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3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

This falls squarely on the vapid management. No blame can be levied at Benning for choosing to sign Miller over Horvat. If Miller stays and Horvat's traded, this will be a hit that the organization will bleed out from for a while. Better that Rutherford and Alvin accept that they chose poorly and look to offload Miller now so that they can re-sign their captain and ensure the locker room isn't totally fragmented.

I agree it’s on this management for the resigning  but it just has that feel of meddling from our crappy  owners yet again.

this management said more than once horvat was the captain and important part of the future and a priority to resign. 
then millers resigns? 

they had obviously been in discussions with NYI 

and then deal falls apart  the “ask Vancouver what happened” 

 

pa on after hour 

“the  franchise has no interest in rebuilding “

 

I don’t see jr sticking around  and With that comment I don’t see pa sticking around either since it would seem he’s got a spine something Jb never once showed hence why Francesco loved him. 


 

 

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9 minutes ago, combover said:

I agree it’s on this management for the resigning  but it just has that feel of meddling from our crappy  owners yet again.

this management said more than once horvat was the captain and important part of the future and a priority to resign. 
then millers resigns? 

they had obviously been in discussions with NYI 

and then deal falls apart  the “ask Vancouver what happened” 

 

pa on after hour 

“the  franchise has no interest in rebuilding “

 

I don’t see jr sticking around  and With that comment I don’t see pa sticking around either since it would seem he’s got a spine something Jb never once showed hence why Francesco loved him. 


 

 

Exactly!  Our owner has set the same direction since he bought the club.  Managers have to work inside that direction.  Win now, which we haven’t been for a decade, at the cost of futures.  We do have a good core five though.  Contracts like OEL, Myers, Boeser, Garland kill the chances of building a supporting cast that’s good enough to compensate for the deficiency in our core and that’s the dilemma. 

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1 hour ago, N7Nucks said:

If I recall, Kyper spoke more on a country club culture. This reads as a negative atmosphere. I got laughed at when I said it's no coincidence that Boeser has sort of fallen off since Miller has gotten there. Miller seems like a guy that's hard to be around. I been saying this for 3 years. The team is constantly on edge cause the angry guy can go off at any moment or start openly pouting on the ice. But I kept getting told I was wrong and Miller is exactly the player we need. Now people are starting to catch up on my suspicions. And we are hearing more about how it's creating a terrible lockerroom from media types. I can't wait for people to say our team is just soft. Is Schenn soft? Cause he clearly has a problem with Miller too.

 

JT Miller is what CDC thinks Torts is. Yet very few people hold Miller accountable. They just say "he is passionate about winning." As if that gives him clearance to be a douchebag. Ryan Miller was passionate about winning, but he cared about the team. He was ready to go to war for young Stecher. JT Miller doesn't seem like the type to put anyone above himself. Move him for a bucket of pucks and a couple autographed Bedard sticks.

I'm not sure the difference really? Both are weak mentalities that lead to dreadful team play. Bottom line is, it was reported the room wasn't good. Tons of folks here lost their minds and denied it, and now we're seeing it in real time.

 

I'm not going to address Miller, but I entirely agree with your assessment.

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4 minutes ago, combover said:

I agree it’s on this management for the resigning  but it just has that feel of meddling from our crappy  owners yet again.

this management said more than once horvat was the captain and important part of the future and a priority to resign. 
then millers resigns? 

they had obviously been in discussions with NYI 

and then deal falls apart  the “ask Vancouver what happened” 

 

pa on after hour 

“the  franchise has no interest in rebuilding “

 

I don’t see jr sticking around  and With that comment I don’t see pa sticking around either since it would seem he’s got a spine something Jb never once showed hence why Francesco loved him. 


 

 

Will they resign though? Rutherford said that he wouldn't take the job if he didn't have full autonomy over making decisions for the team. Alvin seems like more of a puppet than an actual manager. The next two months will be revealing and could set out the next few years, good or bad. 

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1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Will they resign though? Rutherford said that he wouldn't take the job if he didn't have full autonomy over making decisions for the team. Alvin seems like more of a puppet than an actual manager. The next two months will be revealing and could set out the next few years, good or bad. 

JR is a good ol’ boy.  He’s going to always say publicly what supports his owner.  That’s one of the reasons why he keeps working in these high profile positions.  JR is working within the owner’s prescribed direction.  

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9 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

 

It definitely has the potential. Signing Miller has the potential to handicap our chances of competing with Petey. I'd also argue that OEL/Garland have a similar effect on the team. It's not to late for this franchise to right the ship, but Gord damn is it looking bleak right now.

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7 minutes ago, Alflives said:

JR is a good ol’ boy.  He’s going to always say publicly what supports his owner.  That’s one of the reasons why he keeps working in these high profile positions.  JR is working within the owner’s prescribed direction.  

