wildcam Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 minute ago, wildcam said: Bo Horvát 27, must keep under 7 million... AAV 6.6 -- 6.8 million --- He is worth at least 1.2 --1.4 million less then Miller at AAV 8 million Miller did leave money on table but 8 million is great contract... I like Horvat should always get GP 75-- G 25--28 -- PTS 55 -- 62 over next 4 - 5 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 hour ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: I think us, as fans, need to get used to this with this management group. They're very tight lipped about everything. It'll be some random moment in the next little while where we see Horvat signed. No insider will get ahold of any info before then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -Vintage Canuck- Posted September 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, HKSR said: I think us, as fans, need to get used to this with this management group. They're very tight lipped about everything. It'll be some random moment in the next little while where we see Horvat signed. No insider will get ahold of any info before then. July long weekend: Boeser extension. September long weekend: Miller extension. October long weekend: Horvat extension? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 5 hours ago, SilentSam said: Why sign him if we have time to assess the market til Christmas? Having him as a trade option, leaves an ace up the sleeve for management either way. we’re in a great position actually. if Lou L wanted Miller, he’d settle for Horvat . target Dobson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: July long weekend: Boeser extension. September long weekend: Miller extension. October long weekend: Horvat extension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, SilentSam said: if Lou L wanted Miller, he’d settle for Horvat . target Dobson Except Horvats not going anywhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 "but I’m happy with the defense group we have.” - Patrik Allvin. #Canucks' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 minute ago, gurn said: "but I’m happy with the defense group we have.” - Patrik Allvin. #Canucks' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, no. Translation = "We haven't been able to find any upgrades so far, but should one arise, we'll pull the trigger. Until then we're ok starting this season as is, as our D is "ok". 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryElf Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, gurn said: "but I’m happy with the defense group we have.” - Patrik Allvin. #Canucks' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, no. While personnel-wise it’s not good at all, they were able to majorly outperform once we had a proper defensive system in place. I think we might be in for a surprise with how they’ll play, and plus we have a stalwart in net for support when necessary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Has the fear mongering made its way over to BO yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Not yet, but it does look like the trolls are coming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Just now, gurn said: Not yet, but it does look like the trolls are coming. I'm telling ya gurn, Come January the ship is going to be flooded with people from that side of the fence haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, gurn said: "but I’m happy with the defense group we have.” - Patrik Allvin. #Canucks' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, no. I mean what do you expect him to do? Pull a Luongo and say “my defence sucks”. He obviously has to make them believe they’re a good enough group but he’ll continue to look for upgrades behind the scenes. Edited September 6, 2022 by DeNiro 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby James Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Anything under 7 million per year for Bo is a win I think. If he went to the UFA market I think he could likely get something like 7.5 mil x 7 years from a few teams. So I'm hoping Canucks can lock him in around 6.75 x 8 years. That would be solid and with the cap potentially going up in the future it could result in being a bit of a steal for what he can bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 33 minutes ago, aGENT said: Translation = "We haven't been able to find any upgrades so far, but should one arise, we'll pull the trigger. Until then we're ok starting this season as is, as our D is "ok". In the Poolman thread, PA says he is good to go and will be on the ice at the start of camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, gurn said: "but I’m happy with the defense group we have.” - Patrik Allvin. #Canucks' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh, no. 14 minutes ago, aGENT said: Translation = "We haven't been able to find any upgrades so far, but should one arise, we'll pull the trigger. Until then we're ok starting this season as is, as our D is "ok". I agree with aGENT's assessment We should be mindful too that although there is a glaring hole in the top-4, the team's overall defensive side of the game has been improved in some ways since the start of last year: - Jack Rathbone looked almost NHL ready last off-season, but one of the strongest parts of his game, zone exits, was not quite polished enough and led to his demotion. After the first 0 points in his first 3 AHL games he then put up 40 points in the next 36 games down there. By RJ's assessment his game has been polished quite a bit. Allvin and JR harped on zone exits quite a bit when they first took over, and Rathbone will be superior to anyone who started from 5-8 on the depth chart last year. He's shown previous chemistry