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We can definitely sign Bo if we move out contracts like Boes, Garland, Pearson etc but then we end up with the same team as today with a few less decent pieces. 
 

Not sure how we get any better by doing that since we aren’t very good right now and we don’t have any major difference makers in the pipeline.  
 

Bo over Miller was the obvious choice but given their contract status today Bo is the only one that brings back several pieces for the future.  Likely our only path to actually get better.

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14 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said:

We can definitely sign Bo if we move out contracts like Boes, Garland, Pearson etc but then we end up with the same team as today with a few less decent pieces. 
 

Not sure how we get any better by doing that since we aren’t very good right now and we don’t have any major difference makers in the pipeline.  
 

Bo over Miller was the obvious choice but given their contract status today Bo is the only one that brings back several pieces for the future.  Likely our only path to actually get better.

Yeah it's pointless to trump out the same team next year but it's quite possible that's what these numbskulls are doing. Basically the team is on ice until 2 years from now when cap comes off the books and these clowns can make the moves they want.

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39 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said:

We can definitely sign Bo if we move out contracts like Boes, Garland, Pearson etc but then we end up with the same team as today with a few less decent pieces. 
 

Not sure how we get any better by doing that since we aren’t very good right now and we don’t have any major difference makers in the pipeline.  
 

Bo over Miller was the obvious choice but given their contract status today Bo is the only one that brings back several pieces for the future.  Likely our only path to actually get better.

Moving those guys out will have other players coming back, potentially sooner expiring cap that opens up, etc. So no, it wouldn't be the same.

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Carolina needs a 2C. That's Bo, not Miller. We also don't really need Kotkaniemi. Prefer something around Drury, Morrow etc

 

Miller would be a better fit in places like Calgary, Islanders etc.

Carolina has a lot of offer - much like the rangers last year so I won’t get too excited - but I wonder if our management will go full young / future oriented.  
 

I could really see Kotkaniemi coming back at the very least as a 3C almost moreso if we move out Bo. 

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18 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

Carolina has a lot of offer - much like the rangers last year so I won’t get too excited - but I wonder if our management will go full young / future oriented.  
 

I could really see Kotkaniemi coming back at the very least as a 3C almost moreso if we move out Bo. 

Drury has played 21 games this season, not really a total "future". He also has a high compete level and solid 2 way play. Potential future 3C.

 

JK is currently playing 4C on their team FWIW and has a lot of term and dollars attached to him. With that contract, he has at best, neutral value (and more likely somewhat negative). They'd need to be adding a bunch more if we're taking that contract back. Far prefer to take back Gardiner's expiring LTIR to make the cap work.

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31 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

Carolina has a lot of offer -  but I wonder if our management will go full young / future oriented.  

Why  not double down and go for both?

 

Jarvis could play right now and make either BB/Garland expendable plus allow us to re-up Kuz.

Morrow would contribute next year or the year after at RHD which we desperately need.

 

Win/win.

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25 minutes ago, J-23 said:

I’d like to see Bo, Miller and Boeser traded this month.

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Miller and Boeser to be moved. They’re literally 2 of the 3 big signings the new braintrust have made.  To turn around and admit they were mistakes and move them less than 4 months into the season makes them look inept and incompetent.  

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45 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Why  not double down and go for both?

 

Jarvis could play right now and make either BB/Garland expendable plus allow us to re-up Kuz.

Morrow would contribute next year or the year after at RHD which we desperately need.

 

Win/win.

There's next to zero chance they give up Jarvis IMO. But you have the right idea.

 

5 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Miller and Boeser to be moved. They’re literally 2 of the 3 big signings the new braintrust have made.  To turn around and admit they were mistakes and move them less than 4 months into the season makes them look inept and incompetent.  

So does keeping them :lol: Honestly, at least 2 of Miller, Garland and Boeser should be moved.

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This section of CDC makes me sad :(

 

Are we still talking about trading Miller. As much as it pains me, it feels that ship has sailed. We're stuck with him. We gotta own up to our mistake and move forward. Should have traded him last January like some of us said. It's too late now, and we're gonna have to trade the far more important player instead. 

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40 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

This section of CDC makes me sad :(

 

Are we still talking about trading Miller. As much as it pains me, it feels that ship has sailed. We're stuck with him. We gotta own up to our mistake and move forward. Should have traded him last January like some of us said. It's too late now, and we're gonna have to trade the far more important player instead. 

