Elias Pettersson Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Devron said: Strong up the middle and strong defence. Wingers are far easier to find. I love the fact we have so many good wingers because we can move one and it wouldn’t be all that noticeable. Move a Center and it’s a huge hit. There is no need for a traditional 3rd line center when we can run three lines. Hell half the game is played on special teams anyways Yeah cause it's working so well right now why change it up, right? Maybe Bruce has it right by allowing Petey to run his own line. Considering it was our best line last game I wouldn't touch it. I'd actually add Podkolzin to that line and make it a defacto #1 line. Kuzy Petey Podzilla. Could be one of the best lines in the entire NHL. I'd put Miller in between Mikheyev and Garland and make that the defacto #2 line. Mikheyev has the speed to gel with Miller and he can be the defensive presence on that line like Podkolzin with the Petey line. As for the 3rd line, well we have Horvat, Pearson, Boeser and Hoglander left over. I don't think any combination of those guys makes a great 3rd line. I'd move out Horvat, Boeser and Pearson and try and get an actual 3rd line in place that can defend the opposition's top line and also try and add a couple of RHD as well. We aren't going anywhere with the current makeup of the team. I am sure JR knows this and is evaluating as we speak. Let's see what the first domino is to drop. As for the special teams, We went 1-8 on the PP, our PK is the worst in the league, so where exactly are we going with that? A pure 3C will help to fix the PK. Not sure how to fix the PP, probably need a new PP coach at this point... Edited October 14, 2022 by Elias Pettersson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: considering it was our best line last game I wouldn't touch it. 14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I'd actually add Podkolzin to that line and make it a defacto #1 line. One or the other, in this case you cannot have both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: A shutdown 3C, should he developed within the system or risk another Dickenson type situation. Canucks gave up a 3rd and 2nd for Dickenson, think about that ? The 2nd coming of Malhotra? Doesn't put up a lot of points but is very useful player Edited October 14, 2022 by ba;;isticsports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yeah cause it's working so well right now why change it up, right? Maybe Bruce has it right by allowing Petey to run his own line. Considering it was our best line last game I wouldn't touch it. I'd actually add Podkolzin to that line and make it a defacto #1 line. Kuzy Petey Podzilla. Could be one of the best lines in the entire NHL. I'd put Miller in between Mikheyev and Garland and make that the defacto #2 line. Mikheyev has the speed to gel with Miller and he can be the defensive presence on that line like Podkolzin with the Petey line. As for the 3rd line, well we have Horvat, Pearson, Boeser and Hoglander left over. I don't think any combination of those guys makes a great 3rd line. I'd move out Horvat, Boeser and Pearson and try and get an actual 3rd line in place that can defend the opposition's top line and also try and add a couple of RHD as well. We aren't going anywhere with the current makeup of the team. I am sure JR knows this and is evaluating as we speak. Let's see what the first domino is to drop. As for the special teams, We went 1-8 on the PP, our PK is the worst in the league, so where exactly are we going with that? A pure 3C will help to fix the PK. Not sure how to fix the PP, probably need a new PP coach at this point... It’s been one game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, EdgarM said: I don't really think this strategy is working. It’s been one game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 11 hours ago, Muttley said: If Horvat wants to stay long term, he'll have to think about a number that begins with 6. That maybe means 6.6 or so, but that's what I think right now. There's no harm waiting till after Christmas on this. Let it shake out a little. Yup it will happen. Bo will be re-signed. He wants to be here. It’ll fall into place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Devron said: Yup it will happen. Bo will be re-signed. He wants to be here. It’ll fall into place I wish I was as confident as you about the process. It's nerve wracking! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yeah cause it's working so well right now why change it up, right? Maybe Bruce has it right by allowing Petey to run his own line. Considering it was our best line last game I wouldn't touch it. I'd actually add Podkolzin to that line and make it a defacto #1 line. Kuzy Petey Podzilla. Could be one of the best lines in the entire NHL. I'd put Miller in between Mikheyev and Garland and make that the defacto #2 line. Mikheyev has the speed to gel with Miller and he can be the defensive presence on that line like Podkolzin with the Petey line. As for the 3rd line, well we have Horvat, Pearson, Boeser and Hoglander left over. I don't think any combination of those guys makes a great 3rd line. I'd move out Horvat, Boeser and Pearson and try and get an actual 3rd line in place that can defend the opposition's top line and also try and add a couple of RHD as well. We aren't going anywhere