Elias Pettersson Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, JM_ said: Petey doesn't have to be stellar on face offs, e.g., McPouty has only been over 50% one season. But he has to get to 47-48% range at least. I don't think there's any pressure to make a Horvat decision, I think its the same as with Miller, a week or two before the TDL if there's no movement on contract extension then they move him for what they can. I think its that simple. They can't panic overspend on Bo, and they've already doubled down on Miller and have Petey under contract for at least 3 seasons including this one. If Bo's agent really holds out for a contract in the 8's, I think thats it for Bo's time here. I don’t think they are going to drag this out until the TDL. If we are in a playoff spot and we are getting picks and prospects for Horvat (which is what is going to happen at the TDL) then say goodbye to the playoffs. With the Miller signing that is proof we are now in our window. We aren’t throwing away the 2023 playoffs because of Horvat’s extension. Edited October 14, 2022 by Elias Pettersson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: I don’t they are going to drag this out until the TDL. If we are in a playoff spot and we are getting picks and prospects for Horvat (which is what is going to happen at the TDL) then say goodbye to the playoffs. With the Millef signing that is proof we are now in our window. We aren’t throwing away the 2023 playoffs because of Horvat’s extension. I think JR is pretty gangster and would make that call to move Bo, vs. re-up him in the 8s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, JM_ said: I don't believe there's the same market pressure with Bo as there was with Miller. Partly maybe because we blew the collective wad on the whole Miller thing and there isn't energy in the market to ramp that up again, but also because of familiarity. We all know who Bo is as a player, and what he brings. Not sure anyone see that in the 8 mil range. This feels like the same mistake Klingbergs agent made. We can't really replace Bo in next years UFA season, but there should be some good 3C options: https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2024/caphit/all/center/ufa?stats-season=2023 I would expect picks and prospects back for Bo and not a roster player, so maybe thats where that itch gets scratched. I don't think he's actually looking for 8M, one side is always gonna go high and one will always go low. The end result is usually closer to the middle than either pole. I think folks are just impatient and rabid hockey fans will stir the pot themselves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Attila Umbrus said: Agree, but I honestly feel bad for feeling this way. He has given everything to this team that he can offer. I have nothing but respect for him as a player. But right now, where this team is trending he just doesn’t fit with the new direction. Will see how this all plays out, but I definitely will not be shocked to see him traded. If you feel this bad about Horvat imagine how Canucks fans felt about Linden? I mean he led us to the greatest playoff run in Canucks history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I don't believe things are as time sensitive as you make them out to be, if he's not signed prior to the deadline there's a good chance he'll be traded but considering we're a single game in there's not nearly the kind of pressure to get something done that folks are presenting there to be. We just went through the exact same thing with Miller last season, some would argue it worked out alright. Patience is a virtue, rushing to make make moves for the sake of making moves is foolish. Miller wasn’t a UFA last year. We had another year to figure it out. There is no scenario where JR waits until this years trade deadline to deal with Horvat. None. I can guarantee it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: If you feel this bad about Horvat imagine how Canucks fans felt about Linden? I mean he led us to the greatest playoff run in Canucks history. I was gutted no doubt about it. And it coincides with some of the worst hockey I’ve seen Canucks wise…I shudder. So happy we got Linden back to play out his career here. edit: I will say this, Horvat is not in the realm of Linden for me. Not even close. Edited October 14, 2022 by Attila Umbrus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: I don’t think they are going to drag this out until the TDL. If we are in a playoff spot and we are getting picks and prospects for Horvat (which is what is going to happen at the TDL) then say goodbye to the playoffs. With the Miller signing that is proof we are now in our window. We aren’t throwing away the 2023 playoffs because of Horvat’s extension. Good point, even JR hinted that he’s not gonna sit and wait to get Horvat extended. If he makes a move it will be early in the season IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, JM_ said: I think JR is pretty gangster and would make that call to move Bo, vs. re-up him in the 8s. Well if he goes into gangster mode then he should be able to get us players back. Picks and prospects would effectively take us out of the 2023 playoffs. If that happens Aquilini might go into gangster mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Attila Umbrus said: Good point, even JR hinted that he’s not gonna sit and wait to get Horvat extended. If he makes a move it will be early in the season IMO. How many really big trades historically happen in the NHL before Xmas break? