5 decades and no cup Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 45 minutes ago, EdgarM said: Man, Greed is such a nasty human trait. Just glad his true colors is being shown before we sign him for another 7-8 years. Unfortunately we have had players like him before on this club and is probably why we have had no Championship to speak of. Some players chase a Cup and some chase the Money$$. Sounds similar to the BS talk during the Miller contract negotiations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, HKSR said: Many of you know how strongly I advocated for re-signing Miller. Well, this should be fun cuz I truly think Horvat needs to be traded this time. Boeser as well. Let's do this! Horvat, Boeser and Pearson. If JR can pull this off and get a true 3C and a couple legit top 4 Dmen plus a 2nd round pick for those 3 guys I will never call him grandpa ever again. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, helpsu2score said: Sounds similar to the BS talk during the Miller contract negotiations. Except Miller HAS signed already and for less then expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Horvat, Boeser and Pearson. If JR can pull this off and get a true 3C and a couple legit top 4 Dmen plus a 2nd round pick for those 3 guys I will never call him grandpa ever again. I would be happy with just picks at this point and have the additional Cap Space to improve the team somewhere down the road, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 decades and no cup Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, EdgarM said: Except Miller HAS signed already and for less then expected. That's my point. Read the trash talk on JT before he signed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Honestly, I don't think it is all about the money. Ever since Miller arrived BO has been 2nd fiddle. Miller took his game to the next level, BO didn't. Miller was the guy they signed first, so BO is feeling neglected and disrespected. Miller is the vocal leader of this team and BO doesn't like that. BO feels he is a 1C and we already have 2 of them. I think this is a case where BO has checked out and just wants to move on. Unless the Canucks are willing to offer him over $7.5 million, I don't think there will be a deal to be made here. Maybe Corey Hirsch had it right after all then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, SilentSam said: On an expiring contract? you can not compare Bo to Petey. ??????? I'm not comparing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Honestly, I don't think it is all about the money. Ever since Miller arrived BO has been 2nd fiddle. Miller took his game to the next level, BO didn't. Miller was the guy they signed first, so BO is feeling neglected and disrespected. Miller is the vocal leader of this team and BO doesn't like that. BO feels he is a 1C and we already have 2 of them. I think this is a case where BO has checked out and just wants to move on. Unless the Canucks are willing to offer him over $7.5 million, I don't think there will be a deal to be made here. this is quite the vivid fantasy you've fabricated out of nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JeremyCuddles Posted October 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) There is a lot of talk and baseless speculation about Bo's character right now, that I think is pretty weird. He has given no indication that he is the type of person some of you are saying he is. And the projection that he is "jealous" of Miller cause he signed first, also a huge stretch. He has never come off as envious. I dunno. This is why I hate when media speculation seeps it's way into discussions like these. Cause now we are trashing his character with nothing to go on except media sensationalism. Edited October 13, 2022 by N7Nucks 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 It doesnt really make sense that Bo is playing “disinterested” This is a contract year afterall If Bo has a sh!t year, he’s going to have a tough time asking for what he wants. If Bo wants out, he’ll demand a trade. He isn’t going to half ass his way to free agency only to drop his stock and have less bargaining power. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Honestly, I don't think it is all about the money. Ever since Miller arrived BO has been 2nd fiddle. Miller took his game to the next level, BO didn't. Miller was the guy they signed first, so BO is feeling neglected and disrespected. Miller is the vocal leader of this team and BO doesn't like that. BO feels he is a 1C and we already have 2 of them. I think this is a case where BO has checked out and just wants to move on. Unless the Canucks are willing to offer him over $7.5 million, I don't think there will be a deal to be made here. JTM took his offensive game to the next level and abandoned all pretence of defensive play. Last night was a great example of a high event player both ways. Goal and assist and terrible giveaways leading to goals. Bo is not the same type of player as JTM and has in no way played second fiddle. Bo is first PP, PKs and comes out for most important faceoffs, a role JTM can’t be trusted with. Edited October 13, 2022 by DrJockitch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) Some new comments from his agent. https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/bo-horvats-agent-comments-on-contract-extension-talks-with-canucks/ Doesn't sound super positive. "Some of these things take time," Morris continued. "It's not every single player that gets an extension. If there's a disagreement, it doesn't happen. If there's not a meeting of the minds or a consensus, you can't get something done. You're always hopeful when you start out. Vancouver always told me they like Bo Horvat a lot and they have him under contract