbus (Sillinger)

Minnesota (Eriksson EK)

Seattle (Beniers)

 

 

And you could argue a couple more. Point is. There could be one team and the agent would use that as a negotiation 

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4 minutes ago, Slegr said:

The longer this goes, the more I agree that he should be traded. 
If Horvat wants more than being paid as a third line centre, and the prestige of being a captain, then he’ll need to move on. 
He doesn’t have enough offensive upside to rise higher than Miller and Petey. Despite his solid size, he rarely drops the gloves to protect teammates. His captaincy qualities seem to be that he’s good on faceoffs, is defensively responsible (although a career minus player), and a secondary scorer. He’s not intimidating, nor a raw-raw guy - a quieter leader like Linden, but without the massive checks that Linden would regularly throw. 
There may be teams that will pay more for Horvat, but if he’s not willing to take a bit of a deal and live a wonderful life with his family in Vancouver, as captain of the Canucks, then he can cash in somewhere else after we trade him, and he can largely disappoint as an overpaid 2nd line centre. I thought Horvat’s qualities as a team leader were to support the team - I thought that was what he was about. But if he’s about greed, without the true attributes that demand a high salary, it doesn’t make sense for him to be leading the team.

Yes, well said. I think he's not as "defensively responsible" as others make him out to be, and when he's not engaged, and plays soft, his face-off prowess is not going to be a difference maker in any game. Hits, emotion, on-ice leadership, GOALS, and points are what matter.

 

A guy his size needs to take the initiative and throw a thundering hit at the critical time, like when the Coil were rallying last night, he's a big boy, and show an emotional battle cry that they weren't going to roll over and piddle on their bellies; And, be a captain.

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3 hours ago, HKSR said:

Just stating the facts, but when JT Miller was 26 (2019-20 season) he was a first line winger and put up 27 goals and 72 points in 69 games (a pace of 32 goals and 86 points).

I think JT's ceiling was considered to be a solid 2C/LW, but playing on a stacked team like Tampa pushed him down to

the 3rd line. When he came to Vancouver, he started playing alongside Pete and Brock, which vaulted him into a 1st line

player.  I believe his success with the Canucks is having high end linemates, but even more so, due to his competitive

personality and passion for the game.  Miller can score a lot of goals, but we can not underestimate his value as a

playmaker.  I really don't see any reason to compare him to Bo.

 

Bo had a very good season last year and has improved his offensive and defensive game since Boudreau joined

the team.  I think Bo will continue to improve his game, but it will not be the elite style that JT went through.  Instead

he will become a more complete player who will be a significant player on most teams in the league.  I don't agree

with those that consider him 'an average 2C'.  Looking at the 2Cs on other teams, Bo is easily in the top 10

 

The only reason the Canucks would move Bo is due to the salary cap issues.  I think this is a likely scenario, but

I have no doubt his contributions to the team will be several missed.

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20 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

We already have a 1C. And a 2C. Best to trade Horvat to a team that wants to play him

as a 1C. 

Maybe Columbus would bite. Peeke, Kuraly and a 2023 2nd round pick for Horvat. Maybe Columbus will play Horvat with little Johnny and he can get his 80 points to justify his 1C salary. 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Devron said:

And you could argue a couple more. Point is. There could be one team and the agent would use that as a negotiation 

 

Well if Horvat wants 8 million then he can try to get Jarmo on the phone. I doubt that's happening anywhere especially with Dylan Larkin on the market.

 

 

12 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Is Tage all that after 1 season ?

 

package Bo up with a player and a pick ?

 

 

 

38 goals is pretty good. Higher goal / point total than Horvats had. 

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23 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

I count 5. Though Schmaltz did have a 0.93 PPG last year. (0.76 is Horvats career high)

 

Arizona (Schmaltz)

Chicago (Toews)

Columbus (Sillinger)

Minnesota (Eriksson EK)

Seattle (Beniers)

 

 

It's not even 5.  Beniers will be a star.  Will get 70 points minimum this year.  Sillinger isn't even their #1, Boone Jenner is.  Eriksson Ek is getting to be a top defensive centre, they would be 1A and 1B.  Toews is old so again it would be a 1A and 1B for this year and Horvat could take over next year.  Schmaltz actually had better numbers than Horvat last year.

 

I would say Arizona, Chicago and Minnesota are the only teams that could make Horvat their defacto 1C.  That's it...

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3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It's not even 5.  Beniers will be a star.  Will get 70 points minimum this year.  Sillinger isn't even their #1, Boone Jenner is.  Eriksson Ek is getting to be a top defensive centre, they would be 1A and 1B.  Toews is old so again it would be a 1A and 1B for this year and Horvat could take over next year.  Schmaltz actually had better numbers than Horvat last year.

 

I would say Arizona, Chicago and Minnesota are the only teams that could make Horvat their defacto 1C.  That's it...

 

I'd say for sure Chicago, Minnesota & Columbus with an argument to be made for Schmaltz/Beniers. 

 

And I agree Beniers will be better than Horvat soon.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

If Tage Thompson was offered up for BO I would drive BO to the airport myself...

Lol..  no I was saying trade him to Buffalo they need another Center,   They are strong  on D .

 

That or to the Isles,  package him up for JP Pageau,    and Romanov .

