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27 minutes ago, Canuck You said:

How time fly's ...Gonna miss our draft pick, Gillis did this one right..

 

 

Not a huge MG fan but agree 100%. No leaks on that one and it was towards the end of his tenure when the sharks were possibly circling.

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3 hours ago, Gurn said:

Aqua, and Gaglardi were partners in a bid to buy the team.

Something went wrong with that bid, and the team was sold to the Aqua group as solo owner.

Yes there was a court case over it.

 

It would be interesting to compare Dallas and the Canucks, year by year, since the new owners took over.

The Gagliardi family is pretty sketch in their own right (pretty crooked history with highway building in BC) but it's hard to wonder how much less dysfunctional we'd be if there were other parties to keep Aquaman in better check.

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1 hour ago, DeNiro said:

Jannik Hansen made a good point on the radio. (Like always)

 

If we pay Bo what he’s worth we’re going to pay him like a first line center. He’s not a first line center, and on a winning team he would not be able to play the role he’s playing, at least not sustainably.

 

So if we picture this team being a playoff contender with Bo on it what role is he playing? Because the only way I see that working is with him being a two way shutdown guy. Not a player that we’re valuing as a 40 goal guy. 
 

Too many guys on this team right now are cheating defensively and focusing on boosting their stats. It’s the worst combination you can have. You’re gonna have to pay guys big money for a style of game that doesn’t equal winning.

The last paragraph is right on the point. 

Hansen is right. Bo is not a first line center. Petey is. At 7 mill, as a second line center, it makes sense to bring him back though — if trading Miller were an option. Sadly that ship has sailed. 

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7 minutes ago, jyu said:

The last paragraph is right on the point. 

Hansen is right. Bo is not a first line center. Petey is. At 7 mill, as a second line center, it makes sense to bring him back though — if trading Miller were an option. Sadly that ship has sailed. 

I agree 100% but players salaries change as does the salary cap. So paying Bo say 8m looks like a lot right now, but if Petey say gets 10-12m on his next deal and the cap does go up by a decent amount in 2 years then 8m for a #2C is still high but not the worst thing.

 

I still wish we traded JT as he was never a natural C but management signed him and I think unless JT asks for a trade I don't think they move him before his new deal kicks in when he has trade protection.

 

So, if it were up to me and it is NOT I would try to move JT but if the team can't I would move Myers this TDL and 1 of Garland or Pearson if possible if not at the draft. I honestly would let Myers go for free or add something to him to clear that 6m this year to then try to retain Bo before the TDL and or Kuz.

 

I don't want to overpay Bo for his crazy good contract year but we don't have much choice...thanks to Benning he have 0 depth at nearly all positions and in this case the C position with Horvat.

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6 hours ago, Diamonds said:

If I was management, and I was told no rebuild, this is what I would do:

 

-Make one final pitch to Horvat for 7.5M x 8 years (total $60M which is more than Miller)

-Buyout Poolman and Stillman for 3.125M in saving next season

-Trade Myers in the summer at 50% retention for anything ($3M saved)

-Trade Boeser with 1M retention for a 3rd line center (e.g. Boeser with 1M retained to Philadelphia for Scott Laughton)

 

All together this effectively gives the Canucks 8M to give raises to Horvat and Kuzmenko and replace Myers. If Horvat + Kuzmenko cost 5M in raises (2M raise for Horvat + 3M raise for Kuzmenko) then it gives the Canucks 3M in cap space to weaponize to find a Myers replacement. The trade could be something like Miller + whatever pick we get for trading Myers (4th?) to Islanders for Pulock + Bailey.

 

Next season's roster:

 

Kuzmenko - Petterson - Mikheyev

Bailey - Horvat - Garland/Hoglander

Pearson - Laughton - Podkolzin

Lazar - Aman - Lockwood/Joshua

 

Hughes - Pulock

OEL - Bear

Dermott - Schenn

 

If Horvat turns down the final pitch, then I go back to ownership and tell them we need to rebuild or I walk.