This.  Miller as a rental had the peak value (although if the reports are to believed the offers were underwhelming). Now with his retirement contract in hand he’s practically unmovable 

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30 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Drury has played 21 games this season, not really a total "future". He also has a high compete level and solid 2 way play. Potential future 3C.

 

JK is currently playing 4C on their team FWIW and has a lot of term and dollars attached to him. With that contract, he has at best, neutral value (and more likely somewhat negative). They'd need to be adding a bunch more if we're taking that contract back. Far prefer to take back Gardiner's expiring LTIR to make the cap work.

 

11 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Why  not double down and go for both?

 

Jarvis could play right now and make either BB/Garland expendable plus allow us to re-up Kuz.

Morrow would contribute next year or the year after at RHD which we desperately need.

 

Win/win.


I guess it doesn’t have to be in the Horvat deal, but it’ll be hard otherwise to find a guy who has played C at the nhl level behind a handful of games… unless we’re getting a RD.  I’d wager the Horvat return has an ask if a guy with a floor of middle 6 C or 2nd pair RD. 
 

Jarvis is listed at C but has taken less draws than Drury, who has 22 games and averaged less than 10 minutes a night.  
 

I would be very happy with something like Kotkaniemi-Morrow-2nd as a floor for Horvat, who I’d still value as a durable, 60-ish point 2C who brings goals and face offs.  

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57 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

To turn around and admit they were mistakes and move them less than 4 months into the season makes them look inept and incompetent.  

Unfortunately, there is already a history of poor decisions with this management group that don't do much to instill unbridled confidence:

 

-said the team needs more structure and discipline and they'd be fine  -  absolutely nothing changed.

 

-said this team lacks picks/prospects in the organization then traded a 2nd for a fringe NHL'er.

 

-said they didn't have enough high end young defenceman in the organization and then drafted another winger

 

-said they wanted to get cap flexibility - then they gave JTM an untradeable career-defining contract.

 

-said they needed to address the defence last offseason and came back with the exact same group expecting different results 

 

-acknowledged they needed to improve the PK yet we sit dead last in the league in this area 

 

-publicly went on record saying if things didn't turn around 'hard decisions' would need to be made - then they sent a couple peripheral guys to the AHL.

 

-backed themselves into a corner with their Captain who's having a career season and is unlikely to be re-signed leaving a potential gaping hole in the lineup 

 

Sadly, I think the track record of looking at least somewhat inept is already in place. 

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I wonder if Buffalo would be interested. They are a team on the rise that would probably benefit from some more solid vet presence. Thompson and Cozens are their #1 and #2 centers, but they don't have a single center on their team over 50% in faceoffs. Thompson in particular has struggled with faceoffs and may benefit from playing with someone like Bo.

 

If Buffalo is interested, I'd love to see a deal centered around Jokiharju and a 1st. With Dahlin, Power, and Samuelsson as their top 3 Jokiharju is a luxury they don't need. 

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2 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

 


I guess it doesn’t have to be in the Horvat deal, but it’ll be hard otherwise to find a guy who has played C at the nhl level behind a handful of games… unless we’re getting a RD.  I’d wager the Horvat return has an ask if a guy with a floor of middle 6 C or 2nd pair RD. 
 

Jarvis is listed at C but has taken less draws than Drury, who has 22 games and averaged less than 10 minutes a night.  
 

I would be very happy with something like Kotkaniemi-Morrow-2nd as a floor for Horvat, who I’d still value as a durable, 60-ish point 2C who brings goals and face offs.  

Rather have Drury, Morrow and a 1st +/- with Gardiner's expiring LTIR taking up the cap issues than JK's contract. Drury has about the same ceiling, on a cheaper ELC/less contract baggage.

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52 minutes ago, Shayster007 said:

This section of CDC makes me sad :(

 

Are we still talking about trading Miller. As much as it pains me, it feels that ship has sailed. We're stuck with him. We gotta own up to our mistake and move forward. Should have traded him last January like some of us said. It's too late now, and we're gonna have to trade the far more important player instead. 

 

9 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

This.  Miller as a rental had the peak value (although if the reports are to believed the offers were underwhelming). Now with his retirement contract in hand he’s practically unmovable 

There’s probably a few “win now” teams who would be happy to add Miller - with some cost certainty / if we back money.  
 

The return won’t be swing-for-the-fences upside but maybe a hockey deal.

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