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30 minutes ago, Sophomore Jinx said:

Your post (in bold) was a senseless hot mess, and when you learn proper grammar and sentence structure, for starters, then you can get back to me about intelligence, okay Pippy?

Grammar polizei on cdc, what a life! :picard:

 

Oh no! i had a couple beers. whats your excuse for being a ??????

 

Its very intelligent posting a gif and not commenting on whats being discussed.

 

in the famous words of burr, "give your .... a tug you ...... ....." 

 

they seem necrotic, go get that checked out.

 

again, go back and watch the game, then pull up the big boy pants and interact with other adults, like an adult. 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It's not even 5.  Beniers will be a star.  Will get 70 points minimum this year.  Sillinger isn't even their #1, Boone Jenner is.  Eriksson Ek is getting to be a top defensive centre, they would be 1A and 1B.  Toews is old so again it would be a 1A and 1B for this year and Horvat could take over next year.  Schmaltz actually had better numbers than Horvat last year.

 

I would say Arizona, Chicago and Minnesota are the only teams that could make Horvat their defacto 1C.  That's it...

You're being generous, he's not a 1C anywhere. Maybe AZ.

 

He's a 52 pts. per season career avg., and an above average face-off man who is a 2C on some teams, and a solid 3C on great teams....which is why if JTM and EP40 are indeed the 1 & 2C's here, then BH is no longer such a snug fit here, as he would be miscast as a 3C (and I'm sure that notion isn't helping him sleep at night), especially at $7+M.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Slegr said:

The longer this goes, the more I agree that he should be traded. 
If Horvat wants more than being paid as a third line centre, and the prestige of being a captain, then he’ll need to move on. 
He doesn’t have enough offensive upside to rise higher than Miller and Petey. Despite his solid size, he rarely drops the gloves to protect teammates. His captaincy qualities seem to be that he’s good on faceoffs, is defensively responsible (although a career minus player), and a secondary scorer. He’s not intimidating, nor a raw-raw guy - a quieter leader like Linden, but without the massive checks that Linden would regularly throw. 
There may be teams that will pay more for Horvat, but if he’s not willing to take a bit of a deal and live a wonderful life with his family in Vancouver, as captain of the Canucks, then he can cash in somewhere else after we trade him, and he can largely disappoint as an overpaid 2nd line centre. I thought Horvat’s qualities as a team leader were to support the team - I thought that was what he was about. But if he’s about greed, without the true attributes that demand a high salary, it doesn’t make sense for him to be leading the team.

Well said, my thoughts exactly. 

 

23 minutes ago, Sophomore Jinx said:

Yes, well said. I think he's not as "defensively responsible" as others make him out to be, and when he's not engaged, and plays soft, his face-off prowess is not going to be a difference maker in any game. Hits, emotion, on-ice leadership, GOALS, and points are what matter.

 

A guy his size needs to take the initiative and throw a thundering hit at the critical time, like when the Coil were rallying last night, he's a big boy, and show an emotional battle cry that they weren't going to roll over and piddle on their bellies; And, be a captain.

Last nights game was a perfect example where he could have made a difference, but he didn't. He did much of the same for the first part of last season. I don't care what he did he should have did something, anything. I guess that letter on his sweater is just for decorations.:lol:

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Just now, GhostsOf1994 said:

Grammar polizei on cdc, what a life! :picard:

 

Oh no! i had a couple beers. whats your excuse for being a ??????

 

Its very intelligent posting a gif and not commenting on whats being discussed.

 

in the famous words of burr, "give your .... a tug you ...... ....." 

 

they seem necrotic, go get that checked out.

 

again, go back and watch the game, then pull up the big boy pants and interact with other adults, like an adult. 

 

 

 

The old couple of beers excuse. So, only a couple of beers turns you into a driveling simp. Gotcha.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Sophomore Jinx said:

You're being generous, he's not a 1C anywhere. Maybe AZ.

 

He's a 52 pts. per season career avg., and an above average face-off man who is a 2C on some teams, and a solid 3C on great teams....which is why if JTM and EP40 are indeed the 1 & 2C's here, then BH is no longer such a snug fit here, as he would be miscast as a 3C (and I'm sure that notion isn't helping him sleep at night), especially at $7+M.

 

 

His agent said he is a 1C. If that is the case then the writing is on the wall. I don’t see a deal happening in Vancouver. If there are only 3-4 teams that need a 1C it could be a problem to trade him. Unless someone wants to overpay him to be a 2C. 

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2 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

His agent said he is a 1C. If that is the case then the writing is on the wall. I don’t see a deal happening in Vancouver. If there are only 3-4 teams that need a 1C it could be a problem to trade him. Unless someone wants to overpay him to be a 2C. 

JR/PA can trade Bo any time they want to for picks and prospects, 1C or not. He'd be highly sought after by most teams. 

 

The issue isn't if we can trade him, its what we're willing to live with in return because its the same problem with Miller, there won't be that unicorn #1RHD on offer. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

His agent said he is a 1C. If that is the case then the writing is on the wall. I don’t see a deal happening in Vancouver. If there are only 3-4 teams that need a 1C it could be a problem to trade him. Unless someone wants to overpay him to be a 2C. 

Then he goes for less at the TDL  a pick and a pop.

“pick a pop “.    Lol ..

 

(player of potential)

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