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9 hours ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said:

I may get flamed for this, but I would trade Bo for a package involving Marco Kasper as the main piece.

Is Detroit in the market for a rental?  Paying a prospect much like Bo was in his draft plus one aged year...

 

I like the target. Think its fair value.  Think Detroit is 2 or 3 years from this type of acquisition.

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6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Is Detroit in the market for a rental?  Paying a prospect much like Bo was in his draft plus one aged year...

 

I like the target. Think its fair value.  Think Detroit is 2 or 3 years from this type of acquisition.

I still think Horvat & Schenn for Carlo, 1st, & Lohrei (and perhaps a cap dump like Reilly) would be the kind of deal we should do. We fill a big gap in our lineup with a young, cost controlled roster player, a prospect who is two years away and a pick (4 years away).

 

Cap space, prospects, picks, and cost controlled roster layers are what management need to start building around the core 

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11 minutes ago, canucklehead44 said:

I still think Horvat & Schenn for Carlo, 1st, & Lohrei (and perhaps a cap dump like Reilly) would be the kind of deal we should do. We fill a big gap in our lineup with a young, cost controlled roster player, a prospect who is two years away and a pick (4 years away).

 

Cap space, prospects, picks, and cost controlled roster layers are what management need to start building around the core 

We traded Myrenberg and Allvin said it because he was five years away from the NHL.  Yes, if we trade Bo they key to the return needs to be futures.  But I don’t think that’s what our owner has directed Allvin to target.  So we would get Carlo + Debrusk.  

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On 12/23/2022 at 11:08 PM, shiznak said:

With how this team is playing. I wouldn’t be surprised if management keeps him for a playoff push, only to miss the playoffs by a hair, and then lose him for nothing.

 

I’m just preparing for the worst case scenario.

There have been so many ‘straws’ but that would be the final straw for me with Canuck management/ownership. #neednewowner

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Here's what chatgpt AI thinks

 

The Vancouver Canucks have a tough decision to make when it comes to their two centers, Bo Horvat and JT Miller. While both players have played important roles for the team in recent years, there are several reasons why keeping Horvat and trading Miller would be the better move for the Canucks.

 

First, let's look at the faceoff statistics. Horvat is one of the best faceoff specialists in the league, consistently finishing near the top of the league in faceoff percentage. This is an important skill for any center to have, as it allows them to start with the puck more often and give their team an advantage in possession. Miller, on the other hand, has struggled with faceoffs and has a lower career faceoff percentage.

 

In terms of leadership, Horvat has proven himself to be a reliable and respected leader on and off the ice. He was named the Canucks' captain in 2019 and has consistently demonstrated a strong work ethic and team-first mentality. Miller, while also a respected player, has not yet reached the same level of leadership as Horvat.

 

Finally, let's consider goal scoring. Horvat has been a consistent 20+ goal scorer for the Canucks in recent years, while Miller's goal scoring has been more inconsistent. While both players contribute to the offense, Horvat's reliable goal scoring makes him a more valuable asset for the team.

 

Overall, while both Horvat and Miller have valuable skills and have contributed to the Canucks' success, keeping Horvat and trading Miller would be the better decision for the team. Horvat's strong faceoff skills, leadership qualities, and reliable goal scoring make him a valuable asset, and trading Miller would allow the Canucks to address other areas of need.

 

Keep in mind the prompt was why keeping Horvat over Miller us better for Van

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9 minutes ago, stawns said:

Here's what chatgpt AI thinks

 

The Vancouver Canucks have a tough decision to make when it comes to their two centers, Bo Horvat and JT Miller. While both players have played important roles for the team in recent years, there are several reasons why keeping Horvat and trading Miller would be the better move for the Canucks.

 

First, let's look at the faceoff statistics. Horvat is one of the best faceoff specialists in the league, consistently finishing near the top of the league in faceoff percentage. This is an important skill for any center to have, as it allows them to start with the puck more often and give their team an advantage in possession. Miller, on the other hand, has struggled with faceoffs and has a lower career faceoff percentage.

 

In terms of leadership, Horvat has proven himself to be a reliable and respected leader on and off the ice. He was named the Canucks' captain in 2019 and has consistently demonstrated a strong work ethic and team-first mentality. Miller, while also a respected player, has not yet reached the same level of leadership as Horvat.

 

Finally, let's consider goal scoring. Horvat has been a consistent 20+ goal scorer for the Canucks in recent years, while Miller's goal scoring has been more inconsistent. While both players contribute to the offense, Horvat's reliable goal scoring makes him a more valuable asset for the team.

 

Overall, while both Horvat and Miller have valuable skills and have contributed to the Canucks' success, keeping Horvat and trading Miller would be the better decision for the team. Horvat's strong faceoff skills, leadership qualities, and reliable goal scoring make him a valuable asset, and trading Miller would allow the Canucks to address other areas of need.

