Kevin Epp Dropping "Truth" Bombs???

[Provost]

6 minutes ago, spook007 said:

 

Water is wet, sky is blue and agents work in their clients best interest.....However,.....

I think we can all agree that some are professionals and some are plain slime balls...

 

Not disagreeing with your post though.

 

Well apparently not everyone here believes any of those things 

I actually had a bunch of NHLers at my house (now a long time ago) shortly after winning a Cup.  They were all Canadian and all loved playing in California.  It was a perfect mix of having great fans unlike a place like Arizona, but also being basically anonymous once they got two blocks away from the rink.  They got to appreciate the attention because it wasn't always there.

Being in a position to win, family considerations, and getting ice time were way more important than what city they played in... they were all used to switching teams regularly all the way back to midget days.  One moved back to Canada after they had kids so it was easier for family to come help/visit.  No one mentioned media as an issue at all, I think they all have a pretty healthy disdain for all media and really just care about the guys in the locker room.

[spook007]

Just now, Provost said:

Well apparently not everyone here believes any of those things 

I actually had a bunch of NHLers at my house (now a long time ago) shortly after winning a Cup.  They were all Canadian and all loved playing in California.  It was a perfect mix of having great fans unlike a place like Arizona, but also being basically anonymous once they got two blocks away from the rink.  They got to appreciate the attention because it wasn't always there.

Being in a position to win, family considerations, and getting ice time were way more important than what city they played in... they were all used to switching teams regularly all the way back to midget days.  One moved back to Canada after they had kids so it was easier for family to come help/visit.  No one mentioned media as an issue at all, I think they all have a pretty healthy disdain for all media and really just care about the guys in the locker room.

Without doubt they will learn fairly quickly, either by being advised, but most likely by the hard way, to drop social media and forget about the media in general...

I can imagine younger players maybe feeling it hard, but I'm sure older players learn to not read too much into it at all.... Unless they are winning

 

I can easily understand, why hockey players would love to play in a market without too much focus on them, once they are away from the rink. Again when they are younger its probably cool to be recognised, but as they grow older and during times, where things aren't going according to plan, most would rather be able to move around incognito.......

I think...

[kanucks25]

First of all, lol @ taking an agent at face value.

 

Second, after listening to the interview I think there are valid points on both sides.

 

It's definitely more difficult to play in a fishbowl market. Not everyone is equipped to handle the pressure and scrutiny. The media knows negativity and controversy sells so things can be blown out of proportion sometimes. For example, that Drance tweet about Miller yelling in practice "we don't know what we're doing" was 100% misleading.

 

But IMO the media and general market negativity is a symptom of a bad sports team, not the cause. Frankly, the notion that it is the cause is quite laughable. It doesn't help, it definitely snowballs things, but it's not the root problem.

 

Put some adults in charge, fix the organization, and the rest will take care of itself.

[tas]

1 hour ago, Provost said:

Hint:  Agents have a specific agenda when they do interviews and it doesn’t have anything to do with telling the truth.

his agenda is to get the multitudes of loudmouth morons in the Vancouver market to get a clue for the sake of his clients' mental health. 

[PhillipBlunt]

12 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

It's a two way street.  

 

Media shouldn't get their underwear in a bunch over it.  Especially Jeff Patterson who nearly had a seizure over this interview lol 

Patterson got upset because the things Epp said cut a little to close to home for him. Same with clowns like Sekeres and Price. Twitter clowns like Drance, Wagner, Sas and others were equally vexed because it exposed them for the clowns they are. 

 

The types mentioned above always coat their "analysis" in conjecture and heresay, with Sekeres being a fabricator of outright lies. 

 

Certainly the team, coaching, and management are ripe for being criticized. There is no doubt about that. However, the way some of the media go about their criticism has more to do with their need for traffic to their site, and has nothing to do with actually reporting on the team. Reporters like Kuzma and MacIntyre actually publish well written articles that still levy deserved criticism on the organization without being petty and self-centered about it.

 

This isn't really surprising though considering how small the Vancouver media is in comparison to other actual major cities, of which Vancouver is not. When a city only has one major sports team of note, and a smaller population, this myopic approach is the outcome. 

