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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Benning was done.  He was a good soldier though and followed the owner’s direction right up till he got fired.  I don’t think our owner is a hockey ops meddler.  He’s just set a direction where he doesn’t want steps back.  So trading futures for help now kind of stuff is what the management has to work with.  Benning traded Kessler for Bonino and Sbisa.  Then used the first to get McCann who he quickly traded to get Gudbranson.  Out with Kessler and in with three guys to help in the now.  If we do trade Bo (which I doubt) the return will be guys who can help now.  And any futures will soon be turned into guys to help now.  

I agree with this, Alf.  
 

If we sell we’ll get younger but the primary pieces back will be ones that can step into the lineup next year. 

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5 hours ago, N7Nucks said:

If I recall, Kyper spoke more on a country club culture. This reads as a negative atmosphere. I got laughed at when I said it's no coincidence that Boeser has sort of fallen off since Miller has gotten there. Miller seems like a guy that's hard to be around. I been saying this for 3 years. The team is constantly on edge cause the angry guy can go off at any moment or start openly pouting on the ice. But I kept getting told I was wrong and Miller is exactly the player we need. Now people are starting to catch up on my suspicions. And we are hearing more about how it's creating a terrible lockerroom from media types. I can't wait for people to say our team is just soft. Is Schenn soft? Cause he clearly has a problem with Miller too.

 

JT Miller is what CDC thinks Torts is. Yet very few people hold Miller accountable. They just say "he is passionate about winning." As if that gives him clearance to be a douchebag. Ryan Miller was passionate about winning, but he cared about the team. He was ready to go to war for young Stecher. JT Miller doesn't seem like the type to put anyone above himself. Move him for a bucket of pucks and a couple autographed Bedard sticks.

I wish I could emofi the F out of this, get JT gone.....pleeeeease!

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I’m sure it’s been discussed but what was Georgiev screaming at Makar for? Was that a reverse Miller?

 

Also didn’t he get in some kind of altercation with a teammate in New York? Guys a bit of a hot head no?

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1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

I’m sure it’s been discussed but what was Georgiev screaming at Makar for? Was that a reverse Miller?

 

Also didn’t he get in some kind of altercation with a teammate in New York? Guys a bit of a hot head no?

Makar was terrified of Horvat and made some flimsy poke at the puck instead of just jamming it against the boards. Or literally any smarter play. Turned it over, and they promptly got scored on. The funniest part is Horvat has half as many hits this season than Makar. Horvat doesn't really hit anyone. I guess it doesn't matter, all Makar seen was a 215 pound beast barreling down on him. So he hardcore chickened out and may as well get an assist on the play. Lol. I dunno. Either way it was hilarious. But it's okay. Georgiev is "just passionate."

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7 hours ago, DeNiro said:

I’m sure it’s been discussed but what was Georgiev screaming at Makar for? Was that a reverse Miller?

 

Also didn’t he get in some kind of altercation with a teammate in New York? Guys a bit of a hot head no?

I think he was telling Makar that he wasn't going to win the Norris trophy this year with his sh*tty defensive play.  My lip reading isn't the best though...

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2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

So the reason Boeser sucks now is because of Miller?  That's a stretch.  Also, wasn't Boeser a part of the Lotto Line and was our leading scorer in 2020-2021 with 49 points in 56 games while playing primarily WITH Miller?

Kesler was a prickly pear too.  The prickly pear just can’t be the top dog on the club.  Bo needs to be.  He needs to carve a slice off Miller now and then.  Appears that’s not Bo though.  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Kesler was a prickly pear too.  The prickly pear just can’t be the top dog on the club.  Bo needs to be.  He needs to carve a slice off Miller now and then.  Appears that’s not Bo though.  

lol there's a difference between kesler and miller.. miller literally don't give a sh*t about anyone say about him.. frankly he probably doesn't even care what anyone on the team thinks about him. he just goes out plays his game if u don't like it well too bad.. 

 

and on the topic of shooting % whether its sustainable or not.. kuzmenko is shooting at a even higher % than horvat.. so if we base it on the normal shooting % of 12-13%.. he's normally wouldn't even reach 9 goals yet.. so should JR and PA starts his negotiation by saying well your goal scoring is an anomaly so we don't think you should get paid as much for your production this year coz it's not sustainable?

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16 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

lol there's a difference between kesler and miller.. miller literally don't give a sh*t about anyone say about him.. frankly he probably doesn't even care what anyone on the team thinks about him. he just goes out plays his game if u don't like it well too bad.. 

 

and on the topic of shooting % whether its sustainable or not.. kuzmenko is shooting at a even higher % than horvat.. so if we base it on the normal shooting % of 12-13%.. he's normally wouldn't even reach 9 goals yet.. so should JR and PA starts his negotiation by saying well your goal scoring is an anomaly so we don't think you should get paid as much for your production this year coz it's not sustainable?

Kuzmenko should ideally sign a 1 year deal at around $4-5 million and see what happens next year.  I agree that 25.8% is not sustainable for him, but he needs at least one more year to prove himself.  If he is shooting at 25% all of next year as well then that is a different story.

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4 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Kuzmenko should ideally sign a 1 year deal at around $4-5 million and see what happens next year.  I agree that 25.8% is not sustainable for him, but he needs at least one more year to prove himself.  If he is shooting at 25% all of next year as well then that is a different story.

