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I’m concerned for horvats extension number because his goal scoring is almost purely on the PowerPlay.

 

5v5 production is not good enough for elite C money  and I don’t wanna here he doesn’t have good line mates ever.

 

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are his biggest contract premiums to take into considerations 

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

Why doesn’t our owner understand that the best way to win a Cup is by properly rebuilding?  We (mostly) accept that, so why doesn’t he?  Money? 

Exactly right … Money.   He sells out every game. Fans should stop going to games and then you’ll see proper change 

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22 hours ago, BPA said:

Bo + Rathbone

to CBJ for

Johnston + Jiricek

CBJ is tied with Vancouver in the standings.  Vancouver sells because their season is going off the rails - why would CBJ buy at that kind of cost when they aren't doing any much better.

 

CBJ is still in their rebuild.  Gaudreau was simply an opportunity - like Panarin was when NYR signed him early in their own rebuild. 

 

It's also unlikely that Horvat would extend with them - his agent and himself has repeated that he wants to be in the playoffs and CBJ has some ways to go.  Kekaleinen has also said this off-season that he's not trading key young assets for win now players.  Johnson / Jiricek / Ceulemans and whichever other promising prospect they have are seen as key parts of their future.

 

Rutherford has said a few times now that people don't understand how long rebuild takes.  Doubt he expects that kind of return for Horvat - ie the return is going to be more modest than a high 1st/blue chip prospects re why a rebuild can be quite long.

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On 10/27/2022 at 12:37 PM, DeNiro said:

Sad thing is they probably could have given the Sedins one more chance at a playoff run had they done a rebuild then.


Team could have been competitive by the 15-16 season if the rebuild was done proper.

3 first overalls?

 

14: Ekblad

15: McDavid

16: Matthews

 

2016 Canucks centers:

 

McDavid

Matthews

Henrik

Horvat

 

They needed to rebuild after losing to the Sharks in 2013 but I don't think 3 years would have been enough barring a miracle.

 

We failed to draft a 1st line player since drafting the Sedins in 1999. The talent gap was so massive that it would still have taken a while to rebuild.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, R3aL said:

I’m concerned for horvats extension number because his goal scoring is almost purely on the PowerPlay.

 

5v5 production is not good enough for elite C money  and I don’t wanna here he doesn’t have good line mates ever.

 

FACEOFF STUD

PP Bumper goal scoring Ace

 

are his biggest contract premiums to take into considerations 

He would be a 2C on our team behind Petey and should not be paid more than 7. Otherwise, we should trade him.

 

Just roll with Petey-Miller as the scoring line centers and sign a 3C for defensive duties like we signed Beagle. Might have to overpay for one though.

 

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13 hours ago, Kobayashi Maru said:

If they add then even better.  Essentially the focus here is on finding a C with upside that is in the same age group as Petey and Quinn.  Obviously he hasn't proven himself yet, but still has high upside.  Horvat's likely 7M vs Kotkaniemi's 4.6M also gives us some cap flexibility to secure the D.  If Kotkaniemi was playing lights out this wouldn't even be a possibility, however we need to take some risks for future potential and cost certainty. 

 

Any other deal around Horvat would likely center around a mid-late 1st and I would take the odds of Kotkaniemi figuring it out vs that pick.  Also gives us a player that is part of the core now vs completely future assets, where we run the risk of Petey and Hughes starting to want out.  Definitely a delicate balance.

 

Carolina's AGM Tulsky did a lot of work on ageing curves - many believe he is ear-marked to be their next GM.  His work concluded that Fs peak in their mid-20s then it's slow decline till 30 and fall off a cliff past 30.  Waddell says you don't want to give a 6-7 year deal to players in their late 20s or you will end up paying for something you aren't getting.

 

Horvat will be 28 at the end of this season.  He's probably hoping for an 8 year deal.  Just doesn't seem to fit Carolina's way of thinking when Kotkaniemi was targeted by them and is still only 22.  Pacioretty as a 1-year free asset is not the same as a 7-8 year deal and not knowing what the player will look like into his 30s.  There's a reason they passed on extending Trocheck, Niederreiter etc.

 

A lot of Horvat's production is also off the PP.  Carolina doesn't have the same PP setting as the Canucks.  Tulsky says his role is to make sure to bring in players who can be successful in their system - talks of how you can't just move one player from one team to another and just hope for the same results.   Don't know about Carolina but some teams also don't put as much weight on PP production vs 5v5.

 

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10 hours ago, Coconuts said:

I don't think so. I don't think Detroit is at the competitive stage yet, I don't think Bo would really match up with their timeline. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the want to start taking steps towards competing, maybe they'd think Bo could be good for their culture. But I question whether Bo would want to go there, or stay there. 

 

If I were him I'd be looking for a more competitive landing spot. 

 

It looks like that. The Bear gamble is okay, I don't like moving picks. We'll see how he turns out. 

 

Spending all our cap putting ourselves in a position where we had to give up a 2nd to move Dickinson is frustrating, they could have factored him into their plan more effectively before going and spending all their cap space. I'd have preferred to have factored keeping him on the roster into plan over the offseason and given him a second chance, would have been more palatable to me to have tried to trade or buy him out with a year remaining on his deal. I'm tired of seeing our management groups burn 2nd round picks. 

 

It's not all their mess but they don't appear to have been helping themselves. 

I could see Bo fitting their timeline if he signs long term. He’s just a year older than Larkin and Vrana. Also, Detroit signed Copp, Perron and Chariot in the summer. 
 

Im totally against trading Bo, would rather Miller, but if he’s unable to sign then something around Bo for Rasmussen and Lindstrom. 3c and rhd but Ras needs to get better at faceoffs. Management would rather retool and both of them are the same age range as Petey and Hughes. 

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