 

Keep in mind the prompt was why keeping Horvat over Miller us better for Van

Plus JTM mostly plays the wing because he has been very poor at centre this year. 

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7 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

Plus JTM mostly plays the wing because he has been very poor at centre this year. 

I know, I've just been playing with chatgpt AI this morning.  It wrote that in about 10-15 seconds. 

 

The prompt was "write an 8 paragraph writing on why keeping bo horvat and trading JT miller is better for the Vancouver Canucks.  Use faceoff statistics, leadership qualities and scoring ability to make the argument".

 

As an educator, I'm not sure how I feel about this application, but man is it fun to play around with.  It wrote a great essay comparing the use of the heroes journey, according to joseph campbell, in the Harry Potter series and original Star Wars Trilogy.  Again, it took 15-20 seconds to write it.

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16 minutes ago, stawns said:

I know, I've just been playing with chatgpt AI this morning.  It wrote that in about 10-15 seconds. 

 

The prompt was "write an 8 paragraph writing on why keeping bo horvat and trading JT miller is better for the Vancouver Canucks.  Use faceoff statistics, leadership qualities and scoring ability to make the argument".

 

As an educator, I'm not sure how I feel about this application, but man is it fun to play around with.  It wrote a great essay comparing the use of the heroes journey, according to joseph campbell, in the Harry Potter series and original Star Wars Trilogy.  Again, it took 15-20 seconds to write it.


Sounds interesting. Out of curiosity what happens if you reverse the prompt and use Miller over Horvat?

I hadn’t heard of it until your post and looked it up. Thanks!

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5 hours ago, canucklehead44 said:

I still think Horvat & Schenn for Carlo, 1st, & Lohrei (and perhaps a cap dump like Reilly) would be the kind of deal we should do. We fill a big gap in our lineup with a young, cost controlled roster player, a prospect who is two years away and a pick (4 years away).

 

Cap space, prospects, picks, and cost controlled roster layers are what management need to start building around the core 

This is spot on. We definitely have to start thinking about the layering of prospects after completely ignoring it for years. If you want to be competitive you need to do this or you're left with the Canucks.

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10 hours ago, 4petesake said:


Sounds interesting. Out of curiosity what happens if you reverse the prompt and use Miller over Horvat?

I hadn’t heard of it until your post and looked it up. Thanks!

I used the same prompt, just switched "keeping bo horvat" to "trading bo horvat" and "trading jt Miller" to "keeping jt miller"

 

This was the result.  I did notice that it said it only uses info from 2021 and prior.

 

 

One of the main reasons the Vancouver Canucks should consider keeping JT Miller and trading Bo Horvat is Miller's strong faceoff ability. Miller has consistently proven to be a reliable option in the faceoff circle, winning 53.3% of his faceoffs this season. In comparison, Horvat has won just 48.9% of his faceoffs.

 

In addition to his strong faceoff skills, Miller also brings a high level of scoring ability to the table. He has scored at least 22 goals in each of the past three seasons, and has a career shooting percentage of 11.6%. Horvat, on the other hand, has not scored more than 27 goals in a single season and has a career shooting percentage of just 10.2%.

 

Miller's leadership skills are also a valuable asset for the Canucks. He has been named an alternate captain for the team, and has consistently demonstrated his ability to inspire and motivate his teammates on and off the ice. Horvat, while also a strong leader in his own right, does not have the same level of experience and on-ice presence as Miller.

 

Another factor to consider is Miller's versatility. He is able to play both center and wing positions, and has been effective in both roles for the Canucks. This flexibility allows the team to have more options when it comes to line combinations and power play units. Horvat, on the other hand, is primarily a center and does not offer the same level of versatility.

 

In terms of contract status, Miller is signed through the 2024-2025 season with a cap hit of $5.25 million. This is a reasonable price for a player of his caliber and allows the Canucks some long-term stability at the forward position. Horvat, on the other hand, is set to become a free agent after the 2022-2023 season and will likely command a significant raise on his current $5.5 million cap hit.

 

Miller's age is also a factor to consider. At 28 years old, he is in the prime of his career and should have several productive seasons left. Horvat, who is 25 years old, still has room to grow and develop, but may not reach the same level of production as Miller in the short term.

 

Another advantage of keeping Miller is his playoff experience. He has appeared in 60 playoff games throughout his career and has scored 22 points in those games. Horvat has only appeared in 15 playoff games and has scored just six points. Miller's playoff experience could prove valuable as the Canucks look to make a deep run in the postseason.