with Myers and it wouldn't shock me if they're tried as a 2nd pairing at some point. - Nolan Baumgartner is long gone. Whatever system the players were following under him to start last year was .... very pathetic, if they were following anything at all. We don't know a lot about Cull other than he was a defenseman himself and has coached pretty good regular seasons considering the team lacked high level depth in Utica and Abby. We know Yeo is a NHL-level assistant with lots of experience and should have a lot of tools to rebuild the PK. - The PK. The Canucks landed one of the best PKing forwards in the NHL this off-season in Ilya Mikheyev (not exaggerating), and added a RH center who is also good on the PK in Curtis Lazar - they don't really have that in the toolbox last year. - Hamonic out, Dermott in. I don't know what happened to Travis Hamonic, but it was not good for his hockey. Dermott put up shockingly good numbers in his short Canucks stint (not with extremely difficult deployment, but still). He can also play both sides. If he's put in 3rd pairing role, he'll succeed but his ceiling is still a bit higher. His transition game was an improvement of Hamonic, Poolman, Hunt, Schenn (ily Schenn but you're lucky you play with Hughes in this regard), and all of the injury fill-ins, although Burroughs showed some flashes, it wasn't really what the coach asked of him. - No Halak. Although Halak didn't have a major role on the team, this was a team a FEW GAMES out of a playoff spot, and he was the only goalie with a losing record, going 4-7-2. A 6-4-3 record would've meant a playoff spot last year, and Spencer Martin looks poised to hit #s in that range. - If de Haan fills out the remaining cap space, that's another depth improvement. The Canucks badly need another top-4 defenseman to be considered a solid cup contender, and they could also use a one more bluechip waiver exempt player so they can have more tools to find solid pairings. But to be a playoff contender? It's pretty close at this point IMO. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, Bobby James said: Anything under 7 million per year for Bo is a win I think. If he went to the UFA market I think he could likely get something like 7.5 mil x 7 years from a few teams. So I'm hoping Canucks can lock him in around 6.75 x 8 years. That would be solid and with the cap potentially going up in the future it could result in being a bit of a steal for what he can bring. I think market value for him is around 6.5. Anything under 6 I would see as a " I wanna win a cup" discount similar to Miller. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted September 6, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Muttley said: Optimism Limited with Canucks GM Allvin on Bo Horvat Contract September 6, 2022 By Rob Simpson Vancouver Canucks General Manager Patrik Allvin. In his first nine months at the helm, Canucks General Manager Patrik Allvin has been relatively forthcoming compared to most in his position, whether on purpose or by accident. Either he took “keep your mouth shut” management training over the summer or he’s genuinely neutral on the club’s contract negotiations with captain Bo Horvat. The point of his Tuesday morning media meeting was to discuss the signing of JT Miller last week, but we didn’t really learn anything VHN hadn’t reported last Friday. To rehash it would be to rehash it. In summary, Miller’s excited, the negotiations came together and to fruition in a burst of discussions over a 48-hour period last week, and the Canucks are glad to have him. One note, VHN asked of Miller’s no-trade clause that kicks in with his new contract next summer, and whether or not the club back-timed it to include the final year of his present contract. Allvin said no, but there is every intention of keeping Miller around for the long term. Makes sense, it would be a betrayal and public relations suicide to move the club’s leading scorer at this point. Call it a technicality. Who knows, if things go south for the team this season, maybe they contemplate something at the trade deadline, but that’s a whopping ‘if’. As for Horvat negotiations, the next major event on the agenda to avoid distraction this season and to prepare ahead with financials in place for next summer’s free agent and salary cap season, Allvin repeated himself when answering three different questions and being approached from the angle of ‘importance’ and ‘optimism’ in getting the deal done before training camp or the start of the season. “We still continue to talk here and as I said we have a lot of respect for Bo, Bo is our captain here and he’s been a good player for his stint in Vancouver,” Allvin said. “Hopefully we can figure something out here.” Horvat’s agent Pat Morris was less than forthcoming last week as well, indicating it’s not his policy to speak of contract negotiations as a matter of player privacy. He was not necessarily moved by the club’s enthusiasm for their captain and his long-term future following the end of last season. Talks have been active. The media is ridiculous. They just love to get fans worried and worked up over nothing. The ink has barely dried on the Miller deal that the media said would never happen, and they’ve already moved on to creating anxiety over getting Bo signed. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Bo likes it here as Miller so I am sure they will sit down and come to an agreement for Bo to resign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Goal:thecup said: In the Poolman thread, PA says he is good to go and will be on the ice at the start of camp. Yeah, he'd be part of that "ok" group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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