 

Pulock has a full NTC this season as well as the next four, given we look more primed for a rebuild than anything I question why he'd leave long Island for this mess

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23 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Pulock has a full NTC this season as well as the next four, given we look more primed for a rebuild than anything I question why he'd leave long Island for this mess

Can't see why NYI would even consider the trade either.  Lamoriello gave him an NTC for a reason.  Pulock is a legit top pairing D - Romanov might not even be a top-4 D and Mayfield is a 3rd pairing D + he's a UFA.  Moving him would create a significant hole in their lineup.  Lamoriello also wants a defence 1st team and insists that it's defence that wins championships.  If they remove from their roster it's likely F for F like he said in the summer, but can't see them creating a hole on D for a F.  

 

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5 hours ago, Alflives said:

So Benning gets the axe and the club gets a 20% Bump!  

Nope… values went up all around the league.  Benning may be spectacularly incompetent, but he doesn’t have that power.  Nor has no management management done anything in the last year to increase the team value beyond the bump the whole league got.

 

A new TV deal and a $650 million dollar franchise fee does wonders though.

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2 hours ago, mll said:

Can't see why NYI would even consider the trade either.  Lamoriello gave him an NTC for a reason.  Pulock is a legit top pairing D - Romanov might not even be a top-4 D and Mayfield is a 3rd pairing D + he's a UFA.  Moving him would create a significant hole in their lineup.  Lamoriello also wants a defence 1st team and insists that it's defence that wins championships.  If they remove from their roster it's likely F for F like he said in the summer, but can't see them creating a hole on D for a F.  

 

I wonder if they’d be looking to add to their D more than anything.

 

Maybe something around a Myers for Beauvillier deal makes sense for both sides.

 

They unload an underperforming winger that has kind of fallen out of favour there. We save almost 2 mil and add a younger forward who can help replace the lost depth with Pearson and Boeser likely departing.

 

Beauvillier was drafted as a center, I wonder if we could take a look at him as a third line center. He plays with speed and creativity. Surely he’s an upgrade over Dries there.

 

Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikayev

Miller Horvat Boeser

Pearson Beauvillier Garland

 

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Lets start wi reclamations?  Then get to Bo. Presuming it is ''hard'' to trade Boeser...

 

Boeser to Detroit for Jakub Vrana & Albert Johansson.    

 

Why? 

 

* Vrana, healthy is one of few who can & do score more goals than peak Boeser. Who has not been peak since wrist & back injuries.

* Rumor he was on NHL 3 strikes program, not substance addiction.

* For transparency its not the 1st time in program. 

* Detroit does deal to get something for Vrana.

* $1.4 Lower cap hit for us.  $2.55 lower if buried (as he just cleared waivers)

* One year shorter term.

* Johansson = Great 21 yea old PMD prospect wi 2knd pair upside.  Very positive development, drafted 2knd round 2019. 25 points in 50 SHL games last year.

 

Bottom line is more risk in Vrana. Less dollars, cap, term with higher upside. Plus solid prospect.

 

Bo & Schenn to Carolina for C Jesperi Kotkaniemi, 1st 2023, RHD prospect Scott Morrow.

 

Why?

 

* Morrow is one of the best RHD prospects in world.  6'3'', 200lbs, slick skills with the puck, composed, howitzer shot.

* Attacks offensively & defensively; 49 points in 56 NCAA games to date.

* Just turned 20 in November, already has an NHL body & skating, including edges and explosive speed.

* 1st round pick, albeit late in a good draft.

* Kotkaniemi gives the Canes enough cap relief, we get a former lotto pick C behind Miller & Petey. 

* We save the $3 to $4 mill pay increase with Horvat next year, or losing him fort free.

* Fits the need a NHL player (young) description reported to be as demanded by ownership.  ie not all futures. I would pick different than Jesperi otherwise.

* The cap fits both teams, the biggest current deal inhibitor in the market.  

 

Kotkaniemi is struggling in a heavy defense 1st, top NHL team.  Pressure off and more opportunity is what the Doctor ordered.  