[MikeyD]

I don't even think the media is that bad. They speculate, sure. But it's their job to create conversation so speculation is obviously going to happen. It's pretty rare that media actually really crosses the line much. This market could be much, much worse. At the end of the day the team still has a huge dedicated fanbase and that should inspire the players alone. When a team is showing such a severe lack of professionalism for as big a portion of the season, they earn their criticism. Many players were playing extremely uninspired, going through the motions on the ice. 

 

The last thing a team needs during that tenure is freedom to continue performing that way. Otherwise you end up with teams like Arizona. 

 

Is the media unfair sometimes? Absolutely. But they're also unrealistic sometimes when the team is doing well and aren't critical of the areas they should be when the team is rolling as well. Remember when they created excuse after excuse for the team playing like trash last year? Or kept hyping up Green as a fantastic coach despite having the goaltender having the be the best player for the team to win? 

 

If the players are investing that much into the media, then they're not being professional enough. Any celebrity status position understands you need to learn how to block the nonsense out. They're paid to. 

[Gawdzukes]

13 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Didn't go over my head at all, I just actually found that Kevin Epp was being reasonable and bringing up valid points.  The only people butthurt over this were Don Taylor and Jeff Patterson.  

 

1040's old guard that's actually going out of style.  Listen, I loved Donnie back in the Sports Page days, but those days are behind him and he's a shell of his former self. I've given Donnie and Dhali at least 20 hours of my life, and I stand by that statement. 

How @Shirotashi found him to be irate I can't imagine. He was completely level-headed and responding to the question's asked of him. He never raised his voice or got argumentative. I guess maybe he took issue with him telling the truth. If anyone was irate it was Taylor with his agree to disagree comment. I mean what an absolutely stupid statement. Asks a guy a question, to which he has no purview, and then disagrees immediately with his answer. That's closed minded biased broadcasting at it's finest. How anyone could disagree with the crap welcome OEL got I don't know.

 

I recall Epp's statements regarding champion cities having the media behind their team and it couldn't be more true. It's the other cities jobs to crucify our team and rip them apart and our media's job to support the team ... but the Canucks hometown media mainly fulfils the negative media role, and little of the positive. It's like family, you may fight vehemently behind doors but when you are out in the world it's all for one and one for all. Even fat old uncle Ray, you may disagree with having Chinese food every single get together but you still make the best of it and don't complain for 8 hours straight and ruin it for everybody else.

 

I'm big into the NFL and people should see the difference there. Teams in the bottom suck horribly but every week articles come out focused on stuff like the new looks at practice, the line-up, young players potentials, the clean slate and next game opportunity ahead. It's a good day there, it's not pitchforks all the time. They're still proud (representing) of their team. You can look at most things in life positively or negatively. Especially stuff like this that's simply there for entertainment. I mean what is the point in being a fan if you're continually upset? Fans and media in the NFL have been around long enough to understand that losing is a huge part of sports and it's how you handle that which is the most rewarding part.

 

I guess part of the problem is that we've created a culture where complaining about everything and bashing your own flaws is more rewarding than being part of a family and working towards a common goal and any success that comes with that. Maybe they think there must be a reward if one simply complains enough. In the end it's each to their own. I for one can't understand these people getting paid to be giant ass wipes, or who is ultimately paying them, or eating up this garbage. Overall it's pretty sad and crappy as a Canucks fan.

[IBatch]

28 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said:

How @Shirotashi found him to be irate I can't imagine. He was completely level-headed and responding to the question's asked of him. He never raised his voice or got argumentative. I guess maybe he took issue with him telling the truth. If anyone was irate it was Taylor with his agree to disagree comment. I mean what an absolutely stupid statement. Asks a guy a question, to which he has no purview, and then disagrees immediately with his answer. That's closed minded biased broadcasting at it's finest. How anyone could disagree with the crap welcome OEL got I don't know.

 

I recall Epp's statements regarding champion cities having the media behind their team and it couldn't be more true. It's the other cities jobs to crucify our team and rip them apart and our media's job to support the team ... but the Canucks hometown media mainly fulfils the negative media role, and little of the positive. It's like family, you may fight vehemently behind doors but when you are out in the world it's all for one and one for all. Even fat old uncle Ray, you may disagree with having Chinese food every single get together but you still make the best of it and don't complain for 8 hours straight and ruin it for everybody else.

