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Here is my quick summary of the situation:

 

-I would prefer Bo over JT given the likely contract differences to be our 2C for the longer term.  Even at the same value I would give the edge to Bo due to speed and relative consistency.

 

-I do not see Bo as the captain of this team, as his leadership style is muted at best.  He is steady (Great for a long term 2C), but I don't see enough true leadership as captain

 

-The true leader of this team is Petey and we should just give him that opportunity.  He is passionate, plays with high effort (Along with skill) and is discussing plays back at the bench showing he wants to find ways to improve at each step.  He is engaged.

 

-We should have taken Chytil, Lundkvist and a 1st for Miller as is adds to the depth, but more importantly gives us major cap flexibility.  Obviously not the best package we could have dreamed of, but given our timeline and needs, it would have been a great opportunity to expand our depth.  The 1st while low, will be someone of interest and the cap flexibility can turn into a direct need rather than depth in an area we already have.

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Bo plays one game in 30 like he did, and the lovers are throwing flowers lol.

 

We’re 4 games in,  let’s get a home stand in and get to 10 games.

We havent played bad,  we are scoring, but not looking to control and take time and space away after the lead.. we get too aggressive with the lead thinking there’s a “buffer”.

but it’s hockey .   

Home, last line change,  and things will groove in.

Last night was the first we dressed an almost full line up,  and 2 key players first game.

 

Stay tuned..

 

(regardless Bo’s trade value just went up ;) , finally.)

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2 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Bo plays one game in 30 like he did, and the lovers are throwing flowers lol.

 

We’re 4 games in,  let’s get a home stand in and get to 10 games.

We havent played bad,  we are scoring, but not looking to control and take time and space away after the lead.. we get too aggressive with the lead thinking there’s a “buffer”.

but it’s hockey .   

Home, last line change,  and things will groove in.

Last night was the first we dressed an almost full line up,  and 2 key players first game.

 

Stay tuned..

 

(regardless Bo’s trade value just went up ;) , finally.)

100% agree, but my concern lies in the coaching/ management decisions. How we bench a guy that gives 120% versus a 4th liner that has been struggling baffles me. As we've discussed, BB has been juggling lines, and keeping Garland in Joshua out would have been very easy given Ilya is a 200' foot player.

 

JT is in one of his normal funks, along with the pouty BS. In addition, the lack of having even 1 top 4 RHD in the lineup for the first 3 games totally eroded Hughes confidence. So why did they get so much time in OT.

 

The Canucks crappy start is related to 4 things:

1) PA not dealing with the RHD; inexcusable

2) Myers injury compounded #1

3) 1&2 eroding QH's confidence

4) Not playing your starters in PS to build chemistry

5) above resulting in what we are seeing with the fwd group

 

Managements fix; do FA, except bench one of your best CORSI players and overplay guys with zero effort and confidence. PA, JR, and BB are a clown show!

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3 minutes ago, coryberg said:

He has 23 goals and 13 assists in his last 41 games. Imagine if he actually played 39 of those games "like he did".

Bo had a slow start like the rest of the fwds. He is one of the most consistent and hardworking players on this team. The hate is unwarranted.

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I still think a forward needs to be traded and a Dman brought back in (or at the very least pick and a prospect). 

 

I'd prefer if we traded Miller still and resigned Bo as our 2C (this isn't related to his play in the first 4 games) and I think technically we could since his trade protection is on his next contract I believe, but I know it wouldn't be a great look. 

 

Regardless if not Miller then 1 of Bo, Garland, Boeser will need to be moved to free up some cap for Kuzmenko (if we decide to resign him) and for a defensive Dman. 

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1 hour ago, Bobby James said:

I still think a forward needs to be traded and a Dman brought back in (or at the very least pick and a prospect). 

 

I'd prefer if we traded Miller still and resigned Bo as our 2C (this isn't related to his play in the first 4 games) and I think technically we could since his trade protection is on his next contract I believe, but I know it wouldn't be a great look. 