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Miller wasn’t a UFA last year. We had another year to figure it out. There is no scenario where JR waits until this years trade deadline to deal with Horvat. None. I can guarantee it. I mean, your guarantees on here mean as much as mine. Zilch. If by the trade deadline you mean the day of the trade deadline though, sure, I'm inclined to agree with you. It'd likely be within a month or two of the deadline imo, but it's anyone guess. But no, I don't believe there's any reason to rush a Horvat move and the pressure to do so probably isn't what people think. Rutherford and co have already demonstrated a willingness to get assets for expiring assets when they moved Motte, I'm not overly concerned about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Coconuts said: I mean, your guarantees on here mean as much as mine. Zilch. If by the trade deadline you mean the day of the trade deadline though, sure, I'm inclined to agree with you. It'd likely be within a month or two of the deadline imo, but it's anyone guess. But no, I don't believe there's any reason to rush a Horvat move and the pressure to do so probably isn't what people think. Rutherford and co have already demonstrated a willingness to get assets for expiring assets when they moved Motte, I'm not overly concerned about it. Petey’s guarantee is worth much more than one from a Coconut…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Well if he goes into gangster mode then he should be able to get us players back. Picks and prospects would effectively take us out of the 2023 playoffs. If that happens Aquilini might go into gangster mode. Aqua gonna lay low for a while I'd think. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Petey’s guarantee is worth much more than one from a Coconut…. Wait, you guys aren't like... really.. actually... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 17 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Dunno, he's talented but there's not a whole lot of positive buzz around the guy. Him and Wheeler aren't looked at the way they used to be nowadays. We don't have to agree on 7M, that's fine. But there are comparables out there for it. Landeskog exists but so does Hayes. If things were more cut and dry there'd likely be a deal done already imo. Scheifele has been over a point per game the last 6 seasons. plays with intensity , with a physical prowess . 6.125 for 2 more seasons. he needs a change of scenery I’ll agree , but don’t start leaning towards “in the dressing room” or questioning “cancer” stuff. Winnipeg IS Winnipeg . cold flat and depressing . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Petey’s guarantee is worth much more than one from a Coconut…. But can the same be said of a Pettersson impersonator? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Strawbone said: How many really big trades historically happen in the NHL before Xmas break? Oh geez, not sure really lol. I know it’s rare but it does happen. I just think if he’s gonna do it he better do it soon. You want to build team chemistry through the year and the earlier the better IMO. Early season trades do happen, and I don’t think Horvat would be an absolute block buster trade. Maybe in Canucks land it would be, but it’s a trade involving a 60 point 2nd line center. These trades do happen. It’s not like they are trading a franchise all star player. I think the return will be solid, but maybe less than some here may think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Umbrus Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 1 minute ago, SilentSam said: Scheifele has been over a point per game the last 6 seasons. plays with intensity , with a physical prowess . 6.125 for 2 more seasons. he needs a change of scenery I’ll agree , but don’t start leaning towards “in the dressing room” or questioning “cancer” stuff. Winnipeg IS Winnipeg . cold flat and depressing . …But they have lots of mosquito infested lakes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Scheifele has been over a point per game the last 6 seasons. plays with intensity , with a physical prowess . 6.125 for 2 more seasons. he needs a change of scenery I’ll agree , but don’t start leaning towards “in the dressing room” or questioning “cancer” stuff. Winnipeg IS Winnipeg . cold flat and depressing . You don't have to buy it, you don't care as much about the off-ice stuff from what I understand. But the buzz hasn't been good, we'll leave it at that. If he ever walked to UFA, who knows. But I don't imagine he'd be traded here. If there's nothing to it they're better off simply keeping him, they need center's too and with the uncertainty surrounding Dubois and Wheeler being 36 it doesn't make sense for them to fritter away a center who produces. Winnipeg is likely a team that wants to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 You've all been pleasant distractions from my paper today, you are appreciated 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted October 14, 2022 Share Posted October 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Scheifele has been over a point per game the last 6 seasons. plays with intensity , with a physical prowess . 6.125 for 2 more seasons. he needs a change of scenery I’ll agree , but don’t start leaning towards “in the dressing room” or questioning “cancer” stuff. Winnipeg IS Winnipeg . cold flat and depressing . What about Horvat for PLD? Winnipeg can sign him to an 8 year extension and he can be their 1C after Scheifele leaves. BO would be closer to home as well. PLD can play with Petey and Kuzy. We can always find a 3C who can take face offs in the summer as a UFA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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