combover Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 36 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Definitely. But our team can't afford to sign another big $ + long term contract. it’s actually sadly funny. Owners demand win now and trade away one of only two top 6 centers on the team. Ive never heard of a team winning and being as weak as we will be down the middle once he’s gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 20 minutes ago, Fanuck said: I don't think I'd even entertain trading Boeser for that return..... really? they can't even trade Boeser, they have been trying for a year, they are now considering buying him out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, combover said: it’s actually sadly funny. Owners demand win now and trade away one of only two top 6 centers on the team. Ive never heard of a team winning and being as weak as we will be down the middle once he’s gone. The decision was to sign Miller with the expectation that Bo would sign long term for much cheaper (what he was worth at the time). Unfortunately, new management insulted the captain and lowballed him, and he has since gone on to score at an astounding rate, thus pricing himself off the team. They made a big assumption and lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Canucks Curse said: really? they can't even trade Boeser, they have been trying for a year, they are now considering buying him out My feeling is that they could've traded Boeser but a. he was going through some issues with his father and the optics around that wouldn't have been good and b. they want to win-now and any returns wouldn't have helped that cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Jester13 said: The decision was to sign Miller with the expectation that Bo would sign long term for much cheaper (what he was worth at the time). Unfortunately, new management insulted the captain and lowballed him, and he has since gone on to score at an astounding rate, thus pricing himself off the team. They made a big assumption and lost. Oh I get it l. they did it backwards for some reason. Horvat should have been locked up and treated as the priority like they said over and over before they even talked to miller. Yet for sone unexplainable reason they did 180 on every thing they said and made miller the priority almost like someone intervened and forced it. And yes they lost big with what seems to plague this team since around 2012 with short sighted unforced errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 24 minutes ago, combover said: Oh I get it l. they did it backwards for some reason. Horvat should have been locked up and treated as the priority like they said over and over before they even talked to miller. Yet for sone unexplainable reason they did 180 on every thing they said and made miller the priority almost like someone intervened and forced it. And yes they lost big with what seems to plague this team since around 2012 with short sighted unforced errors. IMO, their inexperience buckled when Miller's agent likely threatened to end talks when the season started. They made their decisions and now we're likely going to be paying for it for a long time, unless, of course, they make up for it with a blockbuster trade that helps restructure our team properly for years to come. I don't have much hope for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Jester13 said: IMO, their inexperience buckled when Miller's agent likely threatened to end talks when the season started. They made their decisions and now we're likely going to be paying for it for a long time, unless, of course, they make up for it with a blockbuster trade that helps restructure our team properly for years to come. I don't have much hope for that. Could be although Jr isn’t inexperienced. seems more like a message from owners came in. Lou lam quote of “ask Vancouver what happened “ seems like something was in place the fell through. miller will probably request a trade in a year or two, he’ll be a buyout candidate shortly after that if he’s still here. i can see him being the type of play that his team fans will boo. i see us destine to remain in the same cycle of stupid until ownership is changed. at the very least until Francesco is removed by his brothers as ceo and he had no dealings with hockey ops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 59 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: really? they can't even trade Boeser, they have been trying for a year, they are now considering buying him out Really? How do you know they are considering buying him out? Just a disaster if that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bell said: Really? How do you know they are considering buying him out? Just a disaster if that's the case. https://canucksarmy.com/news/buyout-watch-2023-contracts-canucks-relieve-summer-oels They’ll have to do something this summer if guys aren’t movable in the cap crunched league. Pretty good read Shows the savings Edited January 6 by combover 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 6 minutes ago, combover said: https://canucksarmy.com/news/buyout-watch-2023-contracts-canucks-relieve-summer-oels They’ll have to do something this summer if guys aren’t movable in the cap crunched league. Pretty good read Shows the savings yup. Buying OEL out this summer clears all his cap (almost) for next season. Our management is only here for two more seasons. They are trying win now, and clearing OEL's cap (even if it's only a short term help and a long term problem) will allow them to extend Bo and Kuz. Those two sell seats and that makes our owner happy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: yup. Buying OEL out this summer clears all his cap (almost) for next season. Our management is only here for two more seasons. They are trying win now, and clearing OEL's cap (even if it's only a short term help and a long term problem) will allow them to extend Bo and Kuz. Those two sell seats and that makes our owner happy. If management is stupid enough to buy out anyone and create more long-term dead cap, I'm out and I'll seriously consider a new team to support. Enough is enough. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: If management is stupid enough to buy out anyone and create more long-term dead cap, I'm out and I'll seriously consider a new team to support. Enough is enough. I hear you, but this group only got hired for three years, right? They only have two left to build a winner (which is clearly what our owner is directing) Much like Benning before the moves will be short sighted. How short sighted was the OEL + Garland deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Buying out OEL is dumb imo, if Horvat's moved we're likely not going to be a playoff team over the next couple seasons anyway. Better to just ride it out and buy it out later when there's less term and cap on the deal. It'd likely cost us a good chunk of cap to pay someone to slot into his spot anyway so it's not as if we'd really save anything. Buying out Poolman makes sense but I'd rather just ride out Pearson's last season and flip him at the deadline with 50% retained. Stillman buyout would be fine, but we could just waive him and save roughly the same amount of I'm not mistaken. Myers is the same story as Pearson, better to just ride it out and then flip him at the deadline at 50% retained. Myers at half his full cost would probably be palatable to someone. I'd try to rehabilitate Boeser and Garland, we're gonna have to play someone in our top six anyway, and it's not as if Boeser's deal is long term. I'd trade Miller, even if it meant taking a larger cap hit back. If we can pay someone for three or four years or less that'd be a win in itself imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, Alflives said: I hear you, but this group only got hired for three years, right? They only have two left to build a winner (which is clearly what our owner is directing) Much like Benning before the moves will be short sighted. How short sighted was the OEL + Garland deal? If that's the case, it's up to management to have the integrity to say they won't be doing anything stupid to destroy the franchise. There is a reason that Nonis got another job and Gillis did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 25 minutes ago, combover said: https://canucksarmy.com/news/buyout-watch-2023-contracts-canucks-relieve-summer-oels They’ll have to do something this summer if guys aren’t movable in the cap crunched league. Pretty good read Shows the savings Based on that I'd buyout Poolman and Stillman. Clears 3M in cap for players that aren't even really playing anyway. Plus doesn't really hurt in the long run either (just a 1M hit from Poolman in years 3 and 4). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bell Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 33 minutes ago, combover said: https://canucksarmy.com/news/buyout-watch-2023-contracts-canucks-relieve-summer-oels They’ll have to do something this summer if guys aren’t movable in the cap crunched league. Pretty good read Shows the savings Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 minutes ago, Diamonds said: Based on that I'd buyout Poolman and Stillman. Clears 3M in cap for players that aren't even really playing anyway. Plus doesn't really hurt in the long run either (just a 1M hit from Poolman in years 3 and 4). Better to just get it over with and send Stillman to the AHL and let Poolman stay on LTIR. Adding up a few of these is what got us in a mess in the first place; we don't need another management group that's stupid enough to cripple the franchise with dead cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 22 minutes ago, King Heffy said: If that's the case, it's up to management to have the integrity to say they won't be doing anything stupid to destroy the franchise. There is a reason that Nonis got another job and Gillis did not. Nonis got another job because he kept quiet why he was fired (for refusing to trade two young prospects for an aging Brad Richards) After he spoke up about that in his recent interview he will not get hired again. Gillis was not hired again because he publicly criticized the direction chosen by the owner. This all has to do with the "good ol' boys' club" and less to do with actual performance. Gillis managed the best teams we ever had. Clearly h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Nonis got another job because he kept quiet why he was fired (for refusing to trade two young prospects for an aging Brad Richards) After he spoke up about that in his recent interview he will not get hired again. Gillis was not hired again because he publicly criticized the direction chosen by the owner. This all has to do with the "good ol' boys' club" and less to do with actual performance. Gillis managed the best teams we ever had. Clearly h Nonis got fired for not making a stupid trade. Gillis crippled the franchise by retaining salary on Luongo instead of using the compliance buyout like any GM with a functioning brain would have done. If ownership had an issue with that, the correct thing to do is resign instead of what he chose to do. Bottom line is that there is zero excuse for creating more long-term dead cap now that we'll finally be free from the mistakes of the previous two idiots we had running the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Better to just get it over with and send Stillman to the AHL and let Poolman stay on LTIR. Adding up a few of these is what got us in a mess in the first place; we don't need another management group that's stupid enough to cripple the franchise with dead cap. There is pretty much no dead cap in this case though. The Holtby and Virtanen buyouts are burning us for 2.4M this year (plus Halak's 1.25M in performance bonus we have to pay this year equals 3.65M in dead cap). That is significantly more than the 1M of dead cap for Poolman in years 3 and 4 of buyout. In years 1 and 2 we would save 3.125M and 1.775M respectively. Yes one could also just bury Stillman in the minors for the same effect but I'd honestly rather just get rid of him. With Poolman there's no guarantee he stays on LTIR, he may try to make a return again and then we need to somehow find out how to clear 2.5M in cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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