Coconuts Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Buyouts don't make sense for a team that's probably not going to be a playoff team for at least a little while, just ride it out or retain and get assets. Particularly if Horvat is moved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodos Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, Coconuts said: Buyouts don't make sense for a team that's probably not going to be a playoff team for at least a little while, just ride it out or retain and get assets. Particularly if Horvat is moved. Aqua Weenie doesn’t see us as being a non-playoff team. Ever. That is the main problem with this organization and it’ll continue to be until he sells the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, kodos said: Aqua Weenie doesn’t see us as being a non-playoff team. Ever. That is the main problem with this organization and it’ll continue to be until he sells the team. Guess we'll see, I keep hearing that and there are plenty of folks who believe it, but we'll see. I don't think this management group wants to rebuild but the reality is that it may just be pressed upon them if the roster they've got doesn't perform. Which it largely hasn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophomore Jinx Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 41 minutes ago, Gurn said: What I mean is Mike Bossy was the greatest goal scorer in NHL history. I was fortunate enough to follow his whole career and watch him, while playing on one leg annihilate the Nux in '82, in spite of the "Tiger" and Ron Delorme et al trying to maim him at every opportunity. This guy could score with a curling broom, while sitting in the $hitter, and to think that he accomplished what he did on (at least) one bad knee, with a spine like a jellyfish, AND while being a HEAVY SMOKER from his junior days throughout his pro career, is nothing less than astounding. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, mll said: Dhaliwal says he's not hearing Miller on the block. He also insists that the Canucks have been trying to trade the players he lists for months and months. Says they'll have to be creative to move them. the time for being creative has passed and tbh what is creative about this... how to move a bad contract 101 1. Don't sign them... goops they signed boesser to a contract they didn't have to and then 8 months later cannot move the onctract they signed, they signed mIller to a massive c contract... guess what they didn't have to, they could have waited a year... 2. If you have a bad contract , you can move it by: A. retain salary B. sweeten with picks C. sweeten with prospects D. sweeten with young players E. A threeway trade to spread cap F. take a contract back Only really F and E retire any creativity and I doubt our group can figure his out. Edited January 5 by Canucks Curse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 11 minutes ago, kodos said: Aqua Weenie doesn’t see us as being a non-playoff team. Ever. That is the main problem with this organization and it’ll continue to be until he sells the team. Always shake my head when I hear people suggest an owner paying to the cap limit whom has provided local stability for this organization that frankly has been questionable since the Griffiths sold the team. Like yeah sure sell the team to ?......grass is not always greener and how taken for granted this ownership is is disappointing. The team very easily could have been sold AND MOVED. Owners all around the league have mandates, are a part of the process and have last say. This is not unique to Vancouver, this is not a negative meddling problem the Canucks are cursed with lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I really don't understand why Pearson is a "hard to move" contract. I love his game for 3mil. But as for the others. We'd be in a much better situation if management did 1 of 2 things. Not re-sign Boeser or not sign Mikheyev. It never seemed like they valued Boeser. He wasn't drafted by them. There was no real need to re-sign him. I think this was a greed situation where they hoped to re-sign him, then flip him for assets. But at 6.7mil. That's a lot of cap for teams that are looking at taking in less cap. Sometimes you just let people walk. And if you do re-sign Boeser, WHY GRAB ANOTHER 5 MILLION DOLLAR FORWARD? This isn't hindsight glasses, lots of us didn't like it when it was signed. Obviously I looked at it with hopeful glasses and he'd help improve our PK. Which hasn't really happened. It was bad at the time, and has gotten worse as time goes on. Not cause of his play. But cause of the misused cap. But I really think management would have been better off just not qualifying Boeser and moving on. Cap is more important than assets in some if not most cases. Even before the season started nobody was gonna take Boeser at nearly 7mil. This management team so far is worse than Benning. And it's not even close. I am not happy in the slightest. Fumbled the cap, seemingly fumbled the draft, fumbled the Stillman trade, fumbled the Marino trade by not even being in on it. What are they good at? Snoozing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, mll said: Dhaliwal says he's not hearing Miller on the block. He also insists that the Canucks have been trying to trade the players he lists for months and months. Says they'll have to be creative to move them. they have been trying to trade Boeser, Garland, Myers, Pearson for months and months with no success....? we know that we also know that doing the same thing over and over