canuck73_3 Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Angry Goose said: I think EP is a good case study for Bo. In order for the Canucks to crment themselves as a playoff team, they need their top players to at least play up to/out perform their contracts. EP is showing that. Can/will Bo do the same? Its only been 1 game so of course there needs to be patience, which is why I think MGMT are taking their time with this. Considering Bo was one of our best players in the playoffs, I think he's fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Horvat, Boeser and Pearson. If JR can pull this off and get a true 3C and a couple legit top 4 Dmen plus a 2nd round pick for those 3 guys I will never call him grandpa ever again. Would you do this deal? To VAN: William Karlsson + Whitecloud To VGK: Horvat + Poolman Karlsson is expensive but essentially a very good defensive 3C, PK and faceoff guy. Whitecloud (3rd pairing RD in Vegas) has potential to be a top 4 RD in VAN... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BureBurrito Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Horvat is looking like a shell of his former self and have to think a change is coming... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: The chances is close to 0 you get the rhd from moving bo. Not without an extension in place. I don’t see Bo willing to extend with any team traded unless he’s being overpaid. Why extend when you can go into ufa pick and choose where you go? If this is the way the canucks are treating him then if I was bo I would not have extension in place with any team he’s traded to. Even if he were to re-sign with them he would wait till off season as it would benefit the future team he’s on lower cost to trade for him and he wouldn’t give a f what happens with the canucks if that’s the scenario This is the problem with trading Bo, you likely aren't getting full value for him without an extension in place. It's one of the points the keep Miller crowd would counter Miller proposals with. Top 4RD are something every team in the league wants, they're hard to find and teams typically lock them down and hold on to them. Especially when they're on the younger side. The odds of us getting a top 4RD, a 3C, and a 1st coming back for an unextended Horvat are pretty small I reckon. You're also likely not getting those pieces back from a team that already considers themself a playoff team. Maybe a contender tries to rent Horvat at the deadline if he's still unsigned but you probably aren't getting a top 4RD from them. If you get a D back from Horvat it'll be from a team that's not established yet, from a team trying to take the next step. I've seen Columbus thrown around as a team that might fit, but I still don't think they're going to give up a premium package for an unsigned Horvat. We aren't getting Dahlin or Power out of Buffalo for him, folks can dream on. He's not worth Dahlin and the Sabres would be dumb to give up on Power given his skillset and toolbox. I wouldn't trade a young 1OA player for Horvat and I like Horvat, just like I figured Laffy was never on the table for Miller. The NHL doesn't really do sign and trades, I think Tkachuk was the first ever? Folks can propose trading Horvat all they like but we likely aren't getting what folks would like back for Horvat without an extension in place. Edited October 14, 2022 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Our best playoff players as it stands are Horvat, Petey, Miller, Demko and Hughes. Everyone else falls under average to lesser playoff player or hasn’t played in the playoffs yet. If the goal is to win now work with the best that can get you to the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, AnthonyG said: It doesnt really make sense that Bo is playing “disinterested” This is a contract year afterall If Bo has a sh!t year, he’s going to have a tough time asking for what he wants. If Bo wants out, he’ll demand a trade. He isn’t going to half ass his way to free agency only to drop his stock and have less bargaining power. I agree, I don't expect him to fold I think Bo told his agent not to negotiate through the media If a deal gets done it gets done If not, he will have options after the year and knows he will not be unemployed and if Vancouver does not sign him, he will have some say in who he signs with and how much PA did mention Bo as one of the core (while oddly omitting BB) I believe i remember them saying that they may have to trade some well liked players (still early in the year) Bo is being paid and I think both sides have an understanding in place already of some sort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 hours ago, smithers joe said: who can live on a poultry 6mil a year? i don't think is more than a 6.750 mil player. contracts are all getting out of control. some would say that's chicken feed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophomore Jinx Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, tas said: some would say that's chicken feed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Rather get rid of Boeser and Garland. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, BigTramFan said: Would you do this deal? To VAN: William Karlsson + Whitecloud To VGK: Horvat + Poolman Karlsson is expensive but essentially a very good defensive 3C, PK and faceoff guy. Whitecloud (3rd pairing RD in Vegas) has potential to be a top 4 RD in VAN... Karlsson is too expensive I think. 