[Proposal] Strength on LHD (RHD compliments)

[HKSR]

So seeing the writing on the wall, it sounds like one of Boeser, Miller, and Bo will need to be moved sooner or later.

 

I'm completely against moving Bo or Miller.  Both are centres.  Both of them are the type of players you win Cups with -- strong on the puck, offensively capable, strong defensively, can play PK and PP, etc.

 

So that leaves Boeser.  Would love to keep him, but when he isn't scoring, he isn't doing much else to help the team.

 

So here is my proposal:

 

To VAN:

Jakob Chychrun

Phil Kessel (50% retained) -- negative value IMO

2023 3rd Round Pick (conditional becomes 2nd Round Pick if Boeser scores 35 goals or more)

 

To ARZ:

Brock Boeser

Jack Rathbone

 

VAN does this to acquire Chychrun to make the Canucks LHD the strongest trio in the league.  The Canucks are buying relatively low here as Chychrun is having a bad year without the sheltering of OEL.  In Vancouver, he would be sheltered by both OEL and Hughes.  He should absolutely flourish playing a lesser role.  Chychrun is also signed relatively long term on a really cap friendly $4.6M AAV.  Kessel fills in for Boeser this year, and inevitably would walk as a UFA. 

 

ARZ does this to acquire 2 young pieces to add to their infinite rebuild.  We all know what Brock is capable of, and with Chychrun gone, Rathbone can step in and grow with their young team.  They also unload Kessel since nobody seems to want him now anyways lol.

 

The acquisition of Chychrun gives the Canucks the ability to always have an exceptionally skilled LHD on the ice throughout the entire game. 

 

OEL Myers

Hughes Schenn

Chychrun Poolman

 

Here is what the future would then look like in terms of cap (I assumed a +$1M cap limit increase each year).  It means we could keep Horvat and Miller even if they wanted $7.5M and $8M AAV respectively.  Hogs and Podz would get big raises to $4M AAV each as well.  Petey would inevitably get his huge deal at $8.5M AAV in a couple years.

 

[VegasCanuck]

9 minutes ago, HKSR said:

So seeing the writing on the wall, it sounds like one of Boeser, Miller, and Bo will need to be moved sooner or later.

 

I'm completely against moving Bo or Miller.  Both are centres.  Both of them are the type of players you win Cups with -- strong on the puck, offensively capable, strong defensively, can play PK and PP, etc.

 

So that leaves Boeser.  Would love to keep him, but when he isn't scoring, he isn't doing much else to help the team.

 

So here is my proposal:

 

To VAN:

Jakob Chychrun

Phil Kessel (50% retained) -- negative value IMO

2023 3rd Round Pick (conditional becomes 2nd Round Pick if Boeser scores 35 goals or more)

 

To ARZ:

Brock Boeser

Jack Rathbone

 

VAN does this to acquire Chychrun to make the Canucks LHD the strongest trio in the league.  The Canucks are buying relatively low here as Chychrun is having a bad year without the sheltering of OEL.  In Vancouver, he would be sheltered by both OEL and Hughes.  He should absolutely flourish playing a lesser role.  Chychrun is also signed relatively long term on a really cap friendly $4.6M AAV.  Kessel fills in for Boeser this year, and inevitably would walk as a UFA. 

 

ARZ does this to acquire 2 young pieces to add to their infinite rebuild.  We all know what Brock is capable of, and with Chychrun gone, Rathbone can step in and grow with their young team.  They also unload Kessel since nobody seems to want him now anyways lol.

 

The acquisition of Chychrun gives the Canucks the ability to always have an exceptionally skilled LHD on the ice throughout the entire game. 

 

OEL Myers

Hughes Schenn

Chychrun Poolman

 

Here is what the future would then look like in terms of cap (I assumed a +$1M cap limit increase each year).  It means we could keep Horvat and Miller even if they wanted $7.5M and $8M AAV respectively.  Hogs and Podz would get big raises to $4M AAV each as well.  Petey would inevitably get his huge deal at $8.5M AAV in a couple years.

 

Writing on which wall? I'm not saying that we won't make changes, but what exactly are you basing the need to do this on? Cap space? We have lots, unless you're media who are constantly trying to figure out how to keep people reading. Based on something Rutherford said? Have only heard him say that he wants to observe and get to know the players and needs before making any decisions about trades.

 

So,. again, what are you basing this need on?

[qwijibo]

Chychrun has been deemed untouchable. In Arizona.  Also, Kessel at 50% retention isn’t a negative value asset. 

[HKSR]

23 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Writing on which wall? I'm not saying that we won't make changes, but what exactly are you basing the need to do this on? Cap space? We have lots, unless you're media who are constantly trying to figure out how to keep people reading. Based on something Rutherford said? Have only heard him say that he wants to observe and get to know the players and needs before making any decisions about trades.

 

So,. again, what are you basing this need on?

Just pure numbers.  If we wanna see an improvement on D, the forward group can't eat up that much cap.  Once Hogs and Podz get raises along with Boeser, Bo, and Miller, there's nothing left for defensive upgrades.

[HKSR]

16 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Chychrun has been deemed untouchable. In Arizona.  Also, Kessel at 50% retention isn’t a negative value asset. 

Kessel has 4 goals in 27 games.  At 50% he'd still be a $3.4M hit.

[VegasCanuck]

Just now, HKSR said:

Just pure numbers.  If we wanna see an improvement on D, the forward group can't eat up that much cap.  Once Hogs and Podz get raises along with Boeser, Bo, and Miller, there's nothing left for defensive upgrades.

