[Report] Canucks fire Jim Benning, name Stan Smyl as interim GM

[BlakeQuinnAndEggs]

5 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

Raymond, Ballard and a 1st

GMMG OUT GMD AGAIN

[PositionOfPower]

7 hours ago, BureBurrito said:

I do think if Gillis returns its President or bust, never GM again. I still think it's highly remote % he does return. When you do look at the leaked powerpoint for the Pittsburgh POHO job, shared that he did realize his weakness of drafting and showed a team/assistants to actually manage that player dev/drafting aspect more closely...

I bet green now realizes that he should have had a better forecheck system. Please the drafting was horrible.

[PositionOfPower]

1 hour ago, IBatch said:

Brought in sleep doctors, Erhoff and an oxygen chamber, and was good at keeping contracts down - and with all that saved money, blew the entire wad in two players that's got bought out, and in today's money would cost over 6 million each.. in Booth and Ballard.   Didn't trade many high picks and got a better high pick back for Schneider...a trade many hated at the time but obviously was his one and only golden moment - other then of course the sleep doctors and Erhoff.   And if anyone brings up Sundin  - it's the most ridiculous contract ever.  

Gave ntc like candy on Halloween, and took years to clean that up. And was not smart enought to trade players when there value dropped further. No thanks.

[MaxVerstappen33]

3 hours ago, DefCon1 said:

Has anyone talked about Dean Lombardi being a GM again. I know he works for Flyers but Aquaman should get him and have stan smyl as the POHO. I think Dean Lombardi is the type of GM that can put the finishing touches and he has won 2 cups with Kings already so he does have that pedigree. He is probably the most qualified for our GM job and has the best resume out there when looking at current GMs available

 

Hiring former cup winners who bounced us in the playoffs isn't a recipe for success 

[Josepho]

36 minutes ago, PositionOfPower said:

Gave ntc like candy on Halloween, and took years to clean that up. And was not smart enought to trade players when there value dropped further. No thanks.

This describes Benning way better than it does Gillis.

[IBatch]

12 minutes ago, Josepho said:

This describes Benning way better than it does Gillis.

What are you talking about?   Benning ... who do we have right now that we can't trade?  Who did Gillis leave us that we couldn't trade?   Virtually every player right down to Hansen.   Hamhuis.  The Sedins.  Burrows.  Bieksa.   It was a total country club atmosphere contract wise.   And aside from Kesler who asked to be traded to two teams only .... when did the other guys finally waive?  And guys like Edler and the Sedins had no desire to move just for a chance at the cup which is a little shameful - on their part.   That's a ridiculous statement.  

Edited December 8, 2021 by IBatch

[IBatch]

41 minutes ago, MaxVerstappen33 said:

Hiring former cup winners who bounced us in the playoffs isn't a recipe for success 

Depends who it is.   Lombardi ... not sure about him.   Always felt LA was the luckiest team to ever win a cup ... until they did it again ugh.   Terrible regular season record, but it's undeniable that he built a winner, and that PHI trade won them two cups....  Also gives every single team that makes the show hope.  Winning as an 8th seed never happened before...the they missed entirely ... then won as i think a 7th seed.    Our team isn't built anything like his teams so would pass for that reason mostly.   Shero is interesting though.   Our team is much closer to PIT then LA.   A young skilled counter-attack team.   

 

Edit: One thing we do have in common with both LA and CHI this year at least, is we are for the first time in forever, a top 5 possession team.   That's it though.  We aren't big and certainly not tough.   Both Shero and Lombardi knew that is part of playoffs success.  Guerin and Roberts great adds.    

Edited December 8, 2021 by IBatch

[wai_lai416]

9 hours ago, PositionOfPower said:

Yes under Gillis we never found a later 1st round gem or a later round gem no one graduated from the draft to becoming NHLers either for our team or another team. 

 

If we want more Jensens Gaunces Sauves Hogdsons Ellingtons please get Gillis.

Well if you guys are going to give credit to players that are fringe like gaudette or players on other teams like forsling.. then connaucton and Hutton you have to give credit to too no? Both are closing in 100 pts as a defenseman. Benning have more bust that set the team back in the 1st round than so call gems in the 1st. The #5 and 6 pick overall busting with nothing to shoe for it, and who cares about his later rounds other than demko and hoglander none of them plays for the team nor we have anything significant we traded for. Maybe we should take a look at our ahl system and not the draft picks themselves. It seems vancouver never ever were able to develop anything in the ahl level almost ever. They put more emphasis on winning than player development down there it seems so maybe it's not the player we drafted being the problem... maybe it's our ahl team in general thats the problem. 

[appleboy]

One of Jim's biggest mistakes was firing Gilman. Gilman has the skill set that Jim lacked. He understood the cap and was involved in the contracts. Gilman has never been a GM so it is not like they would going back to something that has been tried. 

