Kevin Epp Dropping "Truth" Bombs???

[Shirotashi]

13 hours ago, bad alice french said:

I totally, 100% agree with this man.

Vancouver fans are over the top aggressive and over reactive. Players must hate the fans the way we turn our backs on them when times get tough. Anyone who argues this is on glue. 

Media... if that's what you want to call these hams that write on the internet nowadays are brutal for drumming up stories for the sake of hype etc. Too many lies and inaccuracies and they all just get away with it. I get it, that's their job but it still doesn't make it right or excuse them for exaggerating and making up stories. Word gets out around the league about how fair-weather the fans can be here and how difficult it is to play here when you're not winning. If this keep up we will never be able to sign high calibre players.

Petey probably hates it here by now after all the $&!# that's been thrown at him this year. 

How can anyone deny this negativity online doesn't affect the players?

Ridiculous. Donnie should be ashamed for acting so ignorant after Epp answered straight up that the media can affect players' performance. As if some reporter knows better than an agent. But of course Donnie says "agree to disagree" when the agent tells him straight up that "yes, They hear all this and it makes it tougher on the team and management." Media are idiots.

How can the OP defend these clowns?

Crazy
 

Vancouver fans ARE NOT an exception to other fan bases are you high? What it gods name are you suggesting

here that when all things in the past decade meshed with the current climate are considered you dont think its 

understandable that the fanbase is like this? How are we different than other fanbases when you consider all things

logically? HOW? Is it something in our water out here thats makes all of us quicker to get irate than other cities?

 

Like what are YOU suggesting the reasons are? 

I have lived in Calgary and in southern Ontario and brother the markets where calling for heads EXACTLY 

like we are so WTF are YOU saying? 

 

I think in 2+ seasons we have had something like what is now 28? Regulation wins?

Brother IM STILL watching so im still on the wagon what more as a player can you ask for?

 

Asking people to not react negative to negative things they see is crazy talk if people blow smoke

up your azz all your life you get nowhere why do pro athletes expect different? 

I listen to the post game show every single win or loss.. I dont really hear anyone saying they are 

giving up on the canucks and as a player thats all you can ask for. 

 

 

[Elias Pettersson]

11 minutes ago, Shirotashi said:

Vancouver fans ARE NOT an exception to other fan bases are you high? What it gods name are you suggesting

here that when all things in the past decade meshed with the current climate are considered you dont think its 

understandable that the fanbase is like this? How are we different than other fanbases when you consider all things

logically? HOW? Is it something in our water out here thats makes all of us quicker to get irate than other cities?

 

Like what are YOU suggesting the reasons are? 

I have lived in Calgary and in southern Ontario and brother the markets where calling for heads EXACTLY 

like we are so WTF are YOU saying? 

 

I think in 2+ seasons we have had something like what is now 28? Regulation wins?

Brother IM STILL watching so im still on the wagon what more as a player can you ask for?

 

Asking people to not react negative to negative things they see is crazy talk if people blow smoke

up your azz all your life you get nowhere why do pro athletes expect different? 

I listen to the post game show every single win or loss.. I dont really hear anyone saying they are 

giving up on the canucks and as a player thats all you can ask for. 

 

 

It’s one thing to be critical and negative and ask for people to be fired. It’s quite different when the media makes up bullsh*t stories to sell papers and get more clicks. 
 

Where is the evidence that Quinn Hughes was taking IV fluids for COVID?  Where is evidence that Miller and Horvat are fighting it out and that the dressing room is split up?  Where is the evidence that Miller is on the trade block and so is Boeser?  Where is the evidence that the Aquilini family is fighting it out like Don and Michael Corleone?

 

Are we just supposed to believe the media that this is all true with zero evidence so that the team is looked at in a more negative light so these so called journalists can sell more papers?