I doubt Kuz's agent goes for a short (one year) deal.  It will be a 4-6 year deal.  He's a supporting cast player.  Trade him for a young D who has top four upside.  The Habs give up two fabulous D for Drouin and Dach.  Kuz Missile is clearly a far better player than either of those two. 

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15 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Kuzmenko should ideally sign a 1 year deal at around $4-5 million and see what happens next year.  I agree that 25.8% is not sustainable for him, but he needs at least one more year to prove himself.  If he is shooting at 25% all of next year as well then that is a different story.

Or a bridge deal, 2-3 years at $4-5M, would be fine. Also moves things forward until the cap hopefully goes up, whenever that is supposed to happen. I would do this immediately!

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6 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Kesler left it all out on the ice, sacrificed his body to make a play. Kesler was a warrior.

 

Miller is a lazy overpaid grump who can't admit his faults.

Miller was excellent last night, and in a very defensive role.  I see him as our checking center (like Kes was) but with more high end skill.  The management must see Miller in a similar way.  Tried Bo in that role, and clearly he's not able to do it.  

Guest, from Winnipeg, on 650 is saying the Jets would have big interest in Bo.  

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9 minutes ago, aliboy said:

Or a bridge deal, 2-3 years at $4-5M, would be fine. Also moves things forward until the cap hopefully goes up, whenever that is supposed to happen. I would do this immediately!

lol there's almost 0 chance he'll sign a bridge deal.. he might sign another 1 year at 6 mil and wait for the cap to go up and hit the home run.. i honestly don't see him signing for another that doesn't start with a 6.. JR PA doesn't want to offer it? that's fine there'll be plenty of team willing to do that for 1 year. losing both kuz and bo.. we'd be competing with Chicago for the worse offense in the league lol.. hoglander and podkolzin and their 3 combined goals won't make a difference.. sry if JR and PA is not planning on a full blown rebuild.. and want to allocate everything to defence.. where the heck is the offence coming from? we are talking about getting rid of bo kuzmenko boeser maybe garland that's like 60+ goals.. a little less than half of our TOTAL goals this year. so supposively hoglander and podz will replace boeser and garland.. ok we replaced 3 of the 60+ goals.. so we get a 3c that prolly chips in with 10 goals up to this point.. great we are at 47 more goals to replace i'm sure whatever we replace kuzmenko with won't be putting up his number at this point.. so we swap 4 players for 4 players except we are only down probably around 35-40 goals worth of offence.. which would put us dead last in the league.. so are they sure they can retool and not full blown rebuild? 

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10 hours ago, DeNiro said:

I’m sure it’s been discussed but what was Georgiev screaming at Makar for? Was that a reverse Miller?

 

Also didn’t he get in some kind of altercation with a teammate in New York? Guys a bit of a hot head no?

I grew up in a family with lots of yelling and bickering. People who aren't used to that type of thing automatically think it's 'toxic', 'weird', 'unhealthy'... etc but tbh sometimes it's nice. You air your grievance right away then 10 minutes later all is forgiven and everyone has moved on. And no, I'm not condoning acting abusive or like a tyrant. I just think some people don't realize other people/families operate like that.  Good thing my family didn't have the Vancouver / Canadian hockey media reporting on and questioning our every dispute growing up....

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

I doubt Kuz's agent goes for a short (one year) deal.  It will be a 4-6 year deal.  He's a supporting cast player.  Trade him for a young D who has top four upside.  The Habs give up two fabulous D for Drouin and Dach.  Kuz Missile is clearly a far better player than either of those two. 

I'm not sure a team would give him a 6 year deal based on one NHL season.  I could be wrong though.  Also, Kuzmenko might want to do the short term deal because if he hits 30 goals and 80+ points next year then he'd be looking at a far better long term deal one year from now...

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1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Kuzmenko should ideally sign a 1 year deal at around $4-5 million and see what happens next year.  I agree that 25.8% is not sustainable for him, but he needs at least one more year to prove himself.  If he is shooting at 25% all of next year as well then that is a different story.

I disagree. Although I agree his shooting % isn't likely sustainable, I think that what he has shown will garner enough interest that there will be teams chomping at the bit to sign him even without a larger sample size. There is really no reason he will need another year to "prove his worth".

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Starting to think that there might be an eventual deal with WPG. Apparently the Jets have a lot of interest in Horvat. They really want to go on a run in the playoffs.

 

Who comes back though?

 

Would be nice if it was Dubois, but JR/PA might be fine with taking back players with cap (with little term left)

 

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to WPG - Horvat

to VAN - Lowry, Dillon and a 1st

 

Jets could be getting Schmidt and Stanley back soon, so maybe they part with Dillon.

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14 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Starting to think that there might be an eventual deal with WPG. Apparently the Jets have a lot of interest in Horvat. They really want to go on a run in the playoffs.

 

Who comes back though?

 

Would be nice if it was Dubois, but JR/PA might be fine with taking back players with cap (with little term left)

 

(e.g.) 

 

to WPG - Horvat

to VAN - Lowry, Dillon and a 1st

 

Jets could be getting Schmidt and Stanley back soon, so maybe they part with Dillon.

Doesn't sound like Schmidt is working out there. The guy seems like a problem.

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