with the current makeup of the team. I am sure JR knows this and is evaluating as we speak. Let's see what the first domino is to drop. As for the special teams, We went 1-8 on the PP, our PK is the worst in the league, so where exactly are we going with that? A pure 3C will help to fix the PK. Not sure how to fix the PP, probably need a new PP coach at this point... I have been saying that we need to start getting set lines that can grow together and show some kind of chemistry. I think we are seeing that with Petey and Kuz already. I think Podz would compliment that line as well. I really like Garland and his creativeness and the ability to make good scoring chances out of nothing. He would compliment Miller and Mik too. I like Bo, Pears and Boes but i really wouldn't miss them if they were gone either. I am more interested in building a team that can handle all kinds of situations and have that special bond together. Not really seeing that with this group. We have a core I just hope we can fine tune it now so that we are more built for the playoffs and can handle any situation we may encounter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, gurn said: One or the other, in this case you cannot have both. This is completely true. I'll take the second option and add Podzilla to Petey's line... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Yeah cause it's working so well right now why change it up, right? Maybe Bruce has it right by allowing Petey to run his own line. Considering it was our best line last game I wouldn't touch it. I'd actually add Podkolzin to that line and make it a defacto #1 line. Kuzy Petey Podzilla. Could be one of the best lines in the entire NHL. I'd put Miller in between Mikheyev and Garland and make that the defacto #2 line. Mikheyev has the speed to gel with Miller and he can be the defensive presence on that line like Podkolzin with the Petey line. As for the 3rd line, well we have Horvat, Pearson, Boeser and Hoglander left over. I don't think any combination of those guys makes a great 3rd line. I'd move out Horvat, Boeser and Pearson and try and get an actual 3rd line in place that can defend the opposition's top line and also try and add a couple of RHD as well. We aren't going anywhere with the current makeup of the team. I am sure JR knows this and is evaluating as we speak. Let's see what the first domino is to drop. As for the special teams, We went 1-8 on the PP, our PK is the worst in the league, so where exactly are we going with that? A pure 3C will help to fix the PK. Not sure how to fix the PP, probably need a new PP coach at this point... A top 6 that can score, a third line shutdown and 4th line goon/youth line is 90s hockey. It isn’t structured like that in successful teams anymore. It is three scoring lines and a tough to play 4th. Rare;y are players allowed to play one side of the puck anymore and we see strength against strength more and more. Players like Pettey embrace the defensive side of the game and use their brains to do it well. We have the beginnings of three good scoring/all purpose lines and a fourth with PKers and lots of faceoff options. Structurally that is a good setup. Cutting the scoring out of the third line doesn’t make us better it makes us look like what EA thinks of as a good setup. Our issues is the overall lack of size and speed in top 9 and of course our D. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: I do understand that, I am very familiar with Horvat's resume. The issue is JR doesn't want to pay him for all of that because we now have Miller locked up long term as our 1C and Petey is our 2C, even though some won't ever get over this and continue in calling him a winger. So that leaves BO as a 3C. Does he get more ice time than a typical 3C? Sure, he does. That is because the team is putting him in those positions to get more ice time. The bumper spot on the PP, the PK, taking most of the defensive zones draws, etc. The reason he hasn't been signed yet is because the team does not want to pay him as a 2C, they want to pay him as a 3C. We can get someone else to play the bumper spot. I would put Podkolzin in there. He has all the tools to succeed in that role and he's only making 925k. As for the PK, Horvat is an average defensive player, so we are better off getting an actual pure 3C who can be a top PK'er in this league who can partner with Mikheyev. Horvat isn't that guy. As for faceoffs, that 3C can also be our main faceoff guy and take most of the important draws. That 3C doesn't need to score 30 goals. He can be a 10-15 goal scorer. We can make up the other 15 goals from our wingers. Kuzmenko looks like he can score 30 just by himself. Add in Podkolzin and Mikheyev and we have plenty of guys who can make up the difference. Seems to me that management agrees with my take. If they didn't Horvat would have been signed already if they felt the same as you do... Hence the Nuge Hopkin comparable that management has given to Horvat camp. And honestly I think they are right. I do think Horvat is better but not by much. His face off prowess is amazing but he does not have the play making ability that Nuge has. One thing that has bothered me with Horvat is that they have put almost every winger at his side and none have ever panned out. He’s a very North/south player and has problems utilizing his wingers. He can play with guys like Pearson no problem, but if you give him someone skilled he just can’t seem to mesh with them…as much as I loved Kesler back in the day that was the same issue with him. Never used his wingers properly. In Keslers defence he was way more dynamic than Horvat has ever been, so it didn’t matter too much. Kesler could carry the team himself some nights. I rarely see Horvat carry the team and put it on his back. I want change, and moving Horvat will immediately make a difference in the locker room and on the ice…with all due respect to the hard work he has put in for us over the years I think it’s time to move on. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 50 minutes ago, Attila Umbrus said: Hence the Nuge Hopkin comparable that management has given to Horvat camp. And honestly I think they are right. I do think Horvat is better but not by much. His face off prowess is amazing but he does not have the play making ability that Nuge has. One thing that has bothered me with Horvat is that they have put almost every winger at his side and none have ever panned out. He’s a very North/south player and has problems utilizing his wingers. He can play with guys like Pearson no problem, but if you give him someone skilled he just can’t seem to mesh with them…as much as I loved Kesler back in the day that was the same issue with him. Never used his wingers properly. In Keslers defence he was way more dynamic than Horvat has ever been, so it didn’t matter too much. Kesler could carry the team himself some nights. I rarely see Horvat carry the team and put it on his back. I want change, and moving Horvat will immediately make a difference in the locker room and on the ice…with all due respect to the hard work he has put in for us over the years I think it’s time to move on. I feel this way too it just seems nothing with him spells I want to lead this team to a Stanley Cup. He does a lot of things "OK" and he is really good at face offs but I am looking for more then that in a Captain. This is his 9th Season here and he is what he is. He helped in the transition from the Sedins but I think its time for him to move on as well. This team is ready for a new identity and I don't think that will happen with him here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Darius said: Excellent points, I agree with almost everything(sorry to jump in here btw) But when I read trade Boeser, or trade Garland to fix the D...I dont get it. Not because Im against trading those guys - but will those guys get you a dman that will move the needle here. There are a lot of questions around Brock right now (and this comes from a big fan of his). Can he live up to the contract. Have all the injuries summed up to the point where he is permanently confined to be a 20-25 goal guy. I dont know if many teams will part with what we are looking for to take a chance on Brock. Maybe next year if he puts up 30 goals? Garland is good too. But.. Small one time 50 point wingers arent that hard to find. Can he get us that impact D man.? Would you give up an impact D man for Garland? There are 5 players on the team that can get us what we are looking for IMHO. We arent trading 2 of them, one guy plays goal, and the other was signed in the summer. That leaves Bo IMHO. I dont want to trade him...but In light of the fact that they are trotting out one of the most expensive, and at the same time underwhelming, D cores in the league I dont know how they are going to make this all work without moving him. I suppose the answer to your question partially depends on what kind of D you think we need. For all the talk of how we need to fix our D there doesn't seem to be much discussion related to exactly what'd that look like in terms of player type or play style. I'm of the opinion that yes, we do need another two top 4D but that they don't necessarily need to be 1-2 style guys. What is an "impact D man"? Well, let's examine what we've already got. Ideally you'd get someone who can compliment Hughes, and honestly you could probably get away with a #3-4D playing with him. You'd ideally want someone a bit bigger but that doesn't mean you mean a mountain of a man. You'd want someone intelligent who allows him to be his dynamic self but who's not useless with the puck. We don't need a high end dynamo to compliment Hughes, we need someone who frees him up to be that dynamo. As for OEL, I think he's still got offense to give but he plays a different role to cover for Myers. You could probably get away with a #3-4D with him because he's arguably a #2-3 on many teams and a #1 on some of the worst teams. You just need someone steady, OEL is fine at both ends of the ice. I do think we could acquire those players for wingers, they just wouldn't be in that top tier. But part of fixing our D isn't having an all-star D cast, it's about having four legit top 4D or as close to that as we can get. We're likely not getting guys who put up a bunch of points from other teams, those guys don't typically get moved. We're looking for steady players who can compliment what we've got but who aren't third pairing guys. Improve the depth and that fixes the D, most teams don't have a stellar bottom pairing but you can get away with steady players. We've got plenty of guys who can play those roles. Getting what we need might involve adding to Boeser or/and Garland, it might cost us Rathbone. But depending on the age of the players we get back, maybe it'd be worth it. Rathbone is getting to the point where he's almost not in prospect territory anymore anyway, he'll be 24 in May. 15 hours ago, SilentSam said: But I don’t think it will work if he is asking anything above what Boeser is signed for right now . 