5 more years would be tough to handle. I’d do Horvat for Peeke, Kuraly and a 2nd. Let’s see how those guys play against us when we play Columbus next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Petey Castiglione said: How exactly are the Canucks treating him? By all accounts he's happy here. He's one of the faces of the franchise and the Captain. If anything, it's the fans that treat him like crap with all the trade him/take the captaincy away talk. All this will most likely be much a do about nothing. Bo will re-sign on a slight deal, stay captain and not have to move his young family to a new city/country. This is what I'd do if I was Bo. well if the new management starts off with a lowball offer using RNH as a comparable and ask him to take a paycut as rumored.. that's a pretty big slap to the face. not only do you not offer him what he's making now.. you offer him even less for his prime years. i dunno how you would feel if you are negotiating a contract and your boss tells you, you have done a great job so far and we would like to keep you in vancouver. so here's an offer for less than what you make.. it's almost borderline what garland mikheyev is making lol.. so is that a joke? i dunno if you go into a negotiation with a player that have for whatever it's worth earned what he made in his last contract + some and offer him less than what he makes before. so horvat is only worth 60% of a miller?and only 10% more than a garland or mikheyev? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Rather get rid of Boeser and Garland. Forward strategy akin to our defensive one? No good right handed players at all. Sounds like a rather odd setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead73 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Horvat has what every team covets as much as a RHD... Who are you going to put on the ice, with the game on the line, a face off gives you possession and a chance to decide a game... It can't be said enough, you have zero chance to impact a game when the other team has the puck. He will get paid, by us, by someone else, whether you like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Rather get rid of Boeser and Garland. Move them both out to sign Kuzmenko and Horvat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Forward strategy akin to our defensive one? No good right handed players at all. Sounds like a rather odd setup. We have Kuz now and most of our credible prospects are RH wingers (Lekkerimaki, Karlsson, Lockwood, Klimovich). Pod usually plays the right side and Hog can play both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Coconuts said: In a cap world where superstars are going to take contracts in the 12-16M range going forward 2C's are gonna get paid too. Hell, even non-superstar 1C's are gonna get paid. MacKinnon is top dog now but you've got guys like Matthews, Draisaitl, and McDavid coming down the pipeline. Just wait. GM's will continually make things harder for each other each and every time. Yep… no question a lot of teams would have him as their 2C. Having said that, if he wants too much then he wants too much. We have two good centres signed already so don’t have to fold to whatever the demand is. I probably would have done Bo first, so they weren’t as worried about losing both him and Miller… but maybe a deal wasn’t to be had then. I don’t know why a $7 million times 8 year deal isn’t pretty fair for both sides. Same total dollars as Miller, but has to work one year longer to earn it. If the team is offering significantly less than that, they are out to lunch on his value or just don’t prioritize him very highly. If he is demanding a lot more than that, then he may mistaking how many suitors there would be for him at that price point. Maybe he gets $7.5-7.75 in free agency, but he may also not get that offer from a team he wants to play for and has a chance of winning. Not a lot of teams are likely going to shell out $8 million on him as he doesn’t rack up points at an elite level. The band of a fair deal seems pretty narrow at $6.75-7.25 million to me with a max term and some sort of limited trade protection (eg. 10 team no trade list). I do have a worry that what he does is underestimated and losing him could have a bigger knock on effect to the rest of the roster than the brass realizes. I remember when Tanev, Edler, and Stecher were being removed from the roster it seemed like an OK time to move on… but they were by far our best shot suppressing D and it left a gaping hole in the lineup that we still haven’t replaced. Now we try to miscast OEL and Myers into that role which takes away from their actual skillset. Edited October 14, 2022 by Provost 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, J-23 said: Move them both out to sign Kuzmenko and Horvat. Exactly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 hours ago, N7Nucks said: There is a lot of talk and baseless speculation about Bo's character right now, that I think is pretty weird. He has given no indication that he is the type of person some of you are saying he is. And the projection that he is "jealous" of Miller cause he signed first, also a huge stretch. He has never come off as envious. I dunno. This is why I hate when media speculation seeps it's way into discussions like these. Cause now we are trashing his character with nothing to go on except media sensationalism. Many , like myself have been calling his leadership style and Captaincy out for more than 1 season. This isn’t new,. But enough to prove he dosent get better than this.…. He is not an 8 or 7 m player, he is barely a 6m player . Non physical, Non vocal , should have been a beam of light last nigh especially. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: Considering Bo was one of our best players in the playoffs, I think he's fine. So we wait to get to the playoffs to see him play the way he should all season .. ? very Eriksson-esh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, SilentSam said: So we wait to get to the playoffs to see him play the way he should all season .. ? very Eriksson-esh. Not at all. Nor should he be s*** on over one ok game. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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