 

In conclusion, the Vancouver Canucks would be better off keeping JT Miller and trading Bo Horvat for a variety of reasons. Miller's strong faceoff ability, scoring ability, leadership skills, versatility, and playoff experience make him a valuable asset for the team. While Horvat is also a talented player, he does not offer the same level of production and experience as Miller.

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50 minutes ago, stawns said:

I used the same prompt, just switched "keeping bo horvat" to "trading bo horvat" and "trading jt Miller" to "keeping jt miller"

 

This was the result.  I did notice that it said it only uses info from 2021 and prior.

 

 

One of the main reasons the Vancouver Canucks should consider keeping JT Miller and trading Bo Horvat is Miller's strong faceoff ability. Miller has consistently proven to be a reliable option in the faceoff circle, winning 53.3% of his faceoffs this season. In comparison, Horvat has won just 48.9% of his faceoffs.

 

In addition to his strong faceoff skills, Miller also brings a high level of scoring ability to the table. He has scored at least 22 goals in each of the past three seasons, and has a career shooting percentage of 11.6%. Horvat, on the other hand, has not scored more than 27 goals in a single season and has a career shooting percentage of just 10.2%.

 

Miller's leadership skills are also a valuable asset for the Canucks. He has been named an alternate captain for the team, and has consistently demonstrated his ability to inspire and motivate his teammates on and off the ice. Horvat, while also a strong leader in his own right, does not have the same level of experience and on-ice presence as Miller.

 

Another factor to consider is Miller's versatility. He is able to play both center and wing positions, and has been effective in both roles for the Canucks. This flexibility allows the team to have more options when it comes to line combinations and power play units. Horvat, on the other hand, is primarily a center and does not offer the same level of versatility.

 

In terms of contract status, Miller is signed through the 2024-2025 season with a cap hit of $5.25 million. This is a reasonable price for a player of his caliber and allows the Canucks some long-term stability at the forward position. Horvat, on the other hand, is set to become a free agent after the 2022-2023 season and will likely command a significant raise on his current $5.5 million cap hit.

 

Miller's age is also a factor to consider. At 28 years old, he is in the prime of his career and should have several productive seasons left. Horvat, who is 25 years old, still has room to grow and develop, but may not reach the same level of production as Miller in the short term.

 

Another advantage of keeping Miller is his playoff experience. He has appeared in 60 playoff games throughout his career and has scored 22 points in those games. Horvat has only appeared in 15 playoff games and has scored just six points. Miller's playoff experience could prove valuable as the Canucks look to make a deep run in the postseason.

 

In conclusion, the Vancouver Canucks would be better off keeping JT Miller and trading Bo Horvat for a variety of reasons. Miller's strong faceoff ability, scoring ability, leadership skills, versatility, and playoff experience make him a valuable asset for the team. While Horvat is also a talented player, he does not offer the same level of production and experience as Miller.

While I disagree with some of the statements above, I am not opposed to trading Horvat. If he doesn't want to sign for something fair and reasonable, now is the time to trade him. He's having a record breaking year, and is at the height of his value right now. Let's not wait until he gets injured or starts going flat offensively. I'd still prefer to see him sign at a reasonable hit, but if that's not going to happen, we need to trade him ASAP. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Slegr said:

While I disagree with some of the statements above, I am not opposed to trading Horvat. If he doesn't want to sign for something fair and reasonable, now is the time to trade him. He's having a record breaking year, and is at the height of his value right now. Let's not wait until he gets injured or starts going flat offensively. I'd still prefer to see him sign at a reasonable hit, but if that's not going to happen, we need to trade him ASAP. 

 

 

just to be clear, that was an example of the chatgpt AI system writing an essay on why keeping miller is better.  I did one for horvat too

 

I, personally, would do anything I could, short of moving Petey, to keep horvat

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What would be the Canucks move if Horvat gets injured?

 

Very Limited!

 

Lose him for nothing or sign him and move Garland, Boeser or Miller for little to no return.

 

 I personally don’t see this regime losing him for nothing.  I see one or more of those other 3 players moved for a very underwhelming return.  Cap management…. Some teams have it and some teams don’t.
 

 

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Long story short both Miller and Horvat contracts are going to end up being bad in the end. Just be happy that they both have tradable contracts and both were coming off career seasons. Do the right thing and get assets for Horvat while you can and use the move as a retool towards the Defence. Once Myers and Boeser get moved make sure you don’t take back money on a expiring contract so you should roughly have $20 million to invest in Kuzmenko and the defence. 
 

We need to draft a Center or Dman the next few drafts.  

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On 12/25/2022 at 9:18 PM, steviewonder20 said:

I don’t have a problem with Kasper but if we are losing Bo, I want a really good rhd back to play with Hughes.

Probably going to be really difficult to get back a really good RHD. Why drafting and developing an RHD is important, maybe we finally decide to go after one this draft.

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