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3 minutes ago, Diamonds said:

There is pretty much no dead cap in this case though. The Holtby and Virtanen buyouts are burning us for 2.4M this year (plus Halak's 1.25M in performance bonus we have to pay this year equals 3.65M in dead cap). That is significantly more than the 1M of dead cap for Poolman in years 3 and 4 of buyout. In years 1 and 2 we would save 3.125M and 1.775M respectively. Yes one could also just bury Stillman in the minors for the same effect but I'd honestly rather just get rid of him. With Poolman there's no guarantee he stays on LTIR, he may try to make a return again and then we need to somehow find out how to clear 2.5M in cap space.

The acceptable amount for long-term dead cap is zero.  Anything else is grounds for immediate termination of employment without exception.

 

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9 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Nonis got fired for not making a stupid trade.  Gillis crippled the franchise by retaining salary on Luongo instead of using the compliance buyout like any GM with a functioning brain would have done.  If ownership had an issue with that, the correct thing to do is resign instead of what he chose to do.

 

Bottom line is that there is zero excuse for creating more long-term dead cap now that we'll finally be free from the mistakes of the previous two idiots we had running the team.

Of course we don't want long term dead cap.  But the owner wants to win now, and he hired this management for only three years (two left). So much like Benning giving up firsts in (hopeful) win now moves, there's little reason to expect this group will do different.  So we might as well extend Bo, and go all in to try and win with the current core five.

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2 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

The acceptable amount for long-term dead cap is zero.  Anything else is grounds for immediate termination of employment without exception.

 

Tell our owner that.  Although, I can see us using our picks and prospects (and taking on toxic contracts of supporting cast guys) to dump salary.  What's the cost to dump OEL? 

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36 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

If that's the case, it's up to management to have the integrity to say they won't be doing anything stupid to destroy the franchise.  There is a reason that Nonis got another job and Gillis did not.

 

Only jobs Nonis  got were riding burkes coat tails just like here 

never hired without Burke first.and even then he rarely lasted after he took over must be because he was so good.lol. 

But he had the balls to say no to our sht owners as did Gillis . Jb on the other hand was a spineless yes man that had zero clue right till the bitter end. (Zero integrity) 
jury still out on these guys but it’s not looking good with the miller deal. 
pa statement in after hours is already more push back than wiggly worm  jim ever did. 
 


 


 


 

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28 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Nonis got fired for not making a stupid trade.  Gillis crippled the franchise by retaining salary on Luongo instead of using the compliance buyout like any GM with a functioning brain would have done.  If ownership had an issue with that, the correct thing to do is resign instead of what he chose to do.

 

Bottom line is that there is zero excuse for creating more long-term dead cap now that we'll finally be free from the mistakes of the previous two idiots we had running the team.

Gillis had a deal with Toronto for kadri and Gardner 

owners wanted more TO walked away. 

his contract was signed and approved by the nhl pre the rule change Nucks got screwed over never should have had any recapture penalty. Total BS. 

and it was owners that wanted to move on from him not Gillis Louie should have played out his career here but like usual Francesco get easily distracted with a shiny new toy. Franny hired a garbage coach that served his purpose and ran lou out of town. 
i didn’t hear  lou thank ownership when he was here last wierd…

 

gillis was done he’d run his coarse he knew the team needed to be rebuild he’s on record saying it once again pos ownership didn’t like anyone with a spine so quickly hire a rookie PR move president in linden and worthless spline fist puppet in Benning.

odd when linden disagreed gone. But mumbling bumbling Benning remained. 
 

Francesco is the root issue with this club. 
i really hope his wife and kids win their lawsuit and hopefully he gets charged. 

 

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If I was management, and I was told no rebuild, this is what I would do:

 

-Make one final pitch to Horvat for 7.5M x 8 years (total $60M which is more than Miller)

-Buyout Poolman and Stillman for 3.125M in saving next season

-Trade Myers in the summer at 50% retention for anything ($3M saved)

-Trade Boeser with 1M retention for a 3rd line center (e.g. Boeser with 1M retained to Philadelphia for Scott Laughton)

 

All together this effectively gives the Canucks 8M to give raises to Horvat and Kuzmenko and replace Myers. If Horvat + Kuzmenko cost 5M in raises (2M raise for Horvat + 3M raise for Kuzmenko) then it gives the Canucks 3M in cap space to weaponize to find a Myers replacement. The trade could be something like Miller + whatever pick we get for trading Myers (4th?) to Islanders for Pulock + Bailey.

 

Next season's roster:

 

Kuzmenko - Petterson - Mikheyev

Bailey - Horvat - Garland/Hoglander

Pearson - Laughton - Podkolzin

Lazar - Aman - Lockwood/Joshua

 

Hughes - Pulock

OEL - Bear

Dermott - Schenn

 

If Horvat turns down the final pitch, then I go back to ownership and tell them we need to rebuild or I walk.