6.25 ?? Even then if Bo signed for 6.25 , those 2 are fighting to stay with the Canucks. If a trade comes that makes sense, is the option that Management is not going to give away right now. To quote Tina Turner “2 men enter , 1 man leaves.” Also, Something interesting is happening in the league dynamically now with signings. Some Teams are willing to go “all in” on RFA’s, or risk losing them because they don’t want to stay with a club. Other RFA ‘s. are opting to just ask for a trade. Not trying to flip a table here Nuts, but patience is certainly a virtue right now. Personally , I’d like to see Horvat consistently play with a fire in his belly, and only wish he was mentored by Smyl , back when, and not the Twins. Patience is a virtue, the RFA is a bit weird but there are always ebbs and flows with this stuff. Guys are getting paid on potential much sooner, it's hard to gauge. I think Bo at 7M would be fair value for both sides, not a discount but fair. I think center's are worth giving a bit more, and I think both sides are still playing their part. It's the agent's job to get the best deal for his client, management has gotta look out for their interests. It doesn't sound like a hostile negotiation, it's just a negotiation. Who knows, maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised. Trades are hard and we've little idea what management is up to, this group doesn't give away much. Which is good. 14 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Podkolzin played some centre when he was in Russia. He's similar to Rantanen who can step in and play centre in Colorado. Colorado doesn't have an actual centre playing wing, so it is not necessary to have that. What we need is an actual 3C who is great at faceoffs and a great penalty killer. Horvat is not a 3C, he is not great at penalty killing. Neither is Miller or Petey which is why we need that pure 3C. Our penalty killing is going to suck until we get one. You're overstating what Rantanen does, his historical numbers dictate he doesn't take many draws on a season to season basis. He steps in but it's not a whole lot, some of it can also be tied to center's getting tossed out of the dot as opposed to his initially being meant to take draws as well. Last year was the most he'd ever taken and he still didn't break 400 over the course of the season. This may change with Colorado having not replaced Kadri, but historically it hasn't really been his jam up until last season. https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/r/rantami01.html As for Podz, that's yet to show at the NHL level and can't be counted on as a given at the NHL level. He played limited minutes and games at the KHL level and I"m not going to put much stock in what he did at levels below that. He's not similar to Rantanen yet, he's taken 19 career faceoffs, let's hold our horses with Podz and not get carried away just yet. And yes, which is why I've been saying that all summer. But Bo's perfectly fine as a 2C who carries some of that load. 14 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: He is miscast as a defensive centre because he isn't a 3C, he is a 2C. He shouldn't be playing the role of checking the other team's top line, he should be allowed to be a 2C. Which is the whole point of my argument that we need a pure 3C who can take faceoffs, can kill penalties and can check the opposition's top line. Horvat isn't that guy. Either Horvat plays as a 2C and we move Petey to the wing, or Horvat gets traded, and we need to bring in a 3C. Your argument is for the former, which is fine, my argument is for the latter, which is where we disagree on. Petey needs to play centre, period. He will learn to get better on faceoffs, I am sure Miller will teach him. Yup, but that's a management issue. They haven't brought in anyone who's effectively been able to take that role away from Horvat, miscast or not. That's a personnel issue and that ain't on Horvat. We agree on everything but what should happen with Horvat, and your terminology related to how Pettersson may or may not develop. Pettersson has yet to show he can do it full time, I'm not buying it until he does for a lengthy stretch. Potential is potential until realized, maybe he becomes an effective center but until he does just that it's just potential. As for whether he'll learn, nah. You don't know any more than I do, that's far from a guarantee. There's no point in going around in circles over it, time will tell. Edited October 14, 2022 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Yup, but that's a management issue. They haven't brought in anyone who's effectively been able to take that role away from Horvat, miscast or not. That's a personnel issue and that ain't on Horvat. We agree on everything but what should happen with Horvat, and your terminology related to how Pettersson may or may not develop. Pettersson has yet to show he can do it full time, I'm not buying it until he does for a lengthy stretch. Potential is potential until realized, maybe he becomes an effective center but