DownUndaCanuck Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: This is 100% false information and is the reason why people keep trying to justify wanting to pay Horvat $64 million in total money. Petey is our 1C, he is our best player, he is also our best defensive forward. There is no scenario that Horvat is more valuable than Petey. None. Talk to 32 GM's and they will tell you the same thing. Only on CDC could Horvat ever be more valuable than Petey... All I'll say is, see what happens to this team if/when Bo goes. Petey and Bo fill different needs and do different things for this team, they're both extremely valuable obviously but Bo does more - the stats tell the tale. He takes more faceoffs (and is far better at them), faces more top opposition, scores more goals, is better on special teams and plays more minutes than Petey. I agree that Petey is more important to this franchise going forward, but as we speak, this season, Bo does more. Also, no brainer but he's our captain. I do also agree that 64M is a lot and Bo will likely have a Miller-like dip, but mark my words when we lose Bo, this team is going to fall apart. The biggest thing will be the knock on affect to Petey - suddenly he'll have to face top opposition, play more minutes and take more faceoffs, there'll be a much bigger burden on him and Miller. We can assume Miller won't be up for the task and I worry all that added pressure will be too much for Petey. Miller is basically a LW now so if Bo goes our 2C will be...Lazar. That's why it's important we get a decent center back in any Bo/Boeser deal we make as well. Much of a muchness at the end of the day, Petey and Bo are obviously our two best players but the hole Bo will leave will destroy this team (in the current season, that is). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 We technically could keep Bo as well. But the issue becomes, how do you improve? How do you shake up the locker room? Shift the culture? I think part of the problem right now is that Bo, Petey and Miller are all offensively-calibrated C’s and we have no one suited to excel in a matchup role. I think we’d all rather move Miller but this team needs to try and improve through a trade for a younger piece or two at a position we need (RD) and carve some cap space to find a proper 3C (easier said than done.) Taking a step back also might take the pressure off a bit and let this group rally around a new coach. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 19 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: All I'll say is, see what happens to this team if/when Bo goes. Petey and Bo fill different needs and do different things for this team, they're both extremely valuable obviously but Bo does more - the stats tell the tale. He takes more faceoffs (and is far better at them), faces more top opposition, scores more goals, is better on special teams and plays more minutes than Petey. I agree that Petey is more important to this franchise going forward, but as we speak, this season, Bo does more. Also, no brainer but he's our captain. I do also agree that 64M is a lot and Bo will likely have a Miller-like dip, but mark my words when we lose Bo, this team is going to fall apart. The biggest thing will be the knock on affect to Petey - suddenly he'll have to face top opposition, play more minutes and take more faceoffs, there'll be a much bigger burden on him and Miller. We can assume Miller won't be up for the task and I worry all that added pressure will be too much for Petey. Miller is basically a LW now so if Bo goes our 2C will be...Lazar. That's why it's important we get a decent center back in any Bo/Boeser deal we make as well. Much of a muchness at the end of the day, Petey and Bo are obviously our two best players but the hole Bo will leave will destroy this team (in the current season, that is). You make some good points and I do agree with some of them. However, you take Petey off of this team and the hole we create is far larger than if BO is traded. BO isn't better on special teams than Petey. Petey is our best penalty killer, and he sets up alot of plays on the PP. BO isn't a good penalty killer and he is only good on the PP if he is in the bumper spot. If Petey was traded, this team would fall apart alot more than if BO gets traded. If we can get a 3C that can take faceoffs, is good defensively and can kill penalties then that will take the pressure off of Petey to be the main defensive matchup guy. Then Miller can play as a 2C, much like he did last year. I'm not saying BO isn't valuable, all I'm saying is that Petey is our MVP, how he goes is how the team goes really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Being on pace for 93 points and actually getting 93 points are two different things. Miller ended the year with 99 points. If Horvat actually ends the year with 60 goals and 93 points then we can have a conversation at that time. You don't pay a player $64 million over only a half season of work... Miller We gave this waste 56 million. Now Bo has to go. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 1 hour ago, Gawdzukes said: Complete morons. Buy out Boeser, Miller, Garland, Stillman. My gawd we're doomed! These tools are broke I could see buying out OEL just for the $7mil in space for one year. Short term planners. If management pulls that garbage and ownership doesn't fire the entire group, I'll be looking for a new team to support. Even one of these buyouts is simply not acceptable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Vanderhoek Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: This is probably true. Boston and Detroit make total sense. I'm hoping it is the Rangers, but Boston and Detroit also have nice pieces. Fabian Lysell and Brandon Carlo for Boston and Marco Kasper, Michael Rasmussen, Simon Edvinsson and William Wallinder for Detroit. Detroit will be working on getting Larkin locked up, if they felt they could not secure him I don't see how they would expend assets to trade for a very similar player in the same position. Horvat could make sense in Detroit as a Unrestricted Free Agent signing but not a trade. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, Jayinblack said: Bo's dad Tim told a buddy of mine that he expects Bo to be gone within 3 weeks. Says likely Boston or Detroit. Interesting, as it conflicts with what my Step Aunt's, hairdresser's son's, boss's, cousin said. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BertaNuck Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I feel like Bo is what everyone wanted virtanen to kinda be with maybe a little more physicality 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 13 hours ago, DeNiro said: I wonder if they’d be looking to add to their D more than anything. Maybe something around a Myers for Beauvillier deal makes sense for both sides. They unload an underperforming winger that has kind of fallen out of favour there. We save almost 2 mil and add a younger forward who can help replace the lost depth with Pearson and Boeser likely departing. Beauvillier was drafted as a center, I wonder if we could take a look at him as a third line center. He plays with speed and creativity. Surely he’s an upgrade over Dries there. Kuzmenko Pettersson Mikayev Miller Horvat Boeser Pearson Beauvillier Garland If Beauvillier can play C I would do Garland for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, combover said: Hope he goes to Colorado. It'd be fun to watch but Colorado doesn't have the pieces imo, they moved some of the prospects I'd have been interested in last season when they went for a cup Carolina is a better fit because of their wealth of prospects and young NHL'ers, Detroit has some strong prospects too and their pick would likely be lower to middle of the pack 3 hours ago, ilduce39 said: We technically could keep Bo as well. But the issue becomes, how do you improve? How do you shake up the locker room? Shift the culture? I think part of the problem right now is that Bo, Petey and Miller are all offensively-calibrated C’s and we have no one suited to excel in a matchup role. I think we’d all rather move Miller but this team needs to try and improve through a trade for a younger piece or two at a position we need (RD) and carve some cap space to find a proper 3C (easier said than done.) Taking a step back also might take the pressure off a bit and let this group rally around a new coach. Yes, but I question whether this management has the spines to correct their mistake 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 2 minutes ago, Coconuts said: It'd be fun to watch but Colorado doesn't have the pieces imo, they moved some of the prospects I'd have been interested in last season when they went for a cup Carolina is a better fit because of their wealth of prospects and young NHL'ers, Detroit has some strong prospects too and their pick would likely be lower to middle of the pack Yes, but I question whether this management has the spines to correct their mistake Bo for Byram? Bo for KK + Morrow? Not sure which would be better for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Bo for Byram? Bo for KK + Morrow? Not sure which would be better for us? Byram wouldn't be enough, and I'm not sold on the fact that Colorado wants to move him tbh, they knew what they were doing going into the season without Kadri Colorado's missed Kadri but they're not necessarily where they're at because of his absence, simply put, they've been injured as shit most of the season I think there are better trade partners than Colorado Carolina would have to add, high pick or not KK's stock has almost certainly dropped and he's signed to almost 5M per for a very long time, I'd equate taking him on to taking on a cap dump at this point, although there is a chance he turns it around given how young he is But yeah, given his cap hit and term vs production that's a helluva gamble, a Carolina package involving KK would absolutely need to be more significant Edited January 7 by Coconuts 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 19 minutes ago, Neutral said: If Beauvillier can play C I would do Garland for him Isles probably don’t want Garland though. The point is to unload Myers now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Washington have Backstrom and Wilson finally back in the lineup and they've got some big time winning to do. They have SO much cap coming off the books next season, they can fit in a big contract to help Ovi keep his dream alive. 26M cap coming off the books next year. Sure, they have an entire defence to sign (lol), but Mantha is a guy who has struggled and still signed for another year after this season. Miller for Mantha straight up please. They can give us a pick or prospect if they want but I wouldn't mind. We get a big, strong winger back who needs a change of scenery. Certainly not as good as Miller but at a 5.7M cap hit, we can give the 2.5-3M raise to Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Bo > Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 25 minutes ago, SilentSam said: Bo > Boston. Bo-couver, get that spazz Miller outta here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 5 hours ago, ilduce39 said: We technically could keep Bo as well. But the issue becomes, how do you improve? How do you shake up the locker room? Shift the culture? I think part of the problem right now is that Bo, Petey and Miller are all offensively-calibrated C’s and we have no one suited to excel in a matchup role. I think we’d all rather move Miller but this team needs to try and improve through a trade for a younger piece or two at a position we need (RD) and carve some cap space to find a proper 3C (easier said than done.) Taking a step back also might take the pressure off a bit and let this group rally around a new coach. Yup, we desperately need a legit defense-first 3C that can shut down a game, PK etc and take some of the faceoff load off Bo while letting Pettersson and Horvat focus on creating offense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 To bos: horvat, schenn to van: Carlo, Harrison, lysell, 2023 1st or to NYR: horvat, 3rd pick 2023 to van: lafreniere, chytil, 1st pick 2023 (NYR pick) or to col: horvat to van: girard, newhook, 1st pick 2023 or to tor: horvat 50% retained to van: niemela, Robertson, 1st pick 2023 A couple deals that continue to be debated and dissected, but which deal is the best return for the Canucks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Alflives Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, billabong said: To bos: horvat, schenn to van: Carlo, Harrison, lysell, 2023 1st or to NYR: horvat, 3rd pick 2023 to van: lafreniere, chytil, 1st pick 2023 (NYR pick) or to col: horvat to van: girard, newhook, 1st pick 2023 or to tor: horvat 50% retained to van: niemela, Robertson, 1st pick 2023 A couple deals that continue to be debated and dissected, but which deal is the best return for the Canucks? The Rags One is the best. That’s a deal our owner would accept. The Svs would need to include Byram. Local boy would make our owner happy. The Bruins don’t have anything. Lysol is craperolla. Carlo is big and slow. The Leafs have nothing we want, except Marner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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