Kobayashi Maru Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) We can definitely sign Bo if we move out contracts like Boes, Garland, Pearson etc but then we end up with the same team as today with a few less decent pieces. Not sure how we get any better by doing that since we aren’t very good right now and we don’t have any major difference makers in the pipeline. Bo over Miller was the obvious choice but given their contract status today Bo is the only one that brings back several pieces for the future. Likely our only path to actually get better. Edited December 31, 2022 by Kobayashi Maru 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: We can definitely sign Bo if we move out contracts like Boes, Garland, Pearson etc but then we end up with the same team as today with a few less decent pieces. Not sure how we get any better by doing that since we aren’t very good right now and we don’t have any major difference makers in the pipeline. Bo over Miller was the obvious choice but given their contract status today Bo is the only one that brings back several pieces for the future. Likely our only path to actually get better. Yeah it's pointless to trump out the same team next year but it's quite possible that's what these numbskulls are doing. Basically the team is on ice until 2 years from now when cap comes off the books and these clowns can make the moves they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 39 minutes ago, Kobayashi Maru said: We can definitely sign Bo if we move out contracts like Boes, Garland, Pearson etc but then we end up with the same team as today with a few less decent pieces. Not sure how we get any better by doing that since we aren’t very good right now and we don’t have any major difference makers in the pipeline. Bo over Miller was the obvious choice but given their contract status today Bo is the only one that brings back several pieces for the future. Likely our only path to actually get better. Moving those guys out will have other players coming back, potentially sooner expiring cap that opens up, etc. So no, it wouldn't be the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 7 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: Miller locked up does not mean Horvat cannot be. While this is true, it would mean Kuz is probably gone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Carolina needs a 2C. That's Bo, not Miller. We also don't really need Kotkaniemi. Prefer something around Drury, Morrow etc Miller would be a better fit in places like Calgary, Islanders etc. Carolina has a lot of offer - much like the rangers last year so I won’t get too excited - but I wonder if our management will go full young / future oriented. I could really see Kotkaniemi coming back at the very least as a 3C almost moreso if we move out Bo. Edited December 31, 2022 by ilduce39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: Carolina has a lot of offer - much like the rangers last year so I won’t get too excited - but I wonder if our management will go full young / future oriented. I could really see Kotkaniemi coming back at the very least as a 3C almost moreso if we move out Bo. Drury has played 21 games this season, not really a total "future". He also has a high compete level and solid 2 way play. Potential future 3C. JK is currently playing 4C on their team FWIW and has a lot of term and dollars attached to him. With that contract, he has at best, neutral value (and more likely somewhat negative). They'd need to be adding a bunch more if we're taking that contract back. Far prefer to take back Gardiner's expiring LTIR to make the cap work. Edited December 31, 2022 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 19 hours ago, Kenny Powers said: Hope you’re right. They have the space and motivation to make the first trade after the break. Imagine if it’s Miller for Bailey, Raty and a 1st. Man that would be a nice Xmas present 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 31 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: Carolina has a lot of offer - but I wonder if our management will go full young / future oriented. Why not double down and go for both? Jarvis could play right now and make either BB/Garland expendable plus allow us to re-up Kuz. Morrow would contribute next year or the year after at RHD which we desperately need. Win/win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J-23 Posted December 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2022 16 hours ago, Provost said: These moves need to happen now. Looking at the next three weeks of our schedule, it is really tough and isn’t going to be a span where our players likely pile on production. This is the high water mark for value. I’d like to see Bo, Miller and Boeser traded this month. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted December 31, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, J-23 said: I’d like to see Bo, Miller and Boeser traded this month. Add in Garland as well. Then if any of the following can be sent for any sort of return: Pearson, Myers, Rathbone, or Stillman We will end up taking veterans expiring contracts back anyways so won’t even have to call up the kids and let them play on a loaded Abby team to experience some winning. 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 25 minutes ago, J-23 said: I’d like to see Bo, Miller and Boeser traded this month. I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Miller and Boeser to be moved. They’re literally 2 of the 3 big signings the new braintrust have made. To turn around and admit they were mistakes and move them less than 4 months into the season makes them look inept and incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 45 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Why not double down and go for both? Jarvis could play right now and make either BB/Garland expendable plus allow us to re-up Kuz. Morrow would contribute next year or the year after at RHD which we desperately need. Win/win. There's next to zero chance they give up Jarvis IMO. But you have the right idea. 5 minutes ago, qwijibo said: I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Miller and Boeser to be moved. They’re literally 2 of the 3 big signings the new braintrust have made. To turn around and admit they were mistakes and move them less than 4 months into the season makes them look inept