Wanless Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 8 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: He's gone back to NHL 04 style where you play a playmaker, a shooter and a gritty forward together for the best chemistry and it works. I've always said it seems to be a common trend amongst top, elite teams in the playoffs because you need all those qualities on the ice to have success. You need a gritty guy to retrieve pucks, crash along walls, defend well and provide a net front presence. Petey, Miller and Boeser worked really well in their first season together because Miller played with more grit and defensive structure back then. Now he's become a bit of a superstar so doesn't play with the same grit, which is why Pearson helps that line in more ways than most fans can see. Podz brings a bit of grit to Petey and Garland as well which is what we need, and Hoglander is quite a playmaker himself alongside a shooter Bo and shutdown/gritty guy in Dickinson. These 3 lines are causing havoc right now because all of them can defend and all of them can score and they're getting almost equal ice opportunities which is what we need. One thing about pearson is he is solid in the d zone sure he fumbles scoring opportunities, bit he is there for them hes definitely a positive to the roster 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 One thing i noticed about last night is he used the 4th line quite a lot. Good strategy to wear down a potentially tired team it seemed he would wear them down then they ice the puck then BB would put out one of the other lines a nice simple strategy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 9 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said: Anyone notice Boudreau set his lines on the first game and hasn't changed them? He doesn't need to juggle them fifty times a game... he knows what he wants and who will work together. Breakdown: Dickinson/Bo/Hoglander... this is Boudreau's primary shutdown line... Dickinson doesn't have a lot of scoring jam, but he is good defensively and can retrieve the puck. Hoglander supplies creativity/speed/backchecking for the line as well as scoring and Bo has the combination of faceoff/speed/physicality/anticipation/shooting which makes him a threat to turnover the puck and be off to the races. These guys take pride in shutting down the opposing team's big lines and taking the D-Zone starts... but they are also capable of outscoring them too. Pearson/Miller/Boeser... This line is the Canucks' "Heavy" line... all three guys have size, like to hit, and cycle well... Boeser is underrated as a physical player, he is 6' 1" and 208, the third heaviest forward on the team. (not counting Chiasson who I hope is gone) He is also a better passer than most give him credit for and he and Miller are building on their chemistry. Pearson is a solid player who also hits and cycles and who has a good eye for deflections and is a net front presence. This line is the most capable on the Canucks' of playing a dump and chase/cycle game... but they also have the passing skills and enough speed, (especially Miller) to take advantages of opportunities on the rush. Boeser is now playing where he should have been from the start... not on the left boards or at the point, but right in the center of the ice inside the hash marks. This is his perfect range. This could be called Boudreau's #1 line... but really there is no #1... just three lines which all present different threats. Podkolzin/Pettersson/Garland... This is the Canucks' "Speed line"... all three players are capable of playing at high speed and using short passes to give their line mates shooting chances... both Pettersson and Garland love to shoot, Podkolzin too, but he also likes to take it to the net and cause havoc. This line works best on the rush... but Garland and Podkolzin and to a limited extent Pettersson, can also retrieve the puck... but he is generally better waiting in the high slot. This line is potentially the highest scoring line... but it is also the line which will take the most time for the players to get used to each other's moves and timing. But they are getting better all the time and Boudreau is allowing them the time to improve. Lamikko/Motte/Dowling... The 'Energy' line... Motte makes everyone with him better... it is too bad he doesn't have as high quality players as he deserves, but Lamikko/Dowling are capable enough when their time is limited. Against Carolina they had their best game and if they can continue to play that way, a lot of the Canucks' problems will be solved. With the exception of the 4th line, which had Chiasson on it till the game against Carolina, these lines have been stable. Boudreau is confident enough in his decision making that he doesn't need to immediately start juggling lines as soon as one player makes a mistake. Boudreau understands it takes time to build Chemistry and you have to give the players the opportunity to jell. I think that is a good assessment however you could look at it differently Energy Line - agree the top 3 lines are actually similar Dicky/Pearson/Podz are your grinders/ puck retrievers/hitters Hoggy/Garland/ (to a lesser extent) Boeser are shifty the 3 centers are what make the lines different, as you have pointed out when was the last time the Canucks ran the same 4 lines for 4 games in a row, Chiasson / Dowling noted as the exception? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 6 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: Great points ! Ìnteresting, to see the difference between the two coaches: someone who understands & knows how to win in the NHL vs someone who only plays the role of an NHL coach - a poser - cause I don't need to see, any [fancy] stats to tell me, that the same roster that was struggling 5 games ago, is (now) playing with more urgency & structure - hence, winning. In the end, Greens' inability to fix the situation - only proves, that he should had been fired long time ago. Imo, Greens' insecurity & cluelessness, showed in how he coached the team on & off the ice - he only got more rigid vs Boudreau, who from day one, gave the players more leash, to fix there confidence. JB gambled with Green, by giving him an extension & deeper roster; and Green repaid him with mediocrity. Willie twitched Green Juggled (which is just like twitching except you're twitching the line up) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, lmm said: Willie twitched Green Juggled (which is just like twitching except you're twitching the line up) Then there are people who juggle on Twitch. God, Green was so bad. The fact that Jake had played his entire career under TG makes me wonder though if Jake could've developed differently. (As a player). Not so sure about him as a person. Edited December 13, 2021 by Dazzle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 10 hours ago, 250Integra said: Green: Vs Boudreau: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Then there are people who juggle on Twitch. God, Green was so bad. The fact that Jake had played his entire career under TG makes me