with the same result = insanity what does that say about our group, especially when they signed Boeser look at Carolina - Burns, Patches and a trade everyone forgets - Teroveinen from Chicago - all master cap management moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, N7Nucks said: I really don't understand why Pearson is a "hard to move" contract. I love his game for 3mil. But as for the others. We'd be in a much better situation if management did 1 of 2 things. Not re-sign Boeser or not sign Mikheyev. It never seemed like they valued Boeser. He wasn't drafted by them. There was no real need to re-sign him. I think this was a greed situation where they hoped to re-sign him, then flip him for assets. But at 6.7mil. That's a lot of cap for teams that are looking at taking in less cap. Sometimes you just let people walk. And if you do re-sign Boeser, WHY GRAB ANOTHER 5 MILLION DOLLAR FORWARD? This isn't hindsight glasses, lots of us didn't like it when it was signed. Obviously I looked at it with hopeful glasses and he'd help improve our PK. Which hasn't really happened. It was bad at the time, and has gotten worse as time goes on. Not cause of his play. But cause of the misused cap. But I really think management would have been better off just not qualifying Boeser and moving on. Cap is more important than assets in some if not most cases. Even before the season started nobody was gonna take Boeser at nearly 7mil. This management team so far is worse than Benning. And it's not even close. I am not happy in the slightest. Fumbled the cap, seemingly fumbled the draft, fumbled the Stillman trade, fumbled the Marino trade by not even being in on it. What are they good at? Snoozing? no one has cap space and its a multi year deal in a flat cap world 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Gurn said: What I mean is Mike Bossy was the greatest goal scorer in NHL history. I'd open my eyes and enjoy the last few seasons of Ovechkin, the actual greatest goal scorer in NHL history. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantastico Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 1/4/2023 at 5:12 AM, Elias Pettersson said: Bo Horvat is not Cam Neely. Not even close. So, you don't have to worry at all. Trading a 21 year old who went on to become a superstar and Hall of Famer is quite different than trading a 28 year old who is having a career year... Neely was a late bloomer. I wouldn’t count Bo out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: We did before we signed Mikayev who wasn’t nearly as big of a need. 2 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Rathbone + 2nd for Marino, simply don't sign Mikheyev (yet another winger). Problem solved. It was all there, management just decided to neglect defence again. What these guy's said: 2 hours ago, Kobayashi Maru said: Marino was definitely a miss even if they needed to add a bit more. Mikheyev is a player that should be part of our core because of his speed and defensive ability (Plus finalization of Kuz to sign as well potentially), but they should have had a plan to move out Garland or Boeser at the same time to neutralize cap. Too many offensive wingers that provide minimal offense. 2 hours ago, CanucksJay said: I like Mikheyev. We need more guys like him. I would have preferred they didn't sign Boeser or just give him a 1 year qo and obviously trade Miller. Before Miller signed his contract, I was a big proponent of wanting to move him. I then saw the figures and realized that's not an overpayment. That was a fair contract he signed. I feel like he can still be moveable for a team that needs offence. He's obviously not worth what he was at the tdl but I dont think we are by any means "stuck" with him. We could use two more "Mikheyev's" frankly. This lineup desperately needs more speed/size and two way ability in it's top 9. The failure there was not doing any, or a combination of: Move Miller, move/not extend Boeser, move Garland. Then we would have had room to add Marino last summer and the cap space to extend Horvat (who we likely could have had closer to $7 last summer as well). 39 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: I really don't understand why Pearson is a "hard to move" contract. I love his game for 3mil. But as for the others. We'd be in a much better situation if management did 1 of 2 things. Not re-sign Boeser or not sign Mikheyev. It never seemed like they valued Boeser. He wasn't drafted by them. There was no real need to re-sign him. I think this was a greed situation where they hoped to re-sign him, then flip him for assets. But at 6.7mil. That's a lot of cap for teams that are looking at taking in less cap. Sometimes you just let people walk. And if you do re-sign Boeser, WHY GRAB ANOTHER 5 MILLION DOLLAR FORWARD? This isn't hindsight glasses, lots of us didn't like it when it was signed. Obviously I looked at it with hopeful glasses and he'd help improve our PK. Which hasn't really happened. It was bad at the time, and has gotten worse as time goes on. Not cause of his play. But cause of the misused cap. But I really think management would have been better off just not qualifying Boeser and moving on. Cap is more important than assets in some if not most cases. Even before the season started nobody was gonna take Boeser at nearly 7mil. This management team so far is worse than Benning. And it's not even close. I am not happy in the slightest. Fumbled the cap, seemingly fumbled the draft, fumbled the Stillman trade, fumbled the Marino trade by not even being in on it. What are they good at? Snoozing? Pearson's only "hard to move" because of the league wide lack of cap space. He's a perfectly fine player at his cap hit. Just simply that nobody has room to add him. And he's not high enough oof a caliber player to "make room" for. He'll be far more moveable in his final (next) year, particularly at the TDL. Similar to Myers. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 hours ago, mll said: Dhaliwal says he's not hearing Miller on the block. He also insists that the Canucks have been trying to trade the players he lists for months and months. Says they'll have to be creative to move them. All of this just reads as "Canuck management is inept". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, mll said: Dhaliwal says he's not hearing Miller on the block. He also insists that the Canucks have been trying to trade the players he lists for months and months. Says they'll have to be creative to move them. This is the problem, they really need to move at least Brock and Pearson, if they can't it jams everything up. Edited January 5 by aliboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 https://www.canucksdaily.com/Friedman-and-Seravalli-comment-on-the-locker-room-atmosphere-and-nothing-positive-comes-from-there-195083 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, combover said: https://www.canucksdaily.com/Friedman-and-Seravalli-comment-on-the-locker-room-atmosphere-and-nothing-positive-comes-from-there-195083 Remember all those months back where Kypreos was saying this. The majority disputed it tooth and nail, while a few of us thought... Huh yeah that makes sense. Suprise surprise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 21 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: Remember all those months back where Kypreos was saying this. The majority disputed it tooth and nail, while a few of us thought... Huh yeah that makes sense. Suprise surprise. If I recall, Kyper spoke more on a country club culture. This reads as a negative atmosphere. I got laughed at when I said it's no coincidence that Boeser has sort of fallen off since Miller has gotten there. Miller seems like a guy that's hard to be around. I been saying this for 3 years. The team is constantly on edge cause the angry guy can go off at any moment or start openly pouting on the ice. But I kept getting told I was wrong and Miller is exactly the player we need. Now people are starting to catch up on my suspicions. And we are hearing more about how it's creating a terrible lockerroom from media types. I can't wait for people to say our team is just soft. Is Schenn soft? Cause he clearly has a problem with Miller too. JT Miller is what CDC thinks Torts is. Yet very few people hold Miller accountable. They just say "he is passionate about winning." As if that gives him clearance to be a douchebag. Ryan Miller was passionate about winning, but he cared about the team. He was ready to go to war for young Stecher. JT Miller doesn't seem like the type to put anyone above himself. Move him for a bucket of pucks and a couple autographed Bedard sticks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therodigy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 3 hours ago, mll said: Dhaliwal says he's not hearing Miller on the block. He also insists that the Canucks have been trying to trade the players he lists for months and months. Says they'll have to be creative to move them. Garland is the most obvious Buyout candidate. $4M savings in 23-24 and 24-25, $3M in savings in 25-26, and $2M cap hit for three seasons after that. Not a sexy buyout, but functional. Myers is better off to get traded during Free Agency after his signing bonus. For how much and to where are the real questions. Maybe back to Buffalo at 50% retained for a low pick or C-level prospect? The need for RHD around the league should theoretically make it possible for him to be moved. I think they need to eat the duration of Pearson's contract. Buyout savings is minimal and not worth the extra hit in 24-25. He had good chemistry with Miller last year, so maybe it remains to be seen if he can return to 40 point form. Boeser is a tough one. He's got no value as it stands. If Montreal were willing to trade Monahan, then maybe... too many variables to comment further. Edited January 5 by therodigy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Shayster007 said: Remember all those months back where Kypreos was saying this. The majority disputed it tooth and nail, while a few of us thought... Huh yeah that makes sense. Suprise surprise. This falls squarely on the vapid management. No blame can be levied at Benning for choosing to sign Miller over Horvat. If Miller stays and Horvat's traded, this will be a hit that the organization will bleed out from for a while. Better that Rutherford and Alvin accept that they chose poorly and look to offload Miller now so that they can re-sign their captain and ensure the locker room isn't totally fragmented. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: This falls squarely on the vapid management. No blame can be levied at Benning for choosing to sign Miller over Horvat. If Miller stays and Horvat's traded, this will be a hit that the organization will bleed out from for a while. Better that Rutherford and Alvin accept that they chose poorly and look to offload Miller now so that they can re-sign their captain and ensure the locker room isn't totally fragmented. Bang on, bang on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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