I think we could do without Gillis. 

 

Smyl as president and Gilman as GM.  Gilman could hire his own assistant.

 

Gilman is smart and articulate. You know, you know , you know, you know , you know.

[IBatch]

5 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

Well if you guys are going to give credit to players that are fringe like gaudette or players on other teams like forsling.. then connaucton and Hutton you have to give credit to too no? Both are closing in 100 pts as a defenseman. Benning have more bust that set the team back in the 1st round than so call gems in the 1st. The #5 and 6 pick overall busting with nothing to shoe for it, and who cares about his later rounds other than demko and hoglander none of them plays for the team nor we have anything significant we traded for. Maybe we should take a look at our ahl system and not the draft picks themselves. It seems vancouver never ever were able to develop anything in the ahl level almost ever. They put more emphasis on winning than player development down there it seems so maybe it's not the player we drafted being the problem... maybe it's our ahl team in general thats the problem. 

Lol.  Our AHL "system" had both Markstrom and Demko in it didn't it?  And when your best picks are in the NCAA or the SHL those are also developmental systems.   The AHL hasn't been the primo system for a long time.   KHL is one too.  I do agree that we whiffed on a fair number of our fringe players as in letting them go - and that Hutton is always included in MG "successes"... Forlsing ouch.   About the same neither play for us.  

Edited December 8, 2021 by IBatch

[wai_lai416]

1 minute ago, IBatch said:

Lol.  Our AHL "system" had both Markstrom and Demko in it didn't it?  And when your best picks are in the NCAA or the SHL those are also developmental systems.   The AHL hasn't been the primo system for a long time.   KHL is one too. 

Goalies are different..  they literally play every game and don't habe to worry about ice time no?

[IBatch]

Just now, wai_lai416 said:

Goalies are different..  they literally play every game and don't habe to worry about ice time no?

Sure.  Guess they don't count in our AHL system.   Neither did Dahlen, McEwen, Lind, Jonah G ... oh wait where do they play for now?  

[PositionOfPower]

13 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

Well if you guys are going to give credit to players that are fringe like gaudette or players on other teams like forsling.. then connaucton and Hutton you have to give credit to too no? Both are closing in 100 pts as a defenseman. Benning have more bust that set the team back in the 1st round than so call gems in the 1st. The #5 and 6 pick overall busting with nothing to shoe for it, and who cares about his later rounds other than demko and hoglander none of them plays for the team nor we have anything significant we traded for. Maybe we should take a look at our ahl system and not the draft picks themselves. It seems vancouver never ever were able to develop anything in the ahl level almost ever. They put more emphasis on winning than player development down there it seems so maybe it's not the player we drafted being the problem... maybe it's our ahl team in general thats the problem. 

No hogz podz did not even need ahl so your theory on ahl being the problem is wrong. Where is schroeder at where is cassels at where is hodgson at where is mallet at where is jensen at too many way too many waste of picks. Only horvat and fringe hutton and barely played for us connauton okay vs petey hughes boeser (did not need ahl) demko hoglander (did not need ahl) podkolzin (did not need ahl) forsling lind gadjovich gaudette (did not need ahl) okay. Mcdonaugh Forsell Costmar Lockwood Jurmo look promising.

 

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by PositionOfPower

[IBatch]

7 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

Goalies are different..  they literally play every game and don't habe to worry about ice time no?

I've seen some of our guys play in the AHL during the Utica days.   OJ too.   But i see zero point in comparing MG drafting to Bennings.  The two are so far apart it's ridiculous to defend MG at all.  There is a way to balance it all out based on ADP or average drafting position.  Benning was always on the positive side of the ledger - always in any four year period, and MG was always, every time, over six drafts, in the negative side of the ledger.   Thankfully we have some assets to work with now.  

 

JB drafting around 10 on average, drafted like we had the 5-6 overall every year.  MG drafted like he had around 28-30 every year.   When JB took over, aside from Horvat and Hutton he had nothing else.   Nothing.   It was worse then an expansion team under the old rules, at least they were given a top pick to start with.   How long did it take Atlanta and CLB to get somewhere?  Rick Nash and Heatley were excellent players.  A lot better then Horvat. 

Edited December 8, 2021 by IBatch

[wai_lai416]

2 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Sure.  Guess they don't count in our AHL system.   Neither did Dahlen, McEwen, Lind, Jonah G ... oh wait where do they play for now?  

really? dahlen's development is coz of the AHL? you might as well give every player that played a game or 2 in the AHL credit. kole lind? the guy that we were gushing on that couldn't even make the kraken's sorry roster? McEwen his 1 poing -10 in 20+ game? or gadjovich his 1 point -6 in 14/15 games? you guys are giving way too much credit for these fringe NHLers or Dahlen who literally have nothing to do with the utica system. Lind McEwen Gadjovich are at best depth call ups on a decent competitive NHL team and might have a regular spot on a bottom feeding team just because there's 0 talents or players on those teams.