wonder though if Jake could've developed differently. (As a player). Not so sure about him as a person. Another question, to add to the list of unsolved mystery in the previous era: the reason for Greens' extension, why Schmidt left and (now) how JV would had developed ? Imo, JV had the wrong people around him, off the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Battlemonger said: Sutter back centering the forth line would just solidify it all, I'm thinking. Do your research, on long haul covid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 If there's a trade to be made, it would be for a 4C. It's a real luxury having Petey, Bo, and Miller down the middle. Just need a 4C since Sutter is unlikely to return. I'm actually impressed with our D so far too. I assume Shaw has been given much more freedom to work with the D under Boudreau. Schenn has looked really solid next to Hughes which makes our RHD situation a bit better. Need Hamonic to play more, and we should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyotasfan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 If only we could improve the 4th line , get Sutter back and a bigger body on the opposite wing as Motte. Dowling, Lamiko, Chiason, and Highmore are all pretty expendable/ interchangeable plugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 12 hours ago, 250Integra said: And here we had Green doing this every game when his lines don’t have the puck for more than a minute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: Vs Boudreau: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, IBatch said: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Zhukini said: Another one? Yup cant get enough of BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 13 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said: Anyone notice Boudreau set his lines on the first game and hasn't changed them? He doesn't need to juggle them fifty times a game... he knows what he wants and who will work together. Breakdown: Dickinson/Bo/Hoglander... this is Boudreau's primary shutdown line... Dickinson doesn't have a lot of scoring jam, but he is good defensively and can retrieve the puck. Hoglander supplies creativity/speed/backchecking for the line as well as scoring and Bo has the combination of faceoff/speed/physicality/anticipation/shooting which makes him a threat to turnover the puck and be off to the races. These guys take pride in shutting down the opposing team's big lines and taking the D-Zone starts... but they are also capable of outscoring them too. Pearson/Miller/Boeser... This line is the Canucks' "Heavy" line... all three guys have size, like to hit, and cycle well... Boeser is underrated as a physical player, he is 6' 1" and 208, the third heaviest forward on the team. (not counting Chiasson who I hope is gone) He is also a better passer than most give him credit for and he and Miller are building on their chemistry. Pearson is a solid player who also hits and cycles and who has a good eye for deflections and is a net front presence. This line is the most capable on the Canucks' of playing a dump and chase/cycle game... but they also have the passing skills and enough speed, (especially Miller) to take advantages of opportunities on the rush. Boeser is now playing where he should have been from the start... not on the left boards or at the point, but right in the center of the ice inside the hash marks. This is his perfect range. This could be called Boudreau's #1 line... but really there is no #1... just three lines which all present different threats. Podkolzin/Pettersson/Garland... This is the Canucks' "Speed line"... all three players are capable of playing at high speed and using short passes to give their line mates shooting chances... both Pettersson and Garland love to shoot, Podkolzin too, but he also likes to take it to the net and cause havoc. This line works best on the rush... but Garland and Podkolzin and to a limited extent Pettersson, can also retrieve the puck... but he is generally better waiting in the high slot. This line is potentially the highest scoring line... but it is also the line which will take the most time for the players to get used to each other's moves and timing. But they are getting better all the time and Boudreau is allowing them the time to improve. Lamikko/Motte/Dowling... The 'Energy' line... Motte makes everyone with him better... it is too bad he doesn't have as high quality players as he deserves, but Lamikko/Dowling are capable enough when their time is limited. Against Carolina they had their best game and if they can continue to play that way, a lot of the Canucks' problems will be solved. With the exception of the 4th line, which had Chiasson on it till the game against Carolina, these lines have been stable. Boudreau is confident enough in his decision making that he doesn't need to immediately start juggling lines as soon as one player makes a mistake. Boudreau understands it takes time to build Chemistry and you have to give the players the opportunity to jell. Great summary Funny how BB has split up Pearson and Horvat and they are doing fine. I would love to see a 4th line of Motte Lammiko and Lockwood. If expectations are 100% energy in 30 second shifts, these 3 would drive other teams crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksJay Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Toyotasfan said: If only we could improve the 4th line , get Sutter back and a bigger body on the opposite wing as Motte. Dowling, Lamiko, Chiason, and Highmore are all pretty expendable/ interchangeable plugs. I would love to see Lockwood playing with energy on Motte's offwing ppl wrote off our prospects Look at Chatfield yesterday lol. He looked fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Wanless said: One thing i noticed about last night is he used the 4th line quite a lot. Good strategy to wear down a potentially tired team it seemed he would wear them down then they ice the puck then BB would put out one of the other lines a nice simple strategy Even better now that they have an actual purpose and aren't just a random assortment of guys who can't play higher up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 12 hours ago, King Heffy said: In the podcast he did with Russo he did say he prefers to not juggle the lines in order to develop chemistry. ahh ok that confirms it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Dickinson is killing that line offensively. Wish Bruce would try Motte up to that line and move Dickinson down to the 4th line. With Motte we’ve seen a little more on the offensive side in the past. I think he’d contribute more on that line with Horvat and Hoglander. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlemonger Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: Do your research, on long haul covid Yeah, that seems to refuse to jump in my bucket list. Or I kick it out. One of the two. Edited December 14, 2021 by Battlemonger spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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