So, they could have stayed with Benning and pretty much achieved the same thing. Good to know. Maybe Frankie can get off his fat, kid-hating ass and be the GM so there's no longer any doubt in any fans mind.

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3 hours ago, Kenny Powers said:

@coryberg More examples of a team stating they are done with a player and waiting on a trade. As before, reported by insiders vs a press release. We’re you arguing that they don’t say it directly/explicitly? Still can’t figure out your point, unless you just really wanted Lafreniere, lol.

The point that you clearly missed this whole time was that teams do not say these things publicly... but again you persist with insiders reporting about rumblings that they've heard or what they "think". 

 

As for AF there have been insiders speculating on what the Rangers would be asking for AF. Does that mean that they've said they don't want him on their team as well? 

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9 minutes ago, coryberg said:

The point that you clearly missed this whole time was that teams do not say these things publicly... but again you persist with insiders reporting about rumblings that they've heard or what they "think". 

 

As for AF there have been insiders speculating on what the Rangers would be asking for AF. Does that mean that they've said they don't want him on their team as well? 

Nope, I didn’t miss that. Never said teams say it publicly. Giving an agent permission to facilitate a trade means they’re ready to move on. Read between the lines buddy - that’s different than trade speculation.

 

Looks like you really want AF. Good luck and cheers!

 

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15 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

So, they could have stayed with Benning and pretty much achieved the same thing. Good to know. Maybe Frankie can get off his fat, kid-hating ass and be the GM so there's no longer any doubt in any fans mind.

Benning was done.  He was a good soldier though and followed the owner’s direction right up till he got fired.  I don’t think our owner is a hockey ops meddler.  He’s just set a direction where he doesn’t want steps back.  So trading futures for help now kind of stuff is what the management has to work with.  Benning traded Kessler for Bonino and Sbisa.  Then used the first to get McCann who he quickly traded to get Gudbranson.  Out with Kessler and in with three guys to help in the now.  If we do trade Bo (which I doubt) the return will be guys who can help now.  And any futures will soon be turned into guys to help now.  

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4 minutes ago, Kenny Powers said:

Nope, I didn’t miss that. Never said teams say it publicly. Giving an agent permission to facilitate a trade means they’re ready to move on. Read between the lines buddy - that’s different than trade speculation.

 

Looks like you really want AF. Good luck and cheers!

 

Who is AF?  

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39 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

Will they resign though? Rutherford said that he wouldn't take the job if he didn't have full autonomy over making decisions for the team. Alvin seems like more of a puppet than an actual manager. The next two months will be revealing and could set out the next few years, good or bad. 

i think he will. 

just like linden it’ll get to a point when he’ll just be done. 
PA will be fired because he already said the moves are because the “franchise” Aka aquallini doesn’t want a rebuild.

So he’ll stand up for himself and we all know how that works for GMs with Francesco. ( Burke nonis giliis even linden).

 

it why Benning lasted so long even though he was basically terrible at every aspect of the job and failed at everything he ever said  but never once commented against the owner.


it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I think Rock bottom is still to come. 

 

 

 

 


 

 

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2 minutes ago, combover said:

 

i think he will. 

just like linden it’ll get to a point when he’ll just be done. 
PA will be fired because he already said the moves are because the “franchise” Aka aquallini doesn’t want a rebuild.

So he’ll stand up for himself and we all know how that works for GMs with Francesco. ( Burke nonis giliis even linden).

 

it why Benning lasted so long even though he was basically terrible at every aspect of the job and failed at everything he ever said  but never once commented against the owner.


it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I think Rock bottom is still to come. 

 

 

 

 


 

 

I haven’t heard PA say the moves are because that’s the direction the “franchise” wants. He’s done for sure.  Our owner won’t like that at all.  It’s like our owner has a very thin skin.  

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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I haven’t heard PA say the moves are because that’s the direction the “franchise” wants. He’s done for sure.  Our owner won’t like that at all.  It’s like our owner has a very thin skin.  

He said it on after hours 

“the franchise has no interest in a rebuild”

 

 

 

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19 hours ago, mll said:

 

He's obviously not going to play ahead of Kopitar.  Also don't see LA interested in Horvat as Kopitar's replacement - they are grooming Byfield for that and if he doesn't pan out they can figure it out later.  Horvat is not really a C1 and Danault has really been a perfect C2 for them

Agree to disagree.

 

Bo could play as their C1 no problem. Danault stays as their C2 and Kopitar, would be a fantastic C3 after his mega deal runs out. Re-sign him for cheap, hometown discount. Byfield has a long way to go to be a number one C in this league. Doughty wants to compete in the here and now and adding Bo would make them very deep up the middle and he could play with Fiala. Bo is not a puck hog.

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