 

I'm big into the NFL and people should see the difference there. Teams in the bottom suck horribly but every week articles come out focused on stuff like the new looks at practice, the line-up, young players potentials, the clean slate and next game opportunity ahead. It's a good day there, it's not pitchforks all the time. They're still proud (representing) of their team. You can look at most things in life positively or negatively. Especially stuff like this that's simply there for entertainment. I mean what is the point in being a fan if you're continually upset? Fans and media in the NFL have been around long enough to understand that losing is a huge part of sports and it's how you handle that which is the most rewarding part.

 

I guess part of the problem is that we've created a culture where complaining about everything and bashing your own flaws is more rewarding than being part of a family and working towards a common goal and any success that comes with that. Maybe they think there must be a reward if one simply complains enough. In the end it's each to their own. I for one can't understand these people getting paid to be giant ass wipes, or who is ultimately paying them, or eating up this garbage. Overall it's pretty sad and crappy as a Canucks fan.

Agree to agree lol.   We are all stakeholders in this.  I can only imagine that if we all had their backs as soon as they dawned our sweaters that they'd feel supported.   Try and work in a toxic environment and then come on this site and say things like "garbage this garbage that, fire this fire fire".     Or grow up in a family that doesn't have your back too.   Believe it or not, what we say does matter,  and as a fan we do have a stakeholder responsibility to call each other out when a line is crossed and to act responsibly.   I have read on here a lot of fans that seem to get that but also are overly harsh at the same time.   So believe that there is a basic level of understanding.    The loudest voices usually are the ones people hear unfortunately.    Just start screaming  at the arena and before you know it, everyone around you is too.  Be careful what your screaming about.  

[Shirotashi]

3 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

How @Shirotashi found him to be irate I can't imagine. He was completely level-headed and responding to the question's asked of him. He never raised his voice or got argumentative. I guess maybe he took issue with him telling the truth. If anyone was irate it was Taylor with his agree to disagree comment. I mean what an absolutely stupid statement. Asks a guy a question, to which he has no purview, and then disagrees immediately with his answer. That's closed minded biased broadcasting at it's finest. How anyone could disagree with the crap welcome OEL got I don't know.

 

I recall Epp's statements regarding champion cities having the media behind their team and it couldn't be more true. It's the other cities jobs to crucify our team and rip them apart and our media's job to support the team ... but the Canucks hometown media mainly fulfils the negative media role, and little of the positive. It's like family, you may fight vehemently behind doors but when you are out in the world it's all for one and one for all. Even fat old uncle Ray, you may disagree with having Chinese food every single get together but you still make the best of it and don't complain for 8 hours straight and ruin it for everybody else.

 

I'm big into the NFL and people should see the difference there. Teams in the bottom suck horribly but every week articles come out focused on stuff like the new looks at practice, the line-up, young players potentials, the clean slate and next game opportunity ahead. It's a good day there, it's not pitchforks all the time. They're still proud (representing) of their team. You can look at most things in life positively or negatively. Especially stuff like this that's simply there for entertainment. I mean what is the point in being a fan if you're continually upset? Fans and media in the NFL have been around long enough to understand that losing is a huge part of sports and it's how you handle that which is the most rewarding part.

 

I guess part of the problem is that we've created a culture where complaining about everything and bashing your own flaws is more rewarding than being part of a family and working towards a common goal and any success that comes with that. Maybe they think there must be a reward if one simply complains enough. In the end it's each to their own. I for one can't understand these people getting paid to be giant ass wipes, or who is ultimately paying them, or eating up this garbage. Overall it's pretty sad and crappy as a Canucks fan.

I honestly dont want to with you because your so hard in the opposite with your logic I struggle to see the point. 

Agree to disagree I guess:

 

Do you know what the media even is bro? Its SUPPOSED to be a source of truthful information regarding 

team. It is the job of the organization to create or affect spin NOT the media. Like what markets are you talking

about that the media is THAT rosey in the middle of a historically bad slide where they are the laughing

stock of the league? Please tell me. 

 

Your big into the NFL? Who do you watch the Patriots? Ever spend time in say Clevland orrrr Buffalo like right

after they lost the superbowl for like the 3rd time? Markets are not an apples to apples comparison. Up in here

acting like Kyle Dubas has never had to fear for his job. His situation IS WAY better and yet his job is on the line

every. single. year. for the last 3 years.  