[wai_lai416]

5 minutes ago, PositionOfPower said:

No hogz podz did not even need ahl so your theory on ahl being the problem is wrong. Where is schroeder at where is cassels at where is hodgson at where is mallet at where is jensen at too many way too many waste of picks. Only horvat and fringe hutton and barely played for us connauton okay vs petey hughes boeser (did not need ahl) demko hoglander (did not need ahl) podkolzin (did not need ahl) forsling lind gadjovich gaudette (did not need ahl) okay. Mcdonaugh Forsell Costmar Lockwood Jurmo look promising.

 

 

so you are comparing a bunch of top 10 picks to a bunch of 20+ picks? sorry hodgson was actually decent but he had attitude problems and AV/medical staff ruined him so to pin that on Gillis saying he's a bad pick? Benning 2nd rounders 3rd rounders were all at the beginning of the rounds.. Gillis 2nd rounders are almost in the late 50s like are we really trying to compare a mid 30 pick to a mid 50 picks??

[IBatch]

2 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

really? dahlen's development is coz of the AHL? you might as well give every player that played a game or 2 in the AHL credit. kole lind? the guy that we were gushing on that couldn't even make the kraken's sorry roster? McEwen his 1 poing -10 in 20+ game? or gadjovich his 1 point -6 in 14/15 games? you guys are giving way too much credit for these fringe NHLers or Dahlen who literally have nothing to do with the utica system. Lind McEwen Gadjovich are at best depth call ups on a decent competitive NHL team and might have a regular spot on a bottom feeding team just because there's 0 talents or players on those teams.

Ok.  What is your point exactly.   Maybe i'm confused.   Wasn't this a comp between MG and JB?  

[PositionOfPower]

3 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

so you are comparing a bunch of top 10 picks to a bunch of 20+ picks? sorry hodgson was actually decent but he had attitude problems and AV/medical staff ruined him so to pin that on Gillis saying he's a bad pick? Benning 2nd rounders 3rd rounders were all at the beginning of the rounds.. Gillis 2nd rounders are almost in the late 50s like are we really trying to compare a mid 30 pick to a mid 50 picks??

Part of drafting is figuring out the character of the player thats why they do interviews buddy. So the blame does in fact go to Gillis and his incompetent scouting staff. 

 

How come canucks late first picks su** under gillis and 2nd round picks under benning do good then? 

 

I aint a fan of both regimes btw.

Edited December 8, 2021 by PositionOfPower

[wai_lai416]

9 minutes ago, IBatch said:

I've seen some of our guys play in the AHL during the Utica days.   OJ too.   But i see zero point in comparing MG drafting to Bennings.  The two are so far apart it's ridiculous to defend MG at all.  There is a way to balance it all out based on ADP or average drafting position.  Benning was always on the positive side of the ledger - always in any four year period, and MG was always, every time, over six drafts, in the negative side of the ledger.   Thankfully we have some assets to work with now.  

 

JB drafting around 10 on average, drafted like we had the 5-6 overall every year.  MG drafted like he had around 28-30 every year.   When JB took over, aside from Horvat and Hutton he had nothing else.   Nothing.   It was worse then an expansion team under the old rules, at least they were given a top pick to start with.   How long did it take Atlanta and CLB to get somewhere?  Rick Nash and Heatley were excellent players.  A lot better then Horvat. 

no i'm not defending gillis picks as i would agree it was bad overall what i'm trying to say is you guys give way too much credit for Benning's pick considering how high he have picked in his tenure and how many high end bust he ended with and how he given up on most of the players that ended up OK nhler for other teams and gotten nothing out of it.

[MaxVerstappen33]

23 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

Well if you guys are going to give credit to players that are fringe like gaudette or players on other teams like forsling.. then connaucton and Hutton you have to give credit to too no? Both are closing in 100 pts as a defenseman. Benning have more bust that set the team back in the 1st round than so call gems in the 1st. The #5 and 6 pick overall busting with nothing to shoe for it, and who cares about his later rounds other than demko and hoglander none of them plays for the team nor we have anything significant we traded for. Maybe we should take a look at our ahl system and not the draft picks themselves. It seems vancouver never ever were able to develop anything in the ahl level almost ever. They put more emphasis on winning than player development down there it seems so maybe it's not the player we drafted being the problem... maybe it's our ahl team in general thats the problem. 

We could have claimed Conauton this year or was it 2020...

 

I don't know why its taboo to bring players back in that you moved on from. It doesn't seem to happen that much. It the  value is there , it should be done