for this year, but not beyond unfortunately." Edited October 13, 2022 by Strawbone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, smithers joe said: who can live on a poultry 6mil a year? i don't think is more than a 6.750 mil player. contracts are all getting out of control. Not really, NHL contracts are relatively small in comparison to the other big north American professional sports. Cap is supposed to go up over the next few years, so will contracts for every level of player. Edited October 13, 2022 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) In a cap world where superstars are going to take contracts in the 12-16M range going forward 2C's are gonna get paid too. Hell, even non-superstar 1C's are gonna get paid. MacKinnon is top dog now but you've got guys like Matthews, Draisaitl, and McDavid coming down the pipeline. Just wait. GM's will continually make things harder for each other each and every time. Edited October 13, 2022 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, JM_ said: JR/PA can trade Bo any time they want to for picks and prospects, 1C or not. He'd be highly sought after by most teams. The issue isn't if we can trade him, its what we're willing to live with in return because its the same problem with Miller, there won't be that unicorn #1RHD on offer. I think the chances are a bit equal of Bo landing a RHD vs Miller. All depends on the team he's going to, and there would be a lot of suitors for Bo. He might even get more than Miller just from being younger and possibly having another level offensively/defensively. I prefer to re-sign him but if he's priced himself out then there's no choice but to ship him out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Petey Castiglione said: I think the chances are a bit equal of Bo landing a RHD vs Miller. All depends on the team he's going to, and there would be a lot of suitors for Bo. He might even get more than Miller just from being younger and possibly having another level offensively/defensively. I prefer to re-sign him but if he's priced himself out then there's no choice but to ship him out. The chances is close to 0 you get the rhd from moving bo. Not without an extension in place. I don’t see Bo willing to extend with any team traded unless he’s being overpaid. Why extend when you can go into ufa pick and choose where you go? If this is the way the canucks are treating him then if I was bo I would not have extension in place with any team he’s traded to. Even if he were to re-sign with them he would wait till off season as it would benefit the future team he’s on lower cost to trade for him and he wouldn’t give a f what happens with the canucks if that’s the scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Most teams don't need a 1C or even a 2C, so why would they trade for BO? because Bo is better than most 2C's out there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petey Castiglione Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said: The chances is close to 0 you get the rhd from moving bo. Not without an extension in place. I don’t see Bo willing to extend with any team traded unless he’s being overpaid. Why extend when you can go into ufa pick and choose where you go? If this is the way the canucks are treating him then if I was bo I would not have extension in place with any team he’s traded to. Even if he were to re-sign with them he would wait till off season as it would benefit the future team he’s on lower cost to trade for him and he wouldn’t give a f what happens with the canucks if that’s the scenario How exactly are the Canucks treating him? By all accounts he's happy here. He's one of the faces of the franchise and the Captain. If anything, it's the fans that treat him like crap with all the trade him/take the captaincy away talk. All this will most likely be much a do about nothing. Bo will re-sign on a slight deal, stay captain and not have to move his young family to a new city/country. This is what I'd do if I was Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 50 minutes ago, DrJockitch said: JTM took his offensive game to the next level and abandoned all pretence of defensive play. Last night was a great example of a high event player both ways. Goal and assist and terrible giveaways leading to goals. Bo is not the same type of player as JTM and has in no way played second fiddle. Bo is first PP, PKs and comes out for most important faceoffs, a role JTM can’t be trusted with. This is totally false information. Miller is the leader of the PP, even directs traffic for the other players. BO literally plays the least important position on the PP which is the bumper spot. Miller also plays on the first unit PK and lead all forwards in PK ice time last night with 1:17 versus BO’s 0:50. Miller was also playing against McDavid. He took 20 face offs and won 11 of them for 55%. He also scored a goal and had an assist. BO floated around the entire evening looking like he wanted to be somewhere else. The only contribution he made was his face offs and a token 2nd assist on the PP. Petey had 3 hits last night. Miller had 2. BO had 1. Podkolzon set up BO at least 5 times last night and BO couldn’t score on any of those chances. We don’t need to pay a 3C $7 million+ to take face offs and play the bumper spot on the PP. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I think EP is a good case study for Bo. In order for the Canucks to crment themselves as a playoff team, they need their top players to at least play up to/out perform their contracts. EP is showing that. Can/will Bo do the same? Its only been 1 game so of course there needs to be patience, which is why I think MGMT are taking their time with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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