[canuckleheads fan]

As I see it, Mr. Epp needs to educate himself.  The media runs on clicks and eyeballs.  Back in the day, if you were a columnist at a newspaper, your performance was rated based on how many newspapers sold.  It was a team sport, and your bosses had no idea how many people read your writing.  Nowadays, your employer can see exactly how many people clicked on your column or article, and how long they stayed.  We also know that negativity drives clicks.  If the Canucks were playing .600 hockey and in the playoff hunt, I doubt many would be seeking out stories about how Travis' creative line matching is leading to one of the lowest GAA in the league, or how great a job Bo doing in leading the team, or how well Petey has recovered from his wrist injury.  But you write negative headlines, you write that somebody's on the trading block or a coaching candidate is in town, and your clicks go through the roof.  Studies show over and over how negative news coverage drives clicks on Facebook and other social media, the same is true throughout the regular media as well.  The more negative the story the greater the clicks.  Add to that the fact that every idiot with a keyboard or a phone now thinks they're an NHL caliber coach or GM because they won their office hockey pool two years ago, or because they killed it on NHL 2010, and these days people are more willing than ever to share their opinion with the world at the top of their lungs, no matter how stupid and misinformed.  Better yet, if they're the 5% of people who actually call talk radio shows, the host will foster that opinion to drive calls so he has less time to kill. 

 

Ultimately, this is a very passionate fan base.  Every fan base in Canada is passionate.  In Canadian cities where hockey is the ONLY game in town this time of year, you as a professional hockey player are under a microscope, get used to the new reality, because we're living in it.  

Edited December 2, 2021 by canuckleheads fan

[butters]

29 minutes ago, canuckleheads fan said:

 

 

Ultimately, this is a very passionate fan base.  Every fan base in Canada is passionate.  In Canadian cities where hockey is the ONLY game in town this time of year, you as a professional hockey player are under a microscope, get used to the new reality, because we're living in it.  

-or- go play in the states, avoid the hassle and live a life outside of the fishbowl.

[Provost]

18 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Let's not act like Kevin Epp is the first and only guy that's talked about this.  

 

Kevin Bieksa has echoed the same sentiment.  

 

Friedman has echoed the same sentiment.  

 

Bieksa has said repeatedly that Vancouver is the best place to play when things are going well and tough to play in when they are losing.

 

He has said it as a positive about playing in a Canadian market.  Not whining about how the media is making teams lose.

 

Taylor is probably the best in the business out here, good for him for pushing back.

 

The nonsense arguments from the agent about St. Louis and Toronto were dumb to bring up.  We have been a terrible team for almost a decade, it isn’t a little slump.

 

Each NHL player is different, some want the positives that go with the negatives, same as some movie stars do it for the limelight and some don’t.

Edited December 2, 2021 by Provost

[tas]

1 hour ago, Shirotashi said:

Vancouver fans ARE NOT an exception to other fan bases are you high? What it gods name are you suggesting

here that when all things in the past decade meshed with the current climate are considered you dont think its 

understandable that the fanbase is like this? How are we different than other fanbases when you consider all things

logically? HOW? Is it something in our water out here thats makes all of us quicker to get irate than other cities?

 

Like what are YOU suggesting the reasons are? 

I have lived in Calgary and in southern Ontario and brother the markets where calling for heads EXACTLY 

like we are so WTF are YOU saying? 

 

I think in 2+ seasons we have had something like what is now 28? Regulation wins?

Brother IM STILL watching so im still on the wagon what more as a player can you ask for?

 

Asking people to not react negative to negative things they see is crazy talk if people blow smoke

up your azz all your life you get nowhere why do pro athletes expect different? 

I listen to the post game show every single win or loss.. I dont really hear anyone saying they are 

giving up on the canucks and as a player thats all you can ask for. 

 

 

kevin epp currently has clients playing in 13 different cities, and he himself is based out of vancouver. you don't think he might have some perspective on how things work in different markets vs vancouver?

 

hint: you don't know better than him. 

[Shirotashi]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It’s one thing to be critical and negative and ask for people to be fired. It’s quite different when the media makes up bullsh*t stories to sell papers and get more clicks. 
 

Where is the evidence that Quinn Hughes was taking IV fluids for COVID?  Where is evidence that Miller and Horvat are fighting it out and that the dressing room is split up?  Where is the evidence that Miller is on the trade block and so is Boeser?  Where is the evidence that the Aquilini family is fighting it out like Don and Michael Corleone?

 

Are we just supposed to believe the media that this is all true with zero evidence so that the team is looked at in a more negative light so these so called journalists can sell more papers?

Where is the evidence that anyone even cared or asked about those details? Its typical media overreach media

asking questions out of a desire to stir things up. Its not the beating pulse of the heart of the fanbase tho either.

 

 

 

[tas]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

It’s one thing to be critical and negative and ask for people to be fired. It’s quite different when the media makes up bullsh*t stories to sell papers and get more clicks. 
 