 

Regardless if not Miller then 1 of Bo, Garland, Boeser will need to be moved to free up some cap for Kuzmenko (if we decide to resign him) and for a defensive Dman. 

Beoser should have never been signed to a multi year contract. He hasn't even lived up to a 3m contract let alone a multi year 6.65m. PA should have simply paid him his QO, then choose him or Kuz to pay; traded the other.  Patrick Allvin; the Swedish Bozo!

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9 hours ago, coryberg said:

He has 23 goals and 13 assists in his last 41 games. Imagine if he actually played 39 of those games "like he did".

I’m referring to his intensity, not points .

Player Points dont help your team when you lose..  but intensity and attention to detail in your entire game can help more in the win column.

Many , like you wait salivating for Bo to appear in the playoffs ,  “playoff Bo” is what we got last night,.  And thats as though it’s about 1 in 30 games.

If he played every game like he did last night , he would be signed already.

but he dosent,  and he won’t, so he won’t be.

 He’s a trade asset,  and management is sitting on that.

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9 hours ago, BC_Hawk said:

100% agree, but my concern lies in the coaching/ management decisions. How we bench a guy that gives 120% versus a 4th liner that has been struggling baffles me. As we've discussed, BB has been juggling lines, and keeping Garland in Joshua out would have been very easy given Ilya is a 200' foot player.

 

JT is in one of his normal funks, along with the pouty BS. In addition, the lack of having even 1 top 4 RHD in the lineup for the first 3 games totally eroded Hughes confidence. So why did they get so much time in OT.

 

The Canucks crappy start is related to 4 things:

1) PA not dealing with the RHD; inexcusable

2) Myers injury compounded #1

3) 1&2 eroding QH's confidence

4) Not playing your starters in PS to build chemistry

5) above resulting in what we are seeing with the fwd group

 

Managements fix; do FA, except bench one of your best CORSI players and overplay guys with zero effort and confidence. PA, JR, and BB are a clown show!

“Benching one of our best corsi players”

I think your referring to Garland..

 

I think it’s a premeditated move to show everyone else on the team that regardless of status or expectations,  good players will be benched.

I don’t think it was as much a move to throw in Garlands face,.  As it may have been more a move of creating a template for expectations from all players.

I think it’s a bit of an “old school” strategy, that needed to be pulled out of the coaches handbook.

Its sending a message, not to Garland, but to others.

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37 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

“Benching one of our best corsi players”

I think your referring to Garland..

 

I think it’s a premeditated move to show everyone else on the team that regardless of status or expectations,  good players will be benched.

I don’t think it was as much a move to throw in Garlands face,.  As it may have been more a move of creating a template for expectations from all players.

I think it’s a bit of an “old school” strategy, that needed to be pulled out of the coaches handbook.

Its sending a message, not to Garland, but to others.

Old school, for show..or whatever. BB benched one of our better players and worsened our chance to win; pathetic! Why not Bench Beoser or make Miller miss some shifts instead. Bush league move by a bush league managed team. As Jannick said; they needed to the fix d, it’s tough…but they did nothing. 

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10 hours ago, SilentSam said:

Bo plays one game in 30 like he did, and the lovers are throwing flowers lol.

 

We’re 4 games in,  let’s get a home stand in and get to 10 games.

We havent played bad,  we are scoring, but not looking to control and take time and space away after the lead.. we get too aggressive with the lead thinking there’s a “buffer”.

but it’s hockey .   

Home, last line change,  and things will groove in.

Last night was the first we dressed an almost full line up,  and 2 key players first game.

 

Stay tuned..

 

(regardless Bo’s trade value just went up ;) , finally.)

Not sure why you’re so hell bent on shitting all over Bo to prop up Miller who’s been lazy af defensively. 

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On 10/18/2022 at 7:07 AM, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Yes.