 

https://dobberprospects.com/player/scott-morrow/

 

February 2021 – Seldom do prep school players deserve attention in the first half of the top round in the NHL Draft but Scott Morrow has a special toolset. His raw tools in combination with his physical frame are among the best in the class. The Shattuck St. Mary’s star has been catching the eye of scouts and analysts alike since last season.

 

Morrow plays with such a cerebral mindset, looking to attack at all times. Rarely allowing the game to come to him, he takes space away defensively with aggressive puck pursuit and tight gaps on the rush. When the puck isn’t on the stick of himself or a teammate, Morrow ensures that it gets there.

 

His entire game is built upon his skating base. Multi-lateral mobility and the ability to hit the jets with ease allow Morrow to be one of the most mobile players in the 2021 draft class. He understands how to maneuver the ice, cutting down angles and timing runs perfectly. The young defender is consistently pushing the pace of play, predatorily attacking the opposition where they give him room. His passing is pinpoint and he focuses on putting the puck to dangerous areas, via his feet or playmaking, unlike nearly any other defender eligible in 2021.

 

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4 hours ago, The.Burrowers said:

The Gagliardi family is pretty sketch in their own right (pretty crooked history with highway building in BC) but it's hard to wonder how much less dysfunctional we'd be if there were other parties to keep Aquaman in better check.

It began with the Social Credit Minister of Highways, Phil Gagliardi, a preacher from Kelowna who built roads all over BC. And, when people grew weary of travelling those many miles, they would need a place to sleep. And wouldn't it be a great business opportunity to build a chain of motor inns? Cough, Sandman, cough. And wouldn't it also help to know where the roads were going to be built in order to buy up land ahead of time?

 

My all time favourite quote from a BC politician occurred when Gagliardi was asked about his highways portfolio and he replied,"Of course I understand highways. I am a highwayman."

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Teams in need of C depth 1.wild 2.avalanche 3.TB 4.wings 5.preds those are teams either in or flirting with playoffs that need help down the middle the most I was going to have Washington but backstrom is almost ready to return and also could throw kraken on there but divisional trade I wouldn’t do that unless it was for wright and well we all know that ain’t going to happen 

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8 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Jannik Hansen made a good point on the radio. (Like always)

 

If we pay Bo what he’s worth we’re going to pay him like a first line center. He’s not a first line center, and on a winning team he would not be able to play the role he’s playing, at least not sustainably.

 

So if we picture this team being a playoff contender with Bo on it what role is he playing? Because the only way I see that working is with him being a two way shutdown guy. Not a player that we’re valuing as a 40 goal guy. 
 

Too many guys on this team right now are cheating defensively and focusing on boosting their stats. It’s the worst combination you can have. You’re gonna have to pay guys big money for a style of game that doesn’t equal winning.

Jannik Hansen should open up an account on CDC and start posting in this thread. I’ve love for him to start debating some of the posters. Would be great entertainment. 
 

BO isn’t a 1C. Never has been and never will be. He isn’t a play driver. Playing behind Petey allows him to get better matchups. Same as last year when he played behind Miller. Also, he’s average defensively and his shooting % of 25% is unsustainable. Signing him to an 8x8 contract would be a huge mistake. 
 

The argument of the pro BO crowd is that Horvat is more valuable than Miller and should have been signed first, so please, please trade Miller cause you f*cked up and re-sign our BO at any cost. 
 

At least Hansen shows some objectivity and makes the smart argument that BO isn’t worth an 8x8 contract regardless of what Miller is getting paid or how he is currently playing. 
 

The Miller contract is a completely separate item than the BO contract. If JR feels he wants to move on from Miller than trade him. But even if you trade Miller that still doesn’t justify paying BO as a 1C. 

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1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Jannik Hansen should open up an account on CDC and start posting in this thread. I’ve love for him to start debating some of the posters. Would be great entertainment. 
 