So, not disagreeing with you that in trying to fix and improve our defense, the Right Wing is where we have the most depth to draw from in trades, but I also wouldn't say that it's a foregone conclusion either, that we would look to trade someone on the scale of Boeser, although I have proposed in past, due to depth, that he would be the most likely trade chip, since Klimovich is also Right wing and could slot in within a couple of years.

 

That said, we have the cap space to make the changes necessary. Looking at where we are at right now, I think it's more likely that we look at trading Myers at the deadline, for younger defensive players and that we run with Hughes and OEL as our cornerstones on contract costs moving forward.

 

I just created a new topic for Cap discussions through 2024/25, take a look as I breakdown exactly what I think core salaries will be for some of these guys as we move into that season.

 

Please keep in mind that the NHL is now forecasting that the players could have repaid their debt to the owners from Covid as early as the start of 2023/24 season, which would result in a windfall increase to the cap of around 5 million +, based on NHL projected numbers.

[qwijibo]

4 minutes ago, HKSR said:

Kessel has 4 goals in 27 games.  At 50% he'd still be a $3.4M hit.

He also has 15 points in 27 on a team that sold off almost every decent asset.  Last season he had 43 points in 56 games.  At $3.4m he may not return a bounty but he’ll be movable without being considered a negative asset. 

[singing chef]

Not opposed to the philosophy, however this trade puts us top-heavy on LHD with Hughes, OEL and Chychrun.  If you could pattern a similar trade for a RHD of similar pedigree I'd be interested.

 

Cheers. 

[Elias Pettersson]

Which wall is this writing on?  I can't seem to find it...

[khay]

I feel like Chychrun is an overkill for a 3LD. Not a bad idea to have 3 strong LDs. And we certainly could use an LD to help with PK (although now that Hughes is killing it, maybe it's not an urgent need anymore).

 

At the end of the day, there are 60 + 5 minutes to be played in the regular season. And in the playoffs, Hughes and OEL will each get 25+ minutes. 

 

If we are trading Boeser, I would like us to acquire a long term solution for top 4RHD position.

 

[Comeback_Kings]

I'd like to see a player like Ben Chiarot in the 3LD spot.  Think MTL would take Pearson straight across to reunite him with Tofolli :-?

[qwijibo]

9 minutes ago, Comeback_Kings said:

I'd like to see a player like Ben Chiarot in the 3LD spot.  Think MTL would take Pearson straight across to reunite him with Tofolli :-?

Not a chance.  Montreal is rebuilding.  They can likely gets 1st or equivalent value for Chiarot. 

[HKSR]

2010-11 Canucks LHD...

 

Hamhuis

Edler

Ehrhoff

 

Just saying....

[Junkyard Dog]

13 minutes ago, HKSR said:

2010-11 Canucks LHD...

 

Hamhuis

Edler

Ehrhoff

 

Just saying....

Ehrhoff played the right side with Edler.

[Comeback_Kings]

39 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Not a chance.  Montreal is rebuilding.  They can likely gets 1st or equivalent value for Chiarot. 

Yeah, I know, meant it as a joke really.  Pearson and Chiarot are paid the same.  Imagine signing a UFA that helps take you to the final then turns out to be worth a 1st. 

 

All JB had to do was log on to this forum to know that re-signing Pearson at that kind of money was going to be a mistake.  

[Elias Pettersson]

2 hours ago, HKSR said:

2010-11 Canucks LHD...

 

Hamhuis

Edler

Ehrhoff

 

Just saying....

Edler         Ehrhoff

Hamhuis   Bieksa

Ballard      Salo

Rome

 

Lots of skill but not enough bite to win a Cup.  They let Marchand run wild in the finals...

[mll]

All of media constantly insist that the only player deemed completed untouchable in Arizona is Chychrun.  

 

As Armstrong admitted they are tanking.  They want to get as many draft picks and as quickly as possible to build that thing up quickly.  Their most important adds have been in the amateur scouting department - notably added Tampa's number 2.  

 

Don't see them giving up draft picks or being all that interested in Boeser.  He's 2 years to UFA with a 7.5M qualifying offer - ie why spend as much when they are tanking and he might not even stick around for their rebuild.  

 

Kessel is a TDL trade asset.  He only has 1M in salary - so about 250K left to be paid at the TDL.  Last season using a 3rd team to retain 25% of the cap hit cost only a 5th round pick - would be 1.7M at 75% retained.    Arizona should be able to get a decent pick towards their rebuild.

 

Edited December 14, 2021 by mll

[BigTramFan]

5 hours ago, qwijibo said:

Not a chance.  Montreal is rebuilding.  They can likely gets 1st or equivalent value for Chiarot. 

Is that the Ben Chiarot that was -16 in just 41 games last season? Or perhaps the Ben Chiarot that is -11 after 29 games this season?

[BigTramFan]

I would love to keep Boeser and Rathbone, but I agree that signing Boeser to his QO of $7.5m will put some pressure on the cap space in the next few years. It certainly wouldn't make it impossible to ice a decent roster and we could probably resign our core players, just reduces our flexibility. So it is decision time on whether he should be traded for younger, cheaper futures this TDL.

 

Rathbone is a different situation, it's not his cap hit, it's whether we have the room on our roster for another smallish offense orientated Dman. I like Jack but a bigger 2-way LD that can PK on our 3rd pairing would balance the team better. He could be a useful trade piece and it might be better for his career than being stuck behind OEL and Hughes.

[qwijibo]

1 hour ago, BigTramFan said:

Is that the Ben Chiarot that was -16 in just 41 games last season? Or perhaps the Ben Chiarot that is -11 after 29 games this season?

It’s the Ben Chiarot that pretty much  every insider says will be traded for a 1st and who currently sits atop TSN’s trade board.  But by all means use +\- as a measure of his worth.  Lol.