Provost Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 15 minutes ago, Alflives said: Gillis had the Canucks worth the most. Our team is the only club to lose value over the Benn8ng years. Aside from being not true... that is an excellent point. The franchise is worth more now than it has ever been, by a significant margin. Lots of teams flattened or dropped in value from 2014 for the next few years and have all rebounded sharply in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: He is the reason you have a Canucks team in Vancouver There was another local buyer; so it isn't a fait a compli that the team would have been moved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 14 minutes ago, Provost said: Aside from being not true... that is an excellent point. The franchise is worth more now than it has ever been, by a significant margin. Lots of teams flattened or dropped in value from 2014 for the next few years and have all rebounded sharply in recent years. Actually our club is the only one to lose value during the last 8 years. All others increased and ours went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: There was another local buyer; so it isn't a fait a compli that the team would have been moved. Didn’t the guy who bought Dallas want to buy the Canucks and even took Aquilini to court about some back door swindling that kept him from getting our club? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Didn’t the guy who bought Dallas want to buy the Canucks and even took Aquilini to court about some back door swindling that kept him from getting our club? Aqua, and Gaglardi were partners in a bid to buy the team. Something went wrong with that bid, and the team was sold to the Aqua group as solo owner. Yes there was a court case over it. It would be interesting to compare Dallas and the Canucks, year by year, since the new owners took over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: He is the reason you have a Canucks team in Vancouver and not sold and moved years ago. Something people seem to forget or think is that someone investing their millions upon millions of their dollars means yes they have say and can influence their organization. Hoping someone gets charged because you don't like them owning the hockey team you are a fan of is pretty lame. Nobody is getting charged, worst case scenario the court sides with the "adult" children and wife, Aquilini is given a financial slap on the wrist having to pay their tuition and some monthly allowance. And what about those of us who want him charged solely because of what he is accused of doing is criminal assault? Gaglardi also tried to buy the team at the time and would have been a far better owner than the scumbag who is currently in charge. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Alflives said: Actually our club is the only one to lose value during the last 8 years. All others increased and ours went down. Please find something to cite your claim. Our club just surpassed $1 billion and was $700 million at the start of 2014 when Benning took over. Values by year: 2013 - $700 million (that was the value just before Benning was hired) 2014 - $800 million 2015 - $745 million 2016 - $700 million 2017 - $730 million 2018 - $735 million 2019 - $740 million 2020 - $725 million 2021 - $825 million (that was the value when Benning was fired) 2022 - $1.01 billion In perspective, other Canadian teams like Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa, and Winnipeg also had multi-year dips during that period. That is what happens when league values and things like salaries are calculated/paid in USD and the bulk of revenue is received in Canadian dollars. In 2014 our dollar was over 90 cents US. In the years after than when the franchise value dropped for most Canadian teams our dollar was worth 70-80 cents USD. Benning was a terrible GM... but it was outside forces responsible for the change in values and very little to do with his utter incompetency. The team was still selling out most games, TV revenue didn't drop, real estate value increased, and the only drop in revenue was less playoff games and that is a pretty small drop in the bucket in terms of the overall picture. Edited January 7 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said: He is the reason you have a Canucks team in Vancouver and not sold and moved years ago. Something people seem to forget or think is that someone investing their millions upon millions of their dollars means yes they have say and can influence their organization. Hoping someone gets charged because you don't like them owning the hockey team you are a fan of is pretty lame. Nobody is getting charged, worst case scenario the court sides with the "adult" children and wife, Aquilini is given a financial slap on the wrist having to pay their tuition and some monthly allowance. Hahahahaha didn’t he scumbag his partner in court to get full control… they won’t move this club they wouldn't then And they won’t now. Hey you can support him all you want defend him think he’s the saviour that’s preventing the team from moving. even if hes none of those things. he has kids that have sworn affidavits he abused them that’s pretty harsh And not a very good look for a nhl owner. It won’t be a sad day when he’s no longer associated with this team hopefully it’s sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 5 hours ago, combover said: https://canucksarmy.com/news/buyout-watch-2023-contracts-canucks-relieve-summer-oels They’ll have to do something this summer if guys aren’t movable in the cap crunched league. Pretty good read Shows the savings All of these buyouts are a bad idea. The guys with only one more year left after this year (Pearson, Myers, Stillman will likely actually have positive value at the deadline as rentals... so why saddle yourself with years of cap penalties. Most of the other guys could be waived and would be picked up by another team letting us escape entirely from their cap hit or still have positive trade value (Miller, Garland, Boeser). Poolman, it is believed you can't buy out an injured player due to the waiver wire requirements. Even if you could, really the answer would be to tell him he either announces his medical retirement or he gets bought out and loses millions compared with being permanently on LTIR. OEL, well he is still providing value commensurate with his salary... so buying him out doesn't make a ton of sense. Buying him out in 2024 or 2025 might make more sense when there is less penalty and his play may have actually declined. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 29 minutes ago, Provost said: Please find something to cite your claim. Our club just surpassed $1 billion and was $700 million at the start of 2014 when Benning took over. Values by year: 2013 - $700 million (that was the value just before Benning was hired) 2014 - $800 million 2015 - $745 million 2016 - $700 million 2017 - $730 million 2018 - $735 million 2019 - $740 million 2020 - $725 million 2021 - $825 million (that was the value when Benning was fired) 2022 - $1.01 billion In perspective, other Canadian teams like Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, Ottawa, and Winnipeg also had multi-year dips during that period. That is what happens when league values and things like salaries are calculated/paid in USD and the bulk of revenue is received in Canadian dollars. In 2014 our dollar was over 90 cents US. In the years after than when the franchise value dropped for most Canadian teams our dollar was worth 70-80 cents USD. Benning was a terrible GM... but it was outside forces responsible for the change in values and very little to do with his utter incompetency. The team was still selling out most games, TV revenue didn't drop, real estate value increased, and the only drop in revenue was less playoff games and that is a pretty small drop in the bucket in terms of the overall picture. So Benning gets the axe and the club gets a 20% Bump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 6 minutes ago, Provost said: All of these buyouts are a bad idea. The guys with only one more year left after this year (Pearson, Myers, Stillman will likely actually have positive value at the deadline as rentals... so why saddle yourself with years of cap penalties. Most of the other guys could be waived and would be picked up by another team letting us escape entirely from their cap hit or still have positive trade value (Miller, Garland, Boeser). Poolman, it is believed you can't buy out an injured player due to the waiver wire requirements. Even if you could, really the answer would be to tell him he either announces his medical retirement or he gets bought out and loses millions compared with being permanently on LTIR. OEL, well he is still providing value commensurate with his salary... so buying him out doesn't make a ton of sense. Buying him out in 2024 or 2025 might make more sense when there is less penalty and his play may have actually declined. Yeah I don't know. I’d say be patient but that doesn’t seem to be the way. I mean we were close to have a ton of cap on more than one occasion and gms here seem like it burning holes in there heads. Jb with OEL new guys with miller boeser i guess it comes down if they need the cap asap and don’t want to pay with picks to move out players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I’m looking forward to closure whatever that may be. Kinda hate this season with all the unknowns 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st33 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 4 hours ago, Diamonds said: If I was management, and I was told no rebuild, this is what I would do: -Make one final pitch to Horvat for 7.5M x 8 years (total $60M which is more than Miller) -Buyout Poolman and Stillman for 3.125M in saving next season -Trade Myers in the summer at 50% retention for anything ($3M saved) -Trade Boeser with 1M retention for a 3rd line center (e.g. Boeser with 1M retained to Philadelphia for Scott Laughton) All together this effectively gives the Canucks 8M to give raises to Horvat and Kuzmenko and replace Myers. If Horvat + Kuzmenko cost 5M in raises (2M raise for Horvat + 3M raise for Kuzmenko) then it gives the Canucks 3M in cap space to weaponize to find a Myers replacement. The trade could be something like Miller + whatever pick we get for trading Myers (4th?) to Islanders for Pulock + Bailey. Next season's roster: Kuzmenko - Petterson - Mikheyev Bailey - Horvat - Garland/Hoglander Pearson - Laughton - Podkolzin Lazar - Aman - Lockwood/Joshua Hughes - Pulock OEL - Bear Dermott - Schenn If Horvat turns down the final pitch, then I go back to ownership and tell them we need to rebuild or I walk. Is it me or is that lineup missing miller? Edit: it's me didn't see the trade Edited January 7 by st33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Bo 7 x 8 coming soon. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EB43 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Trade Bo for future considerations. Shit the bed hard for Bedard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 19 minutes ago, Alflives said: Bo 7 x 8 coming soon. If true, I look forward to Alvin’s press release: ”like I said from the beginning, the team Jim Benning assembled is a contender. Our goal when we came in was to ensure we re-signed the same players, and added game breakers like Stillman” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 13 hours ago, Alflives said: Kesler was a prickly pear too. The prickly pear just can’t be the top dog on the club. Bo needs to be. He needs to carve a slice off Miller now and then. Appears that’s not Bo though. The days Messier would punch out a team mate. For having a bad attitude are long gone. Bo plays hard. Shows up in great shape. Its what I want in a Captain. The rumor out there is the biggest rift is between Miller & Horvat amongst each other. So seeing Miller cap a great deal for having a career season??? 12 hours ago, Alflives said: Miller was excellent last night, and in a very defensive role. I see him as our checking center (like Kes was) but with more high end skill. The management must see Miller in a similar way. Tried Bo in that role, and clearly he's not able to do it. Guest, from Winnipeg, on 650 is saying the Jets would have big interest in Bo. We needed to cash at least one of Miller or Horvat for young parts. Be sad if its Bo. Right now they have to do what is needed. Which is still trade one of Bo or Miller. There remains other stuff. Some dead cap moved to create room for better D, Myers, Pearson, Boeser or Garland. Any two? Ideally OEL in a mix of 5 instead of 4. But he's most useful, even while some of his skills (running a PP) are redundant with Hughes here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Vote for Bo https://gamezone.nhl.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted January 7 Popular Post Share Posted January 7 Jannik Hansen made a good point on the radio. (Like always) If we pay Bo what he’s worth we’re going to pay him like a first line center. He’s not a first line center, and on a winning team he would not be able to play the role he’s playing, at least not sustainably. So if we picture this team being a playoff contender with Bo on it what role is he playing? Because the only way I see that working is with him being a two way shutdown guy. Not a player that we’re valuing as a 40 goal guy. Too many guys on this team right now are cheating defensively and focusing on boosting their stats. It’s the worst combination you can have. You’re gonna have to pay guys big money for a style of game that doesn’t equal winning. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck You Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 How time fly's ...Gonna miss our draft pick, Gillis did this one right.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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