until he does just that it's just potential. As for whether he'll learn, nah. You don't know any more than I do, that's far from a guarantee. There's no point in going around in circles over it, time will tell. Unfortunately, JR/PA have to make a decision on Horvat pretty quickly, they are not going to wait it out to see if Petey can excel in the faceoff dot. They are either keeping Horvat long term and working with what they have now, or they are going to trade him and figure out what to do at 3C during that time. Whether Petey becomes better in the faceoff dot is a moot point as far as the current situation with Horvat goes. I believe they have already made a decision. No way they are dragging this out for months and making it a distraction to the team. I believe we will get a resolution to this situation by the end of the month. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Unfortunately, JR/PA have to make a decision on Horvat pretty quickly, they are not going to wait it out to see if Petey can excel in the faceoff dot. They are either keeping Horvat long term and working with what they have now, or they are going to trade him and figure out what to do at 3C during that time. Whether Petey becomes better in the faceoff dot is a moot point as far as the current situation with Horvat goes. I believe they have already made a decision. No way they are dragging this out for months and making it a distraction to the team. I believe we will get a resolution to this situation by the end of the month. Petey doesn't have to be stellar on face offs, e.g., McPouty has only been over 50% one season. But he has to get to 47-48% range at least. I don't think there's any pressure to make a Horvat decision, I think its the same as with Miller, a week or two before the TDL if there's no movement on contract extension then they move him for what they can. I think its that simple. They can't panic overspend on Bo, and they've already doubled down on Miller and have Petey under contract for at least 3 seasons including this one. If Bo's agent really holds out for a contract in the 8's, I think thats it for Bo's time here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 hour ago, EdgarM said: I feel this way too it just seems nothing with him spells I want to lead this team to a Stanley Cup. He does a lot of things "OK" and he is really good at face offs but I am looking for more then that in a Captain. This is his 9th Season here and he is what he is. He helped in the transition from the Sedins but I think its time for him to move on as well. This team is ready for a new identity and I don't think that will happen with him here. Agree, but I honestly feel bad for feeling this way. He has given everything to this team that he can offer. I have nothing but respect for him as a player. But right now, where this team is trending he just doesn’t fit with the new direction. Will see how this all plays out, but I definitely will not be shocked to see him traded. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 28 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I suppose the answer to your question partially depends on what kind of D you think we need. For all the talk of how we need to fix our D there doesn't seem to be much discussion related to exactly what'd that look like in terms of player type or play style. I'm of the opinion that yes, we do need another two top 4D but that they don't necessarily need to be 1-2 style guys. What is an "impact D man"? Well, let's examine what we've already got. Ideally you'd get someone who can compliment Hughes, and honestly you could probably get away with a #3-4D playing with him. You'd ideally want someone a bit bigger but that doesn't mean you mean a mountain of a man. You'd want someone intelligent who allows him to be his dynamic self but who's not useless with the puck. We don't need a high end dynamo to compliment Hughes, we need someone who frees him up to be that dynamo. As for OEL, I think he's still got offense to give but he plays a different role to cover for Myers. You could probably get away with a #3-4D with him because he's arguably a #2-3 on many teams and a #1 on some of the worst teams. You just need someone steady, OEL is fine at both ends of the ice. I do think we could acquire those players for wingers, they just wouldn't be in that top tier. But part of fixing our D isn't having an all-star D cast, it's about having four legit top 4D or as close to that as we can get. We're likely not getting guys who put up a bunch of points from other teams, those guys don't typically get moved. We're looking for steady players who can compliment what we've got but who aren't third pairing guys. Improve the depth and that fixes the D, most teams don't have a stellar bottom pairing but you can get away with steady players. We've got plenty of guys who can play those roles. Getting what we need might involve adding to Boeser or/and Garland, it might cost us Rathbone. But depending on the age of the players we get back, maybe it'd be worth it. Rathbone is getting to the point where he's almost not in prospect territory anymore anyway, he'll be 24 in May. Patience is a virtue, the RFA is a bit weird but there are always ebbs and flows with this stuff. Guys are getting paid on potential much sooner, it's hard to gauge. I think Bo at 7M would be fair value for both sides, not