Elias Pettersson Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, BPA said: I just heard the clip. Frank was mentioning “total dollars”. That could be $7M+ x 8yrs. No way is Bo going to accept being paid less per year than Miller. So why not offer $8M x 7yrs?? It’s the same “total dollars”. Why would BO sign for less than 8 years as a Canuck? That’s the only advantage we have right now is the 8th year. Any team can sign him for 8x7 in the summer. And he probably gets more than that anyways if he waits so no point in taking the Miller contract right now when it’s pretty much guaranteed to him in the summer and he can choose where he goes. If the Canucks want to re-sign him now it would take an 8x8 contract, or $64 million in total dollars. JR won’t give him that deal. Edited December 28, 2022 by Elias Pettersson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, wai_lai416 said: the only contract that'll work is probably 8x8 not 7x8.. him being 2 years younger than miller.. if miller can make 8mil at 37 old.. i'd think bo wants to be paid 8mil at 36 years old. I meant the lowest cap hit I could see possibly being an option is the 7 x 8 matching total money deal and if he and his wife truly don’t want to move. im sure he wants more than 8 at this point though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, R3aL said: I meant the lowest cap hit I could see possibly being an option is the 7 x 8 matching total money deal and if he and his wife truly don’t want to move. im sure he wants more than 8 at this point though Probably between 8-8.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 10 hours ago, Alflives said: That’s not saying he won’t negotiate though. He just doesn’t want to talk about it. He will sign before the TDL. 56 mil. That’s the number. He has to be signed by the TDL or the Canucks have to move him. There can be no waiting until free agency deadline. I don't want to see Bo gone, rather it Miller, Boeser, Garland and Meyers. Any combo. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Boudrias said: He has to be signed by the TDL or the Canucks have to move him. There can be no waiting until free agency deadline. I don't want to see Bo gone, rather it Miller, Boeser, Garland and Meyers. Any combo. We will sign Bo before the TDL. Like our owner did with Miller last TDL he will not allow a trade. Then the cap crap will be figured out in the summer. Edited December 28, 2022 by Alflives 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Some team should just sell the farm and go for it. Horvat 50% Retained and JC from the yotes lol. More Bo goals = moaaaar assetsssss 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 42 minutes ago, Boudrias said: He has to be signed by the TDL or the Canucks have to move him. There can be no waiting until free agency deadline. I don't want to see Bo gone, rather it Miller, Boeser, Garland and Meyers. Any combo. Not much can rustle my jimmies... Expect for when people spell Myers the way you did 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 This team has too many forwards in the mix, that all play a top 9 game, get the same amount of points. Garland, Boeser, and Pearson. If it really came down to it, they could possibly move Miller, however I don't see management doing that, those 99 points last season got them excited. The team has stand ins ready to step up, IM, AK, Podz, and Hogs. With many more on the farm and in the mix internally. Moving those three would help get Bo signed, and possibly get another D that can play now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 7 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Why would BO sign for less than 8 years as a Canuck? That’s the only advantage we have right now is the 8th year. Any team can sign him for 8x7 in the summer. And he probably gets more than that anyways if he waits so no point in taking the Miller contract right now when it’s pretty much guaranteed to him in the summer and he can choose where he goes. If the Canucks want to re-sign him now it would take an 8x8 contract, or $64 million in total dollars. JR won’t give him that deal. That is the same train of thought that most of us in this forum had in re-signing Miller. But it turned out that he signed for less than expected and only for 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuckfanforlife82 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Alflives said: We will sign Bo before the TDL. Like our owner did with Miller last TDL he will not allow a trade. Then the cap crap will be figured out in the summer. I love how many on here want to keep the forwards the same despite our mediocre record. The standards are so low that people just care about individual stats. It's clear this group isn't right and needs change. Roller coaster seasons get you know where and you can't sign everyone to long term contracts and expect different results. You say figure out the cap in the off-season, well they tried that last summer and it got them nowhere. It would be a big mistake keeping Bo and doubling down on a group that has proven nothing beyond improving their individual statistics on their free agent availability year. There is a reason for strong play on those years folks. The acceptance of a mediocre team is quite disturbing by some on here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Pa: “franchise(FA) not interested in a rebuild” So Francesco not interested in a rebuild = trade top goal scoring forward, one of only two top Centers on the team , second in points best faceoff % at the beginning of his prime. yup sound like Francesco plan. win now by getting shittier. so much for strong down the middle as the winning formula We have no one that can do what horvat does. Not surprising since he’s been playing with good players he’s put up points started last season and it’s carried over. pretty obvious (still) miller is and was the guy that needs to go. scoring wingers are easier to find than one of the leagues top centers. Out - miller garland boeser Myers huh sounds familiar to last season. sign kuz horvat play podz hogz ped all that said I think horvat after being totally disrespected this summer most likely won’t stay here. I can see him signing with a team of his choice that he feels has a real chance to win for 7.5-8.5.which would basically be spit in aquallinis face. I don’t think the money is as important as respect and a ownership that wants to win more than a wildcard spot to horvat. the problem with high character people is they have self respect that doesn’t come with a price tag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: I love how many on here want to keep the forwards the same despite our mediocre record. The standards are so low that people just care about individual stats. It's clear this group isn't right and needs change. Roller coaster seasons get you know where and you can't sign everyone to long term contracts and expect different results. You say figure out the cap in the off-season, well they tried that last summer and it got them nowhere. It would be a big mistake keeping Bo and doubling down on a group that has proven nothing beyond improving their individual statistics on their free agent availability year. There is a reason for strong play on those years folks. The acceptance of a mediocre team is quite disturbing by some on here. IMHAO