 

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2 minutes ago, Diamonds said:

If I was management, and I was told no rebuild, this is what I would do:

 

-Make one final pitch to Horvat for 7.5M x 8 years (total $60M which is more than Miller)

-Buyout Poolman and Stillman for 3.125M in saving next season

-Trade Myers in the summer at 50% retention for anything ($3M saved)

-Trade Boeser with 1M retention for a 3rd line center (e.g. Boeser with 1M retained to Philadelphia for Scott Laughton)

 

All together this effectively gives the Canucks 8M to give raises to Horvat and Kuzmenko and replace Myers. If Horvat + Kuzmenko cost 5M in raises (2M raise for Horvat + 3M raise for Kuzmenko) then it gives the Canucks 3M in cap space to weaponize to find a Myers replacement. The trade could be something like Miller + whatever pick we get for trading Myers (4th?) to Islanders for Pulock + Bailey.

 

Next season's roster:

 

Kuzmenko - Petterson - Mikheyev

Bailey - Horvat - Garland/Hoglander

Pearson - Laughton - Podkolzin

Lazar - Aman - Lockwood/Joshua

 

Hughes - Pulock

OEL - Bear

Dermott - Schenn

 

If Horvat turns down the final pitch, then I go back to ownership and tell them we need to rebuild or I walk.

 

Looks good 

I’d try to move out  garland pearson get more size and speed 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Diamonds said:

If I was management, and I was told no rebuild, this is what I would do:

 

-Make one final pitch to Horvat for 7.5M x 8 years (total $60M which is more than Miller)

-Buyout Poolman and Stillman for 3.125M in saving next season

-Trade Myers in the summer at 50% retention for anything ($3M saved)

-Trade Boeser with 1M retention for a 3rd line center (e.g. Boeser with 1M retained to Philadelphia for Scott Laughton)

 

All together this effectively gives the Canucks 8M to give raises to Horvat and Kuzmenko and replace Myers. If Horvat + Kuzmenko cost 5M in raises (2M raise for Horvat + 3M raise for Kuzmenko) then it gives the Canucks 3M in cap space to weaponize to find a Myers replacement. The trade could be something like Miller + whatever pick we get for trading Myers (4th?) to Islanders for Pulock + Bailey.

 

Next season's roster:

 

Kuzmenko - Petterson - Mikheyev

Bailey - Horvat - Garland/Hoglander

Pearson - Laughton - Podkolzin

Lazar - Aman - Lockwood/Joshua

 

Hughes - Pulock

OEL - Bear

Dermott - Schenn

 

If Horvat turns down the final pitch, then I go back to ownership and tell them we need to rebuild or I walk.

 

And if any GM considers that then they need to be fired on the spot.

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18 minutes ago, Diamonds said:

If I was management, and I was told no rebuild, this is what I would do:

 

-Make one final pitch to Horvat for 7.5M x 8 years (total $60M which is more than Miller)

-Buyout Poolman and Stillman for 3.125M in saving next season

-Trade Myers in the summer at 50% retention for anything ($3M saved)

-Trade Boeser with 1M retention for a 3rd line center (e.g. Boeser with 1M retained to Philadelphia for Scott Laughton)

 

All together this effectively gives the Canucks 8M to give raises to Horvat and Kuzmenko and replace Myers. If Horvat + Kuzmenko cost 5M in raises (2M raise for Horvat + 3M raise for Kuzmenko) then it gives the Canucks 3M in cap space to weaponize to find a Myers replacement. The trade could be something like Miller + whatever pick we get for trading Myers (4th?) to Islanders for Pulock + Bailey.

 

Next season's roster:

 

Kuzmenko - Petterson - Mikheyev

Bailey - Horvat - Garland/Hoglander

Pearson - Laughton - Podkolzin

Lazar - Aman - Lockwood/Joshua

 

Hughes - Pulock

OEL - Bear

Dermott - Schenn

 

If Horvat turns down the final pitch, then I go back to ownership and tell them we need to rebuild or I walk.

 

Pretty good but I think Kuzmenko gets more than 3M and I don't see why NYI make that deal.

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24 minutes ago, combover said:

Gillis had a deal with Toronto for kadri and Gardner 

owners wanted more TO walked away. 

his contract was signed and approved by the nhl pre the rule change Nucks got screwed over never should have had any recapture penalty. Total BS. 

and it was owners that wanted to move on from him not Gillis Louie should have played out his career here but like usual Francesco get easily distracted with a shiny new toy. Franny hired a garbage coach that served his purpose and ran lou out of town. 
i didn’t hear  lou thank ownership when he was here last wierd…

 

gillis was done he’d run his coarse he knew the team needed to be rebuild he’s on record saying it once again pos ownership didn’t like anyone with a spine so quickly hire a rookie PR move president in linden and worthless spline fist puppet in Benning.

odd when linden disagreed gone. But mumbling bumbling Benning remained. 
 

Francesco is the root issue with this club. 
i really hope his wife and kids win their lawsuit and hopefully he gets charged. 

 

So, at the time, this trade was reported (pure speculation) as a pair of 2nd round picks...

 

I know Burke has reported that it was for Kadri, Gardner and 2 firsts. The point that I'm making is that the media in Vancouver often likes to release total speculation under he guise of fact.