and incompetent. So does keeping them Honestly, at least 2 of Miller, Garland and Boeser should be moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 This section of CDC makes me sad Are we still talking about trading Miller. As much as it pains me, it feels that ship has sailed. We're stuck with him. We gotta own up to our mistake and move forward. Should have traded him last January like some of us said. It's too late now, and we're gonna have to trade the far more important player instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 40 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: This section of CDC makes me sad Are we still talking about trading Miller. As much as it pains me, it feels that ship has sailed. We're stuck with him. We gotta own up to our mistake and move forward. Should have traded him last January like some of us said. It's too late now, and we're gonna have to trade the far more important player instead. This. Miller as a rental had the peak value (although if the reports are to believed the offers were underwhelming). Now with his retirement contract in hand he’s practically unmovable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 From kindergarten right up to today, JTM's trajectory has been uneven - but we GOTTA believe, eh?! Folks are too pessimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 30 minutes ago, aGENT said: Drury has played 21 games this season, not really a total "future". He also has a high compete level and solid 2 way play. Potential future 3C. JK is currently playing 4C on their team FWIW and has a lot of term and dollars attached to him. With that contract, he has at best, neutral value (and more likely somewhat negative). They'd need to be adding a bunch more if we're taking that contract back. Far prefer to take back Gardiner's expiring LTIR to make the cap work. 11 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Why not double down and go for both? Jarvis could play right now and make either BB/Garland expendable plus allow us to re-up Kuz. Morrow would contribute next year or the year after at RHD which we desperately need. Win/win. I guess it doesn’t have to be in the Horvat deal, but it’ll be hard otherwise to find a guy who has played C at the nhl level behind a handful of games… unless we’re getting a RD. I’d wager the Horvat return has an ask if a guy with a floor of middle 6 C or 2nd pair RD. Jarvis is listed at C but has taken less draws than Drury, who has 22 games and averaged less than 10 minutes a night. I would be very happy with something like Kotkaniemi-Morrow-2nd as a floor for Horvat, who I’d still value as a durable, 60-ish point 2C who brings goals and face offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 57 minutes ago, qwijibo said: To turn around and admit they were mistakes and move them less than 4 months into the season makes them look inept and incompetent. Unfortunately, there is already a history of poor decisions with this management group that don't do much to instill unbridled confidence: -said the team needs more structure and discipline and they'd be fine - absolutely nothing changed. -said this team lacks picks/prospects in the organization then traded a 2nd for a fringe NHL'er. -said they didn't have enough high end young defenceman in the organization and then drafted another winger -said they wanted to get cap flexibility - then they gave JTM an untradeable career-defining contract. -said they needed to address the defence last offseason and came back with the exact same group expecting different results -acknowledged they needed to improve the PK yet we sit dead last in the league in this area -publicly went on record saying if things didn't turn around 'hard decisions' would need to be made - then they sent a couple peripheral guys to the AHL. -backed themselves into a corner with their Captain who's having a career season and is unlikely to be re-signed leaving a potential gaping hole in the lineup Sadly, I think the track record of looking at least somewhat inept is already in place. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 I wonder if Buffalo would be interested. They are a team on the rise that would probably benefit from some more solid vet presence. Thompson and Cozens are their #1 and #2 centers, but they don't have a single center on their team over 50% in faceoffs. Thompson in particular has struggled with faceoffs and may benefit from playing with someone like Bo. If Buffalo is interested, I'd love to see a deal centered around Jokiharju and a 1st. With Dahlin, Power, and Samuelsson as their top 3 Jokiharju is a luxury they don't need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: I guess it doesn’t have to be in the Horvat deal, but it’ll be hard otherwise to find a guy who has played C at the nhl level behind a handful of games… unless we’re getting a RD. I’d wager the Horvat return has an ask if a guy with a floor of middle 6 C or 2nd pair RD. Jarvis is listed at C but has taken less draws than Drury, who has 22 games and averaged less than 10 minutes a night. I would be very happy with something like Kotkaniemi-Morrow-2nd as a floor for Horvat, who I’d still value as a durable, 60-ish point 2C who brings goals and face offs. Rather have Drury, Morrow and a 1st +/- with Gardiner's expiring LTIR taking up the cap issues than JK's contract. Drury has about the same ceiling, on a cheaper ELC/less contract baggage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 52 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: This section of CDC makes me sad Are we still talking about trading Miller. As much as it pains me, it feels that ship has sailed. We're stuck with him. We gotta own up to our mistake and move forward. Should have traded him last January like some of us said. It's too late now, and we're gonna have to trade the far more important player instead. 9 minutes ago, qwijibo said: This. Miller as a rental had the peak value (although if the reports are to believed the offers were underwhelming). Now with his retirement contract in hand he’s practically unmovable There’s probably a few “win now” teams who would be happy to add Miller - with some cost certainty / if we back money. The return won’t be swing-for-the-fences upside but maybe a hockey deal. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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