 

He hasnt shown nearly enough to be worth the money he wants, AND they had to "overpay for a PK specialist" in part b/c he's not good on the PK, despite his camp trying to compare him to a Selke winner like Couturier.

Kinda funny we started killing penalties once we started Bo on the PK. Fricken finally 

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Just now, canuck73_3 said:

This. Not even remotely close right now. 

It’s so fricken obvious it’s stupid. Winger needs to be packaged for a defencemen. If we are going to scratch a great winger like Garland. Probably our best all around winger mind you. Then trade him. The Bo hate is complete ignorance. And I can tell you right now I’m going to love every second watching these guys cry when Bo is re-signed 

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38 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Not sure why you’re so hell bent on shitting all over Bo to prop up Miller who’s been lazy af defensively. 

I’m not propping up Miller, he is signed,  Bo isn’t,   There’s a reason for that,  it’s what management wanted ,  otherwise they’d be sitting on both contracts.… and I’m not shitting on Bo ..  he is usually playing emotionless.. and seemingly I engaged physically.

He is not the best asset on the Canucks.… but he might be the best asset to move to strengthen the Team with something that addresses a weakness.

Mihky, Kuz, Garland,  even Hogz play may make Boeser more expendable..  but his game is still off, skating like he’s in mud,  I don’t think we’d get much back for him unless his game gets a lot better.

 

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23 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

I’m not propping up Miller, he is signed,  Bo isn’t,   There’s a reason for that,  it’s what management wanted ,  otherwise they’d be sitting on both contracts.… and I’m not shitting on Bo ..  he is usually playing emotionless.. and seemingly I engaged physically.

He is not the best asset on the Canucks.… but he might be the best asset to move to strengthen the Team with something that addresses a weakness.

Mihky, Kuz, Garland,  even Hogz play may make Boeser more expendable..  but his game is still off, skating like he’s in mud,  I don’t think we’d get much back for him unless his game gets a lot better.

 

Miller is expendable at this point. 

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I think it's pretty clear at this point that management is evaluating Bo.  Is he gonna be worth what he's asking for?  My hunch is Bo is asking for $7M+ AAV, which the Canucks COULD afford, but do they want to.  Is he the guy they want carrying this team... it's pretty obvious management isn't sold on it yet, otherwise he'd be signed by now.

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13 hours ago, BC_Hawk said:

Old school, for show..or whatever. BB benched one of our better players and worsened our chance to win; pathetic! Why not Bench Beoser or make Miller miss some shifts instead. Bush league move by a bush league managed team. As Jannick said; they needed to the fix d, it’s tough…but they did nothing. 

But I think that was the premise,  spotlightlighting to those better , what will or may happen to them if they don’t contribute better.

He Sat Garland first, who didn’t really deserve it, and could probably have used a rest because of the way he plays (120%),.  because it was a back 2 back,   I think Garland would have risked injury.

Horvat possibly should have sat,  but look at how sitting Garland bumped his game up a bit.   Just my thoughts.

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3 hours ago, SilentSam said:

But I think that was the premise,  spotlightlighting to those better , what will or may happen to them if they don’t contribute better.

He Sat Garland first, who didn’t really deserve it, and could probably have used a rest because of the way he plays (120%),.  because it was a back 2 back,   I think Garland would have risked injury.

Horvat possibly should have sat,  but look at how sitting Garland bumped his game up a bit.   Just my thoughts.

And now BB is sitting Hogs, who has been playing at 110% and 200' all season; just no luck to bury his shots. Meanwhile The guy who should be spotlighted (Beoser), floats around offering nothing and stays in the lineup! These moves aren't proving nothing except that BB is a moron, who's ship sailed long ago. Ditto JR.....

 

So, if I'm another player on the team; these moves don't motivate me. They just prove that the fat man and front office are idoits. To be honest, if I'm Garland, I'm requesting a trade. And Kuz is taking notes on how the FO and staff treat hard workers. Absolute joke after PA dropped the ball completely this summer; at least JB tried...PA did nothing. 

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