Where is the evidence that Quinn Hughes was taking IV fluids for COVID?  Where is evidence that Miller and Horvat are fighting it out and that the dressing room is split up?  Where is the evidence that Miller is on the trade block and so is Boeser?  Where is the evidence that the Aquilini family is fighting it out like Don and Michael Corleone?

 

Are we just supposed to believe the media that this is all true with zero evidence so that the team is looked at in a more negative light so these so called journalists can sell more papers?

but ... michael WAS don ...

[PhillipBlunt]

Just now, tas said:

but ... michael WAS don ...

[Shirotashi]

15 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Our media has been horrible since forever.  One of the worst ever was Tony Gallagher.  He made stuff up on a daily basis. 

 

Hughes needing an IV because of COVID.  The Aquilini brothers are fighting it out.  Bo and Miller are at each other's throats.  We know this is all bs.  

 

If the team sucks then report it.  If the team plays well then report it.  But the lies and making up stories to suit a narrative and sell more papers or get more clicks is dead wrong.

Well the team is what it is, annnnnddddd they are reporting it, its just certain "parties" arent loving it.

Curious how ALOT of people are talking about it though.... wait?

[wallstreetamigo]

3 hours ago, IBatch said:

Maybe instead - just listen to the interview, and consider what he's saying is the actual truth.   Can't do that though because that would make you, and a lot of other people on this site that have committed to trashing management, coaching and players wrong.   I get the displeasure and venting don't see you as a fan who isn't in that category.  But for sure see a lot of  posters that have bought into fire everyone and everything else.   It's not that simple unfortunately.   Green is handling EP properly, limiting his minutes but not embarrassing him with a benching like some other NHL coaches would have done already.    How many times has he brought up its a confidence issue?  Still barely adults.    I think this is one of the best interviews i've seen posted on this site the last two years.   And 100% agree with him.  

So you really believe that no one wants to come to Van because of the media and fans? Because the agent for a guy who specifically requested Van as one of two places he wanted to be traded and a guy who was a UFA and could have gone anywhere but chose Van says it months later?

 

Players don’t pay as much attention to the media and fans as you think. I know a ton of current and former nhl players, coaches, and front office people. I don’t think I have ever heard one say to me anything other than the media and fans can be annoying but it’s part of the job that they just have to deal with.

 

He sounds like a guy who is pissy because Hamonic had to rightly deal with criticism for screwing the team over.

[appleboy]

Fifty plus years without a cup and an ownership who just don't understand the importance of winning one. 

 

This city has a strong fan base but are tired of short term agenda.

 

Cup or nothing.  

 

Put a cup contender on the ice and you will find out what kind of fans this city has.

[dougieL]

Apathy is probably the worst enemy of the media, so they'd rather fuel anger in times like these. There are some members of the media here that are hyperbolic, Drance and Lalji probably being the most so. I love this team, and want them to win for their own sake, but wouldn't it be sweet for the Canucks to go on a run to prove these guys wrong?

[Mustard Tiger]

No chit its a rough place to play when we are losing... The west coast in general house the most entitled people in the world. Everyone has gone soo far over the edge they seem to think they are entitled to having a winning hockey team or they just slam everyone connected to it till they want out. Nobody forcing you to be a fan of this sports entertainment franchise lol.

Maybe once all these oldtimers clocks stop ticking we will have a much less toxic city to play in. Majority of the younger fans i know just stop paying much attention when the going gets tough. The older crowd seem to be the ones who feel the need to voice their negativity to no end. Oh well different era, Different ways of thinking i guess 

[ABNucksfan]

9 hours ago, Shayster007 said:

I sincerely wish the media would stop giving Epp air time. What's even worse, is when I then have to see his crappy interviews being shared on here. This guy seems like a big cry baby and after his last interview on D and D I decided I would not subject myself to his drivel any further. Didn't listen to this interview, and have zero intension on doing so.

Im glad they aired it… it’s all part of the drama. If the Canucks aren’t winning we might as well have a days of our lives drama unfolding that way we can laugh and be entertained at something. 
 

Epp is basically a criminal… Most player agents are. They are leaches sucking off of players and in turn causing ticket prices to go up. Too bad owners are greedy leaches as well making the players not trust them and needing an agent.

 

Sounds like a bunch of millionaires pouting about receiving negative press when they are paid millions to be in the public spotlight.

 

Agree though on not getting personal about the team… we pay to see them play and play well for that matter so we are fully entitled to scrutinize the product on the ice. Personal lives should be off limits. 