you’re totally and 100% wrong in your evaluation of our core five. Demko, Petey, Hughes, Miller, Bo are definitely good enough to win. We need a better supporting cast and new management has been improving those support players over their year. Mik, Kuz Missile, Bear, Dermott, Joshua, Lazar are all upgrades in from what Benning was able to do. And they are, collectively, way cheaper too. We are still saddled with OEL, Myers, Pearson, Garland. Again, overpaid Benning support craperolla. More change to the supporting cast is coming. When that group is improved, we will have our Cup parade down Georgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, combover said: Pa: “franchise(FA) not interested in a rebuild” So Francesco not interested in a rebuild = trade top goal scoring forward, one of only two top Centers on the team , second in points best faceoff % at the beginning of his prime. yup sound like Francesco plan. win now by getting shittier. so much for strong down the middle as the winning formula We have no one that can do what horvat does. Not surprising since he’s been playing with good players he’s put up points started last season and it’s carried over. pretty obvious (still) miller is and was the guy that needs to go. scoring wingers are easier to find than one of the leagues top centers. Out - miller garland boeser Myers huh sounds familiar to last season. sign kuz horvat play podz hogz ped all that said I think horvat after being totally disrespected this summer most likely won’t stay here. I can see him signing with a team of his choice that he feels has a real chance to win for 7.5-8.5.which would basically be spit in aquallinis face. I don’t think the money is as important as respect and a ownership that wants to win more than a wildcard spot to horvat. the problem with high character people is they have self respect that doesn’t come with a price tag. Wrong. Bo will re-sign with us before the TDL because our owner wants it. Zero chance Bo is thinking as you suggest. Bo is a class act, high character teammate and family man. He will stay. 7 mil x 8 years. Guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rackdawg Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Canuckfanforlife82 said: I love how many on here want to keep the forwards the same despite our mediocre record. The standards are so low that people just care about individual stats. It's clear this group isn't right and needs change. Roller coaster seasons get you know where and you can't sign everyone to long term contracts and expect different results. You say figure out the cap in the off-season, well they tried that last summer and it got them nowhere. It would be a big mistake keeping Bo and doubling down on a group that has proven nothing beyond improving their individual statistics on their free agent availability year. There is a reason for strong play on those years folks. The acceptance of a mediocre team is quite disturbing by some on here. A lot of people here can't figure that out...well put ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks-12 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Alflives said: Wrong. Bo will re-sign with us before the TDL because our owner wants it. Zero chance Bo is thinking as you suggest. Bo is a class act, high character teammate and family man. He will stay. 7 mil x 8 years. Guaranteed. Wishful thinking. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beefcake Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Bo's stocks keep rising, sell high !! 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 50 minutes ago, Beefcake said: Bo's stocks keep rising, sell high !! Would be nice to finally cash in big on a player. Really not the Canucks way though so I’ll believe it when I see it. Seems more like we’ll keep him and try to sneak in the playoffs and either pay him or lose him for nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fanuck Posted December 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2022 4 hours ago, Alflives said: We will sign Bo before the TDL. Like our owner did with Miller last TDL he will not allow a trade. Then the cap crap will be figured out in the summer. I asked you this before Alf, but let's say Bo is re-signed (which I'm not opposed to btw) to considerable term, how exactly does that make us a 'better' team, cuz we ain't exactly a force to be reckoned with now and he's arguably having a career year just like JT last season. Again, our single biggest team issue is the porous defense and signing Bo doesn't address this. Before people chime in that defense can be fixed in the off-season with other moves, management admitted they already tried this and were unable to do so, why would this summer be any different? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkSave Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 As time marches on I am more and more impressed with Bo Horvat and his production. He is under intense media scrutiny with it being his UFA year and is absolutely crushing it. Figured he would hit a dip by now or slow down to his past rate but he has been on FIRE. Long term I doubt it is sustainable but part of me is happy that is he shoving it down the throats of this MGMT group, making them realize they only have 2 options. Pay up or move him out. Unless we can somehow magically move out other players and their caps by including significant sweetners, we cannot afford Bo, plus Kuz and Petey. Ergo, MGMT is going to have to move him. Just hope they get a premium return, especially if we are willing to retain salary on him, like 50%. Teams such as the ones below would be chomping at the bit to snag Bo for a long playoff run. -Boston -Carolina -Washington (especially if Backstrom is out) -Toronto (desperate to get out of the 1st rnd) -Colorado (lacking C depth since Kadri's departure) -Pittsburgh (trying to squeeze out another Cup with their ageing core) -NYI (Bo could be the piece that helps them finally get to the Finals) -Minnesota (if they want to get out of the West they NEED a legit top 6 C) I think there could be a bidding war for Bo, even if it's solely a rental situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Elias Pettersson Posted December 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Fanuck said: I asked you this before Alf, but let's say Bo is re-signed (which I'm not opposed to btw) to considerable term, how exactly does that make us a 'better' team, cuz we ain't exactly a force to be reckoned with now and he's arguably having a career year just like JT last season. Again, our single biggest team issue is the porous defense and signing Bo doesn't address this. Before people chime in that defense can be fixed in the off-season with other moves, management admitted they already tried this and were unable to do so, why would this summer be any different? This is a good point. BO is having a career year that probably won't be duplicated similar to Miller last year. And last year we didn't even make the playoffs with Miller's career year and this year we are in a similar boat with Horvat, not even in a playoff spot. So, if we can't even make the playoffs with our guys having career years, what is the point of signing all these guys to retirement contracts? 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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