 

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34 minutes ago, combover said:

Gillis had a deal with Toronto for kadri and Gardner 

owners wanted more TO walked away. 

his contract was signed and approved by the nhl pre the rule change Nucks got screwed over never should have had any recapture penalty. Total BS. 

and it was owners that wanted to move on from him not Gillis Louie should have played out his career here but like usual Francesco get easily distracted with a shiny new toy. Franny hired a garbage coach that served his purpose and ran lou out of town. 
i didn’t hear  lou thank ownership when he was here last wierd…

 

gillis was done he’d run his coarse he knew the team needed to be rebuild he’s on record saying it once again pos ownership didn’t like anyone with a spine so quickly hire a rookie PR move president in linden and worthless spline fist puppet in Benning.

odd when linden disagreed gone. But mumbling bumbling Benning remained. 
 

Francesco is the root issue with this club. 
i really hope his wife and kids win their lawsuit and hopefully he gets charged. 


 

 

He is the reason you have a Canucks team in Vancouver and not sold and moved years ago. Something people seem to forget or think is that someone investing their millions upon millions of their dollars means yes they have say and can influence their organization.

 

Hoping someone gets charged because you don't like them owning the hockey team you are a fan of is pretty lame. Nobody is getting charged, worst case scenario the court sides with the "adult" children and wife, Aquilini is given a financial slap on the wrist having to pay their tuition and some monthly allowance.

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8 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

 

He is the reason you have a Canucks team in Vancouver and not sold and moved years ago. Something people seem to forget or think is that someone investing their millions upon millions of their dollars means yes they have say and can influence their organization.

There were plenty of potential owners when the team was sold last time, so he isn’t the reason there is a team in Vancouver.  He even screwed over another guy who wanted to be part of the ownership (who went on to buy and run a more successful franchise).

 

That is pure unadulterated lie on your part.

 

He is also making hundreds of millions for his investment in both increased equity and operating profits, so it isn’t some sort of charity on his part.

 

As it turns out, being slumlords or exploiting and killing vulnerable immigrants on blueberry farms doesn’t qualify you to be an NHL GM.

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46 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

Pretty good but I think Kuzmenko gets more than 3M and I don't see why NYI make that deal.

3M raise, so 4M deal for Kuzmenko. Prove this year wasn't a one-off before getting bigger money.

 

For NYI, it gives them 3M in cap space plus increased scoring (which they are apparently looking for). With Dobson and Mayfield on their right side plus Romanov that can play both, Pulock is now a luxury that they don't need. Another option would be to just use the cap space to offer Mayfield 3M in free agency if NYI don't resign him.

 

Edit: In the last suggestion we would basically be trading Myers for Mayfield who should theoretically be a better fit

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4 minutes ago, Diamonds said:

3M raise, so 4M deal for Kuzmenko. Prove this year wasn't a one-off before getting bigger money.

 

For NYI, it gives them 3M in cap space plus increased scoring (which they are apparently looking for). With Dobson and Mayfield on their right side plus Romanov that can play both, Pulock is now a luxury that they don't need. Another option would be to just use the cap space to offer Mayfield 3M in free agency if NYI don't resign him.

He is a 27 year old UFA. He doesn't have to take a prove me contract. His agent has implied they're probably looking to break bank. 

 

Probably looking around 6-7M around a 5 year deal minimum if he hits 30 goals and 70 points. 

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5 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

He is a 27 year old UFA. He doesn't have to take a prove me contract. His agent has implied they're probably looking to break bank. 

 

Probably looking around 6-7M around a 5 year deal minimum if he hits 30 goals and 70 points. 

If that's what Kuzmenko is looking for then I think he's as good as gone.

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1 hour ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

 

He is the reason you have a Canucks team in Vancouver and not sold and moved years ago. Something people seem to forget or think is that someone investing their millions upon millions of their dollars means yes they have say and can influence their organization.

 

Hoping someone gets charged because you don't like them owning the hockey team you are a fan of is pretty lame. Nobody is getting charged, worst case scenario the court sides with the "adult" children and wife, Aquilini is given a financial slap on the wrist having to pay their tuition and some monthly allowance.

Lol you really think the NHL is going to let an owner move the a team out of the third largest Canadian market when the league is dependent on said Canadian market to subsidize its southern expansion pipe dream? 

 

The Canucks ain't going anywhere under any owner until the Canadian economy somehow crash off the face of the earth and the US is not dragged down or the one dragging Canada down with it. 

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1 hour ago, Provost said:

There were plenty of potential owners who. The team was sold last time, so he isn’t the reason there is a team in Vancouver.  He even screwed over another guy who wanted to be part of the ownership (who went on to buy and run a more successful franchise).

 

That is pure unadulterated lie on your sort.

 

He is also making hundreds of millions for his investment in both increased equity and operating profits, so it isn’t some sort of charity on his part.

 

As it turns out, being slumlords or exploiting and killing vulnerable immigrants on blueberry farms doesn’t qualify you to be an NHL GM.

Gillis had the Canucks worth the most.  Our team is the only club to lose value over the Benn8ng years.  

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