a discount but fair. I think center's are worth giving a bit more, and I think both sides are still playing their part. It's the agent's job to get the best deal for his client, management has gotta look out for their interests. It doesn't sound like a hostile negotiation, it's just a negotiation. Who knows, maybe you'll be pleasantly surprised. Trades are hard and we've little idea what management is up to, this group doesn't give away much. Which is good. You're overstating what Rantanen does, his historical numbers dictate he doesn't take many draws on a season to season basis. He steps in but it's not a whole lot, some of it can also be tied to center's getting tossed out of the dot as opposed to his initially being meant to take draws as well. Last year was the most he'd ever taken and he still didn't break 400 over the course of the season. This may change with Colorado having not replaced Kadri, but historically it hasn't really been his jam up until last season. https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/r/rantami01.html As for Podz, that's yet to show at the NHL level and can't be counted on as a given at the NHL level. He played limited minutes and games at the KHL level and I"m not going to put much stock in what he did at levels below that. He's not similar to Rantanen yet, he's taken 19 career faceoffs, let's hold our horses with Podz and not get carried away just yet. And yes, which is why I've been saying that all summer. But Bo's perfectly fine as a 2C who carries some of that load. Yup, but that's a management issue. They haven't brought in anyone who's effectively been able to take that role away from Horvat, miscast or not. That's a personnel issue and that ain't on Horvat. We agree on everything but what should happen with Horvat, and your terminology related to how Pettersson may or may not develop. Pettersson has yet to show he can do it full time, I'm not buying it until he does for a lengthy stretch. Potential is potential until realized, maybe he becomes an effective center but until he does just that it's just potential. As for whether he'll learn, nah. You don't know any more than I do, that's far from a guarantee. There's no point in going around in circles over it, time will tell. Not 7m . Then we go try and pry an unhappy Mark Scheifele out of Winnipeg on his contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Unfortunately, JR/PA have to make a decision on Horvat pretty quickly, they are not going to wait it out to see if Petey can excel in the faceoff dot. They are either keeping Horvat long term and working with what they have now, or they are going to trade him and figure out what to do at 3C during that time. Whether Petey becomes better in the faceoff dot is a moot point as far as the current situation with Horvat goes. I believe they have already made a decision. No way they are dragging this out for months and making it a distraction to the team. I believe we will get a resolution to this situation by the end of the month. I don't believe things are as time sensitive as you make them out to be, if he's not signed prior to the deadline there's a good chance he'll be traded but considering we're a single game in there's not nearly the kind of pressure to get something done that folks are presenting there to be. We just went through the exact same thing with Miller last season, some would argue it worked out alright. Patience is a virtue, rushing to make make moves for the sake of making moves is foolish. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: I don't believe things are as time sensitive as you make them out to be, if he's not signed prior to the deadline there's a good chance he'll be traded but considering we're a single game in there's not nearly the kind of pressure to get something done that folks are presenting there to be. We just went through the exact same thing with Miller last season, some would argue it worked out alright. Patience is a virtue, rushing to make make moves for the sake of making moves is foolish. I don't believe there's the same market pressure with Bo as there was with Miller. Partly maybe because we blew the collective wad on the whole Miller thing and there isn't energy in the market to ramp that up again, but also because of familiarity. We all know who Bo is as a player, and what he brings. Not sure anyone see that in the 8 mil range. This feels like the same mistake Klingbergs agent made. We can't really replace Bo in next years UFA season, but there should be some good 3C options: https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2024/caphit/all/center/ufa?stats-season=2023 I would expect picks and prospects back for Bo and not a roster player, so maybe thats where that itch gets scratched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 minute ago, SilentSam said: Not 7m . Then we go try and pry an unhappy Mark Scheifele out of Winnipeg on his contract. Dunno, he's talented but there's not a whole lot of positive buzz around the guy. Him and Wheeler aren't looked at the way they used to be nowadays. We don't have to agree on 7M, that's fine. But there are comparables out there for it. Landeskog exists but so does Hayes. If things were more cut and dry there'd likely be a deal done already imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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