BO isn’t a 1C. Never has been and never will be. He isn’t a play driver. Playing behind Petey allows him to get better matchups. Same as last year when he played behind Miller. Also, he’s average defensively and his shooting % of 25% is unsustainable. Signing him to an 8x8 contract would be a huge mistake. 
 

The argument of the pro BO crowd is that Horvat is more valuable than Miller and should have been signed first, so please, please trade Miller cause you f*cked up and re-sign our BO at any cost. 
 

At least Hansen shows some objectivity and makes the smart argument that BO isn’t worth an 8x8 contract regardless of what Miller is getting paid or how he is currently playing. 
 

The Miller contract is a completely separate item than the BO contract. If JR feels he wants to move on from Miller than trade him. But even if you trade Miller that still doesn’t justify paying BO as a 1C. 

ES ice-time:
Horvat - 575:49 (26th amongst centers)

Pettersson - 514:21 (67th amongst centers)

 

Ice-time against elite competitions.

Horvat - 164:40

Pettersson - 144.10

 

Seem like Bo plays more of a 1C role than Pettersson, if you ask me. Bo is also 11th amongst centers in total ice-time. While Pettersson is 26th.
 

 

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15 minutes ago, shiznak said:

ES ice-time:
Horvat - 575:49 (26th amongst centers)

Pettersson - 514:21 (67th amongst centers)

 

Ice-time against elite competitions.

Horvat - 164:40

Pettersson - 144.10

 

Seem like Bo plays more of a 1C role than Pettersson, if you ask me. Bo is also 11th amongst centers in total ice-time. While Pettersson is 26th.
 

 

I don't think ES ice time is the #1 definition of whether a player is a 1C versus a 2C.  Also, Horvat is sent out many times simply to take draws which increases his ice time.

 

Are you suggesting that BO is our 1C and Petey is our 2C?  If so, maybe that is one of the reasons why we are a lottery team, trying to pump BO as a 1C.  We probably would be a better team if Petey had more ice time...

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1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Jannik Hansen should open up an account on CDC and start posting in this thread. I’ve love for him to start debating some of the posters. Would be great entertainment. 
 

BO isn’t a 1C. Never has been and never will be. He isn’t a play driver. Playing behind Petey allows him to get better matchups. Same as last year when he played behind Miller. Also, he’s average defensively and his shooting % of 25% is unsustainable. Signing him to an 8x8 contract would be a huge mistake. 
 

The argument of the pro BO crowd is that Horvat is more valuable than Miller and should have been signed first, so please, please trade Miller cause you f*cked up and re-sign our BO at any cost. 
 

At least Hansen shows some objectivity and makes the smart argument that BO isn’t worth an 8x8 contract regardless of what Miller is getting paid or how he is currently playing. 
 

The Miller contract is a completely separate item than the BO contract. If JR feels he wants to move on from Miller than trade him. But even if you trade Miller that still doesn’t justify paying BO as a 1C. 

I agree Bo isn’t a #1 Center he a #2. 8 mill for a very good #2 doesn’t seem like an over payment actually seems on par. 
petey will be paid as the number one and it’ll be over ten mill. Or he won’t be here. 
 

don’t compare miller???? He was signed as a Center he’s been terrible he couldn’t even hold down the number 3 Center spot… ouch. 
they  paid him to be the number two he failed. He’s actually a direct comparison. Even his Career ppg is very similar.

 

Truth is they only have to pay Bo more because they screwed up in the summer and signed the lesser player/person to more money. 

 In the end we will be keeping the lesser player.
 

 


 

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30 minutes ago, shiznak said:

ES ice-time:
Horvat - 575:49 (26th amongst centers)

Pettersson - 514:21 (67th amongst centers)

 

Ice-time against elite competitions.

Horvat - 164:40

Pettersson - 144.10

 

Seem like Bo plays more of a 1C role than Pettersson, if you ask me. Bo is also 11th amongst centers in total ice-time. While Pettersson is 26th.
 

 

Bo is great! Is he popular with the fans? Does he sell tickets?  If yes, then our owner will make sure he’s extended. 

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