 

Im sorry man I dont agree that:

1. Our fans have been THAT egregious with the negativity. 

2. Other markets IN THE SAME situation would be different. 

3.  That categorically NFL has angelic fans that never do things like complain

when the team is losing or demand person X or Y get fired. Did you want me to prove

that wrong for you or are you afraid of getting dunked on super hard? 

 

Edited December 4, 2021 by Shirotashi

[Shirotashi]

Havent heard rogers like this in a while huh... that's weird this IS the NFL... sooo... yeah.

 

Edited December 4, 2021 by Shirotashi

[Shirotashi]

 

 

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[Mustard Tiger]

15 hours ago, RU SERIOUS said:

You mean "The Millenials" stop paying much attention when the going gets tough?  The ones that grew up getting "participation trophies" and kudos just for showing up or doing something!    OMG ! May God have mercy on your generation!  

Amen!

 

 

Guess we found one of the ol' grumps

[Shirotashi]

This is the NBA...

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/fire-nagy-chants-erupt-at-bulls-game/1p7wbxsfbqc981rcxhyuuj5l4g

When was rogers last heard chanting to fire a coach? Fire Gillis yeah 

but a coach? Hmmmmmm

Edited December 4, 2021 by Shirotashi

[Gawdzukes]

1 hour ago, Shirotashi said:

I honestly dont want to with you because your so hard in the opposite with your logic I struggle to see the point. 

Agree to disagree I guess:

 

Do you know what the media even is bro? Its SUPPOSED to be a source of truthful information regarding 

team. It is the job of the organization to create or affect spin NOT the media. Like what markets are you talking

about that the media is THAT rosey in the middle of a historically bad slide where they are the laughing

stock of the league? Please tell me. 

 

Your big into the NFL? Who do you watch the Patriots? Ever spend time in say Clevland orrrr Buffalo like right

after they lost the superbowl for like the 3rd time? Markets are not an apples to apples comparison. Up in here

acting like Kyle Dubas has never had to fear for his job. His situation IS WAY better and yet his job is on the line

every. single. year. for the last 3 years.  

 

Im sorry man I dont agree that:

1. Our fans have been THAT egregious with the negativity. 

2. Other markets IN THE SAME situation would be different. 

3.  That categorically NFL has angelic fans that never do things like complain

when the team is losing or demand person X or Y get fired. Did you want me to prove

that wrong for you or are you afraid of getting dunked on super hard? 

 

Yeah we obviously disagree so no need to argue further but I bet we would agree on the finer points if we looked at it further. Maybe not lol. Your format came out all weird so it's hard to answer but I'll try.

 

I agree the media is supposed top be truthful but outright lies/speculation over and over again from Aquilini's involvement, to the locker room lies, to the Quinn IV fabrications, and anything and everything beyond are just that, and don't do any good. They paint the worst picture imaginable at every turn. A city doesn't have to hate their own team, that's definitely not the job of the media. I guess if people get off on this self congratulatory finger pointing than you're right they're doing they're job here. That's pathetic though and a city shouldn't have to feel like that. That is reserved for when a city hits rock bottom, like Cleveland/Baltimore/etc.(haha) did.

 

I'm traditionally (1980ish) a Steelers fan but I like following the NFL in general. Bills fan (actually 4th straight time ... ouch ... lol), Chiefs, Football Team, Vikings, and Jacksonville. What about the Bears, Dolphins, Texans, Seahawks. Are they dive-bombing off a short cliff? Really though I like fantasy football and betting so I I know and watch every team and scrap of info I possibly can.

 

That is how I know that the NFL media is more interested in looking at the positives instead of focusing on the negative. It makes for way better TV and viewership satisfaction. Like the NFL fans most Canuck fans are smart and don't need 20 articles on the PK, PP, Green, and JB, to know they suck, exactly how they suck, and how Sekeras knows this. It's just more useful to focus on positive things, like enjoying cheering for and watching your favorite teams, in whatever capacity you can.