 

 

[vannuck59]

So blame it on the Fans and the media for un preforming millionaires cry me a river . Sorry, if you have a good preforming team everything's rosy the media are happy the fans are happy the owners are happy even the guy who parks the cars is happy. But start loosing and even the wife is unhappy . If you what Shangri-La start winning, but that key is held by the GM ( no pressure ) He in his wisdom puts the team together. Constructs a winning team built with winning players. The coach must be able to handle winning, harder to win easier to lose. If the GM has the right eye for talent and the coach has the right system the team will be successful. So Jim and Travis are you winners are you made of the right stuff ? 

[tas]

35 minutes ago, ABNucksfan said:

Im glad they aired it… it’s all part of the drama. If the Canucks aren’t winning we might as well have a days of our lives drama unfolding that way we can laugh and be entertained at something. 
 

Epp is basically a criminal… Most player agents are. They are leaches sucking off of players and in turn causing ticket prices to go up. Too bad owners are greedy leaches as well making the players not trust them and needing an agent.

 

Sounds like a bunch of millionaires pouting about receiving negative press when they are paid millions to be in the public spotlight.

 

Agree though on not getting personal about the team… we pay to see them play and play well for that matter so we are fully entitled to scrutinize the product on the ice. Personal lives should be off limits. 

 

 

you're selling agents really short, as most people do.

 

these guys become close friends, allies, confidants, aides -- you name it, often from the time the players are 16 years old. they make so much happen for their clients, handle so many logistics, inconveniences, and many tasks these guys just aren't prepared for. draft stuff, handling scouts and media, charity stuff, financial things, finding places to live, paperwork, sponsorships, and so much more.

 

player agents are invaluable to their clients. 

[fanfor42]

The Vancouver media is full of wannabees in a small market trying to promote themselves in the hopes of moving to a bigger market.

 

That is it.

 

Their efforts to promote themselves lead to click bait and negative takes and controversial positions.

 

In the end they are just negative little men in a small market who don't accomplish much accept creating a negative environment for the players.

 

Truth.

 

Wanna see top stand up comedians go to New York or LA.  Wanna see wannabees go to local Vancouver clubs.  Same thing applies to the media. Local hacks with limited talent trying to self promote - that is why we have such a negative local media experience.

 

 

 

 

[bad alice french]

4 hours ago, Shirotashi said:

Vancouver fans ARE NOT an exception to other fan bases are you high? What it gods name are you suggesting

here that when all things in the past decade meshed with the current climate are considered you dont think its 

understandable that the fanbase is like this? How are we different than other fanbases when you consider all things

logically? HOW? Is it something in our water out here thats makes all of us quicker to get irate than other cities?

 

Like what are YOU suggesting the reasons are? 

I have lived in Calgary and in southern Ontario and brother the markets where calling for heads EXACTLY 

like we are so WTF are YOU saying? 

 

I think in 2+ seasons we have had something like what is now 28? Regulation wins?

Brother IM STILL watching so im still on the wagon what more as a player can you ask for?

 

Asking people to not react negative to negative things they see is crazy talk if people blow smoke

up your azz all your life you get nowhere why do pro athletes expect different? 

I listen to the post game show every single win or loss.. I dont really hear anyone saying they are 

giving up on the canucks and as a player thats all you can ask for. 

 

 

I'm just agreeing with what the agent said and you thought he was out of line.

Dragging the fans into it was an over generalization that I'm prone to make at times.

Still, your post suggested, to me anyhow, that you thought the agent was out to lunch and that the media have every right to write whatever they choose to write even if it's soft rumours or outright lies. Epp was asked point blank if he believes it affects the mindset and indirectly the players ability to perform with confidence and comfort, to which he replied" 1000% yes it does have a negative affect on players and management" then Taylor says " Ok then we agree to disagree" FFS Taylor doesn't know these people personally and if the agent says the media's lies has a negative affect on players, then I believe him more than the media and more than you.

[flat land fish]

2 hours ago, appleboy said:

Fifty plus years without a cup and an ownership who just don't understand the importance of winning one. 

 

This city has a strong fan base but are tired of short term agenda.

 

Cup or nothing.  

 

Put a cup contender on the ice and you will find out what kind of fans this city has.

You are projecting your opinion.  The casual fan sees only wins and losses not short term or long term rebuild strategies