MeanSeanBean Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 22 minutes ago, qwijibo said: This. Miller as a rental had the peak value (although if the reports are to believed the offers were underwhelming). Now with his retirement contract in hand he’s practically unmovable I was one of the few people who was down for the Rangers Lundkvist trade last year, so don't need to tell me twice... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, aGENT said: Rather have Drury, Morrow and a 1st +/- with Gardiner's expiring LTIR taking up the cap issues than JK's contract. Drury has about the same ceiling, on a cheaper ELC/less contract baggage. That would be awesome too - just trying to predict what our management / ownership would lean towards. We all know whatever dream package we conjure up will go to Chicago for Toews and we’ll end up re-signing Bo and package Boeser with a 2nd to clear cap. Edited December 31, 2022 by ilduce39 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, qwijibo said: I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Miller and Boeser to be moved. They’re literally 2 of the 3 big signings the new braintrust have made. To turn around and admit they were mistakes and move them less than 4 months into the season makes them look inept and incompetent. ‘To turn around and admit they were mistakes and move them less than 4 months into the season makes them look inept and incompetent.” And your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, qwijibo said: I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Miller and Boeser to be moved. They’re literally 2 of the 3 big signings the new braintrust have made. To turn around and admit they were mistakes and move them less than 4 months into the season makes them look inept and incompetent. I absolutely expect BB6 to be moved, that's why they're trying to get him going again, so they can move him. Miller isn't going anywhere, Bo may yet be re-signed, if not then it's all about the deal, Kuz will be re-signed. Hope Pearson is back soon, so they can play him and then move him, Garland could go either way. We could still have a good TDL but it will hopefully be about BB6, Pearson, maybe Garland and perhaps some other fringe pieces. That's the update from my crystal ball. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, aliboy said: I absolutely expect BB6 to be moved, that's why they're trying to get him going again, so they can move him. Miller isn't going anywhere, Bo may yet be re-signed, if not then it's all about the deal, Kuz will be re-signed. Hope Pearson is back soon, so they can play him and then move him, Garland could go either way. We could still have a good TDL but it will hopefully be about BB6, Pearson, maybe Garland and perhaps some other fringe pieces. That's the update from my crystal ball. I think I have the same brand of crystal ball 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, aliboy said: I absolutely expect BB6 to be moved, that's why they're trying to get him going again, so they can move him. Miller isn't going anywhere, Bo may yet be re-signed, if not then it's all about the deal, Kuz will be re-signed. Hope Pearson is back soon, so they can play him and then move him, Garland could go either way. We could still have a good TDL but it will hopefully be about BB6, Pearson, maybe Garland and perhaps some other fringe pieces. That's the update from my crystal ball. Fringe players with term aren’t exactly hot commodities at the trade deadline 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Provost said: Add in Garland as well. Then if any of the following can be sent for any sort of return: Pearson, Myers, Rathbone, or Stillman We will end up taking veterans expiring contracts back anyways so won’t even have to call up the kids and let them play on a loaded Abby team to experience some winning. Yep. I have our team split into categories/waves right now. Horvat, Miller, Boeser, Garland, Pearson, Myers Pettersson, Hughes, Podkolzin, Lekky I would like to move on from the first wave and start building around the second one. Nothing against those guys in the first wave but a good organization knows when to move on from players. Same way we should’ve moved on from the Sedins and Kes when Gillis suggested. 1 hour ago, qwijibo said: I don’t think it’s realistic to expect Miller and Boeser to be moved. They’re literally 2 of the 3 big signings the new braintrust have made. To turn around and admit they were mistakes and move them less than 4 months into the season makes them look inept and incompetent. I think Miller can still be moved before his NMC kicks in. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 minute ago, qwijibo said: Fringe players with term aren’t exactly hot commodities at the trade deadline They don't have to be hot commodities, maybe a team just wants to add a bit of depth here or there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 Just now, J-23 said: Yep. I have our team split into categories/waves right now. Horvat, Miller, Boeser, Garland, Pearson, Myers Pettersson, Hughes, Podkolzin, Lekky I would like to move on from the first wave and start building around the second one. Nothing against those guys in the first wave but a good organization knows when to move on from players. Same way we should’ve moved on from the Sedins and Kes when Gillis suggested. I think Miller can still be moved before his NMC kicks in. He theoretically CAN be moved. But you need to find a team that has cap space and doesn’t see his extension as a negative. Problem is. Teams with cap flexibility are generally young rebuilding teams with a core in their early 20’s. A soon to be 30 year old player on a retirement contract is going to have limited appeal. It’s a tough deal to make Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, qwijibo said: He theoretically CAN be moved. But you need to find a team that has cap space and doesn’t see his extension as a negative. Problem is. Teams with cap flexibility are generally young rebuilding teams with a core in their early 20’s. A soon to be 30 year old player on a retirement contract is going to have limited appeal. It’s a tough deal to make He can be moved and yes it is a very tough deal to make but this is what management is paid to do.. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 11 minutes ago, aliboy said: That's the update from my crystal ball. I'll go with your predictions because mine are telling me to expect exactly the same as last year - which was nada. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 minute ago, J-23 said: He can be moved and yes it is a very tough deal to make but this is what management is paid to do.. But that same management team are the ones responsible for signing that nearly impossible contract to move. And it makes them look like even bigger idiots taking a loss to move it 4 months after signing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 21 minutes ago, Fanuck said: I'll go with your predictions because mine are telling me to expect exactly the same as last year - which was nada. Either they re-sign Bo, or they will be able to move him, beyond that it's a crap shoot. Could end up being like the year JB sent out a list of names to all the teams and got zero interest, have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Lasso Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, J-23 said: He can be moved and yes it is a very tough deal to make but this is what management is paid to do.. Both New York teams had interest in Miller earlier this year. If the rangers add Kane, Lou might come back to the table for Miller. It sounds like PA broke a pre-existing deal by asking for an additional piece at the last minute at the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, qwijibo said: But that same management team are the ones responsible for signing that nearly impossible contract to move. And it makes them look like even bigger idiots taking a loss to move it 4 months after signing it Not entirely, plans can change at anytime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 1 hour ago, J-23 said: Yep. I have our team split into categories/waves right now. Horvat, Miller, Boeser, Garland, Pearson, Myers Pettersson, Hughes, Podkolzin, Lekky I would like to move on from the first wave and start building around the second one. Nothing against those guys in the first wave but a good organization knows when to move on from players. Same way we should’ve moved on from the Sedins and Kes when Gillis suggested. I think Miller can still be moved before his NMC kicks in. Thoughts on Hoglander? I think he's firmly in the second group. I low key think he's an incredibly important part about this core going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 7 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: Thoughts on Hoglander? I think he's firmly in the second group. I low key think he's an incredibly important part about this core going forward. If his hands can catch up to the rest of his play he’ll be a deadly weapon. The work ethic from both him and Åman has been great this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 15 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Not entirely, plans can change at anytime. True. If something catastrophic happens that completely alters your plan (like Montreal unexpectedly permanently losing Price and Weber in an offseason). But this team is by and large the same team it was when Miller was signed. Same goes for Boeser. Moving either guy at a loss is an admission to the owner that they never should have signed those contracts and they’re in over their heads. Not the message you want to convey to your owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) 5 minutes ago, qwijibo said: True. If something catastrophic happens that completely alters your plan (like Montreal unexpectedly permanently losing Price and Weber in an offseason). But this team is by and large the same team it was when Miller was signed. Same goes for Boeser. Moving either guy at a loss is an admission to the owner that they never should have signed those contracts and they’re in over their heads. Not the message you want to convey to your owner Who said move him at a loss? Edited January 1 by canuck73_3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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