 

I liken it to English futbol. By the time the game starts every person in the city is whipped into a frenzy chanting about how they're bringing Man U to there knees (usually doesn't happen) whereas in Vancouver they're concerned about coming up with nicknames like Benning and insulting the team to the bitter end, and then patting themselves on the back for smelling garbage out. I guess both viewpoints can lead to the same end but one is enjoyable and the other isn't. The reality is there are about 8 teams that are good (capable of winning) and 24 that aren't. If you're disappointed and mad about that 75% of the time then you're doing sports completely wrong. 

 

You can post your videos of NFL fans booing it doesn't change the fact that when I watch local NFL broadcasts even with some harsh truth thrown in there I still leave feeling warm and hopeful like I want to watch the next game, not cut my arm off because I have a stick in rink tattoo.

 

It's fine to criticize the team and point out legitimate concerns but the media here clearly bashes the team to a fault because they have nothing intelligent, forthcoming, correct, or helpful to say.

Edited December 4, 2021 by Gawdzukes

[wallstreetamigo]

10 hours ago, IBatch said:

Agree to agree lol.   We are all stakeholders in this.  I can only imagine that if we all had their backs as soon as they dawned our sweaters that they'd feel supported.   Try and work in a toxic environment and then come on this site and say things like "garbage this garbage that, fire this fire fire".     Or grow up in a family that doesn't have your back too.   Believe it or not, what we say does matter,  and as a fan we do have a stakeholder responsibility to call each other out when a line is crossed and to act responsibly.   I have read on here a lot of fans that seem to get that but also are overly harsh at the same time.   So believe that there is a basic level of understanding.    The loudest voices usually are the ones people hear unfortunately.    Just start screaming  at the arena and before you know it, everyone around you is too.  Be careful what your screaming about.  

The team doesn’t pay us, we pay them.

 

We are not their family and have no obligation to blindly support them.

 

We are fans. Being critical is just part of it when you give a $&!# about anything like fans do. 

 

If the players, coaches, and management are so distracted because they are considering the media and fan base to be a toxic work environment then get rid of all of them as they aren’t mentally strong enough to win Jack squat anyway. 

[IBatch]

6 hours ago, wallstreetamigo said:

The team doesn’t pay us, we pay them.

 

We are not their family and have no obligation to blindly support them.

 

We are fans. Being critical is just part of it when you give a $&!# about anything like fans do. 

 

If the players, coaches, and management are so distracted because they are considering the media and fan base to be a toxic work environment then get rid of all of them as they aren’t mentally strong enough to win Jack squat anyway. 

Nothing wrong with being critical, it's doing it responsibly.   Calling players like BB and EP "garbage" because they are in this slump for example.   When the line is crossed to outright hate that's a problem, and it's been outright hate to a degree around JB and TG this year - and off and on some players too - frustrations and venting i've never had a problem with, or being critical in a respectful way and i've got caught up in it before too so am no angel either (especially in my 20's).    Horvat and Miller also seem not to be immune from this ... the media helped spin that. 

 

 I agree that this for sure is going to show us what they are made of.     So far they've improved in some areas, like lowering shots without blocking them as often, and puck possession.   A lot of one goal games.   Effort seems to be there and somehow the coach hasn't lost the room yet.    I'm fine with change, starting at the top.   And actually glad nobody has been fired yet, that shows they aren't into knee jerk reactions, and taking their time to due their due diligence to find the best for whatever changes may come.   Plus for exactly what you just said - these sort of things do show what sort of character is in the room, adversity is mana for lessons and resilience's later as well.   

 

Said it enough but might as well say it one more time.   EP, BB and our PK .... three things that have put us where we are it, and yes Hamonic absolutely is part of that equation.    The fact the team has his back despite this story of Hamonic shows something about the team as well.    If 2 of those three things were on we'd be exactly where we should be, a bubble playoff team.   Garland, QHs are better then expected.   OEL for sure helped the latter to a degree.    It will take all three to claw our way back.   This is hockey, you just never know.  

 

Edit:  Also Amigo, i really don't have a problem with any poster on this site.   We've got the best and most active forum in the NHL, why we often have fans from other times pipe in (and some do their rightly duty and troll us a little - understandable too!).    We are all fans .... this topic is a good one to remind us that as stakeholders we can act a little better, and support them when they are down too.  Get that PGT are mostly about venting or cheering or whatever and don't take them too seriously after a loss or a win. 

Edited December 4, 2021 by IBatch